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Regarding notability: Fisher has now been the subject of coverage in most major UK papers. I believe this goes well beyond BLP1E: a leader's senior aide and head of policy being suspended from the party at the request of other party members is probably unprecedented. -- Impsswoon ( talk) 04:51, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved to Andrew Fisher (political activist), which seemed to get an agreement. Let me know if you think it worth reopening to see if "British" is necessary. Jenks24 ( talk) 06:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Andrew Fisher (Labour activist) →
Andrew Fisher (British political activist) (or
Andrew Fisher (political activist) if preferred) – The reason for his notability is his relationship with the Labour Party - but, as I understand it, he is not a member of the Labour Party currently, and it is therefore inappropriate to describe him as a "Labour activist". Hence, the article should be moved. This may be contentious, so I'm allowing the opportunity for discussion.
Ghmyrtle (
talk)
12:08, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support, although strictly speaking we don't need to define his nationality because we don't have articles on any similarly named political activists. This is Paul ( talk) 14:47, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- OK, alt now added. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 15:12, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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Not seeing an long term notability, anyone got a good reason not to nominate to delete? Govindaharihari ( talk) 14:28, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Did you see the first thread on this page? My view is that it would be, at best, premature to delete. Currently, he is the subject of a large number of news articles in reliable sources -
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4],
[5], etc. etc. He has been the subject of news reports for several weeks -
[6],
[7], etc. Until the current situation is resolved and settles down, he and his background will remain a focus of interest and news reports, which
may in turn impact on Corbyn's leadership. Therefore, the article should remain, be renamed as I proposed above, and be expanded, rather than deleted.
Ghmyrtle (
talk)
14:36, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- I'd also hold off from AFD-ing this for now until we see what happens, and until we can establish if he is notable for anything else. It's a shame articles of this nature often seem to appear when there's controversy of some description, and that becomes the dominant aspect of it.
This is Paul (
talk)
14:53, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- its a current news notability - I will wait and nominate later
Govindaharihari (
talk)
15:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Do we know what else he's done in terms of a public profile?
This is Paul (
talk)
15:05, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- nothing at all
Govindaharihari (
talk)
15:09, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Well I suppose being Labour's head of policy (if, indeed, that is/was his role) may get this past
WP:GNG, but we probably need to establish his job title. He must also have a background that we could add (academia, other political roles, etc). Surely Corbyn wouldn't have appointed him without some credentials.
This is Paul (
talk)
15:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- He is not Labour's head of policy - he is a "senior" (?) policy adviser to Corbyn.
Ghmyrtle (
talk)
15:34, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Ah, I think I may have meant Corbyn's head of policy, which is how he is currently described in the article. This is Paul ( talk) 16:01, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- He is not Labour's head of policy - he is a "senior" (?) policy adviser to Corbyn.
Ghmyrtle (
talk)
15:34, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Well I suppose being Labour's head of policy (if, indeed, that is/was his role) may get this past
WP:GNG, but we probably need to establish his job title. He must also have a background that we could add (academia, other political roles, etc). Surely Corbyn wouldn't have appointed him without some credentials.
This is Paul (
talk)
15:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- nothing at all
Govindaharihari (
talk)
15:09, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Do we know what else he's done in terms of a public profile?
This is Paul (
talk)
15:05, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- its a current news notability - I will wait and nominate later
Govindaharihari (
talk)
15:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- I'd also hold off from AFD-ing this for now until we see what happens, and until we can establish if he is notable for anything else. It's a shame articles of this nature often seem to appear when there's controversy of some description, and that becomes the dominant aspect of it.
This is Paul (
talk)
14:53, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- He is not notable, we'll let the press focus from today go away and when it quiets down we will delete this article. Govindaharihari ( talk) 17:53, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Well, we will nominate it for deletion at least.
This is Paul (
talk)
21:25, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- I suggest you hold off for a month or two, or it will just have to be un-deleted just as fast. I suspect this one will run and run, and it's becoming about a lot more than just Fisher himself -- there's a lot happening inside the Labour movement right now. For that reason, we can expect lots more coverage of Fisher's past political activities as the press start to get dug in; which will, ironically enough, remove any BLP1E issues. -- Impsswoon ( talk) 20:57, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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Regarding notability: Fisher has now been the subject of coverage in most major UK papers. I believe this goes well beyond BLP1E: a leader's senior aide and head of policy being suspended from the party at the request of other party members is probably unprecedented. -- Impsswoon ( talk) 04:51, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: moved to Andrew Fisher (political activist), which seemed to get an agreement. Let me know if you think it worth reopening to see if "British" is necessary. Jenks24 ( talk) 06:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Andrew Fisher (Labour activist) →
Andrew Fisher (British political activist) (or
Andrew Fisher (political activist) if preferred) – The reason for his notability is his relationship with the Labour Party - but, as I understand it, he is not a member of the Labour Party currently, and it is therefore inappropriate to describe him as a "Labour activist". Hence, the article should be moved. This may be contentious, so I'm allowing the opportunity for discussion.
Ghmyrtle (
talk)
12:08, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Support, although strictly speaking we don't need to define his nationality because we don't have articles on any similarly named political activists. This is Paul ( talk) 14:47, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- OK, alt now added. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 15:12, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Not seeing an long term notability, anyone got a good reason not to nominate to delete? Govindaharihari ( talk) 14:28, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Did you see the first thread on this page? My view is that it would be, at best, premature to delete. Currently, he is the subject of a large number of news articles in reliable sources -
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4],
[5], etc. etc. He has been the subject of news reports for several weeks -
[6],
[7], etc. Until the current situation is resolved and settles down, he and his background will remain a focus of interest and news reports, which
may in turn impact on Corbyn's leadership. Therefore, the article should remain, be renamed as I proposed above, and be expanded, rather than deleted.
Ghmyrtle (
talk)
14:36, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- I'd also hold off from AFD-ing this for now until we see what happens, and until we can establish if he is notable for anything else. It's a shame articles of this nature often seem to appear when there's controversy of some description, and that becomes the dominant aspect of it.
This is Paul (
talk)
14:53, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- its a current news notability - I will wait and nominate later
Govindaharihari (
talk)
15:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Do we know what else he's done in terms of a public profile?
This is Paul (
talk)
15:05, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- nothing at all
Govindaharihari (
talk)
15:09, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Well I suppose being Labour's head of policy (if, indeed, that is/was his role) may get this past
WP:GNG, but we probably need to establish his job title. He must also have a background that we could add (academia, other political roles, etc). Surely Corbyn wouldn't have appointed him without some credentials.
This is Paul (
talk)
15:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- He is not Labour's head of policy - he is a "senior" (?) policy adviser to Corbyn.
Ghmyrtle (
talk)
15:34, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Ah, I think I may have meant Corbyn's head of policy, which is how he is currently described in the article. This is Paul ( talk) 16:01, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- He is not Labour's head of policy - he is a "senior" (?) policy adviser to Corbyn.
Ghmyrtle (
talk)
15:34, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Well I suppose being Labour's head of policy (if, indeed, that is/was his role) may get this past
WP:GNG, but we probably need to establish his job title. He must also have a background that we could add (academia, other political roles, etc). Surely Corbyn wouldn't have appointed him without some credentials.
This is Paul (
talk)
15:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- nothing at all
Govindaharihari (
talk)
15:09, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Do we know what else he's done in terms of a public profile?
This is Paul (
talk)
15:05, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- its a current news notability - I will wait and nominate later
Govindaharihari (
talk)
15:03, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- I'd also hold off from AFD-ing this for now until we see what happens, and until we can establish if he is notable for anything else. It's a shame articles of this nature often seem to appear when there's controversy of some description, and that becomes the dominant aspect of it.
This is Paul (
talk)
14:53, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- He is not notable, we'll let the press focus from today go away and when it quiets down we will delete this article. Govindaharihari ( talk) 17:53, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Well, we will nominate it for deletion at least.
This is Paul (
talk)
21:25, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- I suggest you hold off for a month or two, or it will just have to be un-deleted just as fast. I suspect this one will run and run, and it's becoming about a lot more than just Fisher himself -- there's a lot happening inside the Labour movement right now. For that reason, we can expect lots more coverage of Fisher's past political activities as the press start to get dug in; which will, ironically enough, remove any BLP1E issues. -- Impsswoon ( talk) 20:57, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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