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Hello,
I've now completed the good article review of this article and determined that it meets all of the Good Article Criteria, and as such I am passing it.
It is well written, well referenced, and you've clearly taken on board the comments in your peer review with regards to this. All images are used correctly in line with Wikipedia policy. The article is stable and written from a Neutral Point of View. I'm particularly happy that this article can be promoted - it's an important subject in Australia's history and the editors of this article should be proud.
Congratulations, and keep up the good work. Pursey Talk | Contribs 10:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I made a series of edits on 8 October, which were reverted wholesale by Timeshift with some odd accusation of “pushing my agenda”. My edits included changing the spelling of "Labour" to "Labor" - I acknowledge I was wrong on that score. But that still leaves the other edits. I’d like to explain these here for general discussion, with a view to having them reinserted. All comments are welcome.
(a) I changed "When Watson retired in 1907" to "When Watson resigned in 1907", because he did in fact resign the leadership, mainly due to concerns over his wife's health.
(b) I changed "Governor General Dudley" to "the Governor-General Lord Dudley". We don’t refer to our G-G’s as "Governor General Smith", and even if we did, the title "Governor-General" requires a hyphen in Australian usage (see Governor-General of Australia).
(c) "Fisher carried out many reforms in defence, constitutional matters, finance, transport and communications, and social security, achieving the vast majority of his aims in his first government, including such specifics as establishing old-age and invalid pensions, a maternity allowance and workers compensation, issuing Australia's first paper currency, forming the Royal Australian Navy, the commencement of construction for the Trans-Australian Railway, founding Canberra and establishing the government-owned Commonwealth Bank".
(d) "Fisher wanted additional Commonwealth power in additional areas."
(e) "Both were defeated with 61 percent voting 'No'. An additional six questions were asked at the 1913 referendum, on Trade and Commerce, Corporations, Industrial Matters, Trusts, Monopolies, and Railway Disputes. All six were defeated with around 51 percent voting 'No'".
(f) "At the 1910 election, Labor gained seventeen additional seats to hold a total of forty-three of the seventy-five House of Representative seats, and all eighteen Senate seats up for election to hold a total of twenty-two out of thirty-six seats, giving Fisher control of both Houses and formed Australia's first majority government, and the world's first Labour Party majority government."
(g) "... engineered a double dissolution election in an attempt to gain control of both Houses".
(h) I removed the reference to Keith Murdoch being the father of Rupert Murdoch. Rupert wasn’t even born till 1931 and is completely irrelevant to this article. If anyone clicks on Keith Murdoch’s link, they’ll discover he was Rupert’s father. That’s what links are for.
(j) France did not "award" Fisher the Legion d’Honneur. They wanted to, and sounded him out, but he declined the honour. No award was ever made.
Over. -- JackofOz 02:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Do the appendages ive added recently sound right? The clarification needs to be made that not only did they gain a majority in the lower, a first for any federal party, they also gained a majority in the upper for the first time. Timeshift 18:41, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
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10 points to anyone who can guess the issue especially on this PM page? Timeshift ( talk) 14:01, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Labour? I don't think so, in Australia.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.2.218.132 ( talk) 00:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
"the first time the Labour Party had controlled any house of a legislature; and the first time it controlled both houses of a bicameral legislature"
What does this mean exactly? A Labour Party or the ALP? Any house being state+federal or overseas? SA elected an ALP majority lower house on 2 April 1910, 11 days before the 1910 election. Timeshift ( talk) 11:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the image has disappeared? Timeshift ( talk) 10:20, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
This article has too many images for the amount of text and messes up the layout. Would anyone care to invest a bit of time fixing it up, one way or another? Timeshift ( talk) 13:01, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm a bit dubious about finding a claim that Fisher was Georgist in the first sentence of the lede, when it is not mentioned elsewhere in the article. Certainly it's not an alternative to the previous word "Australian". Did he declare himself to be a Georgist or is the citation provided stating that his views were compatible with Georgist or what? An quick online scan doesn't show the term Georgist being used for him during his lifetime but only recently. I think before putting Georgist in the lede, there needs to be some content elsewhere in the article that discusses the matter more fully in relation to policies he espoused or implemented. Kerry ( talk) 23:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
I have deleted the following as inaccurate:
The bill was introduced into the Senate on 21 July 1909 by the 3rd Deakin government by the Commonwealth Liberal Party- see Edward Millen, Vice-President of the Executive Council (21 July 1909). "Seamen's Compensation Bill" (PDF). Parliamentary Debates (Hansard). Commonwealth of Australia: Senate. pp. 1405–1413. Find bruce ( talk) 04:03, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
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Hello,
I've now completed the good article review of this article and determined that it meets all of the Good Article Criteria, and as such I am passing it.
It is well written, well referenced, and you've clearly taken on board the comments in your peer review with regards to this. All images are used correctly in line with Wikipedia policy. The article is stable and written from a Neutral Point of View. I'm particularly happy that this article can be promoted - it's an important subject in Australia's history and the editors of this article should be proud.
Congratulations, and keep up the good work. Pursey Talk | Contribs 10:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I made a series of edits on 8 October, which were reverted wholesale by Timeshift with some odd accusation of “pushing my agenda”. My edits included changing the spelling of "Labour" to "Labor" - I acknowledge I was wrong on that score. But that still leaves the other edits. I’d like to explain these here for general discussion, with a view to having them reinserted. All comments are welcome.
(a) I changed "When Watson retired in 1907" to "When Watson resigned in 1907", because he did in fact resign the leadership, mainly due to concerns over his wife's health.
(b) I changed "Governor General Dudley" to "the Governor-General Lord Dudley". We don’t refer to our G-G’s as "Governor General Smith", and even if we did, the title "Governor-General" requires a hyphen in Australian usage (see Governor-General of Australia).
(c) "Fisher carried out many reforms in defence, constitutional matters, finance, transport and communications, and social security, achieving the vast majority of his aims in his first government, including such specifics as establishing old-age and invalid pensions, a maternity allowance and workers compensation, issuing Australia's first paper currency, forming the Royal Australian Navy, the commencement of construction for the Trans-Australian Railway, founding Canberra and establishing the government-owned Commonwealth Bank".
(d) "Fisher wanted additional Commonwealth power in additional areas."
(e) "Both were defeated with 61 percent voting 'No'. An additional six questions were asked at the 1913 referendum, on Trade and Commerce, Corporations, Industrial Matters, Trusts, Monopolies, and Railway Disputes. All six were defeated with around 51 percent voting 'No'".
(f) "At the 1910 election, Labor gained seventeen additional seats to hold a total of forty-three of the seventy-five House of Representative seats, and all eighteen Senate seats up for election to hold a total of twenty-two out of thirty-six seats, giving Fisher control of both Houses and formed Australia's first majority government, and the world's first Labour Party majority government."
(g) "... engineered a double dissolution election in an attempt to gain control of both Houses".
(h) I removed the reference to Keith Murdoch being the father of Rupert Murdoch. Rupert wasn’t even born till 1931 and is completely irrelevant to this article. If anyone clicks on Keith Murdoch’s link, they’ll discover he was Rupert’s father. That’s what links are for.
(j) France did not "award" Fisher the Legion d’Honneur. They wanted to, and sounded him out, but he declined the honour. No award was ever made.
Over. -- JackofOz 02:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Do the appendages ive added recently sound right? The clarification needs to be made that not only did they gain a majority in the lower, a first for any federal party, they also gained a majority in the upper for the first time. Timeshift 18:41, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Side discussion hidden
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---|
|
10 points to anyone who can guess the issue especially on this PM page? Timeshift ( talk) 14:01, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Labour? I don't think so, in Australia.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.2.218.132 ( talk) 00:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
"the first time the Labour Party had controlled any house of a legislature; and the first time it controlled both houses of a bicameral legislature"
What does this mean exactly? A Labour Party or the ALP? Any house being state+federal or overseas? SA elected an ALP majority lower house on 2 April 1910, 11 days before the 1910 election. Timeshift ( talk) 11:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the image has disappeared? Timeshift ( talk) 10:20, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
This article has too many images for the amount of text and messes up the layout. Would anyone care to invest a bit of time fixing it up, one way or another? Timeshift ( talk) 13:01, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm a bit dubious about finding a claim that Fisher was Georgist in the first sentence of the lede, when it is not mentioned elsewhere in the article. Certainly it's not an alternative to the previous word "Australian". Did he declare himself to be a Georgist or is the citation provided stating that his views were compatible with Georgist or what? An quick online scan doesn't show the term Georgist being used for him during his lifetime but only recently. I think before putting Georgist in the lede, there needs to be some content elsewhere in the article that discusses the matter more fully in relation to policies he espoused or implemented. Kerry ( talk) 23:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
I have deleted the following as inaccurate:
The bill was introduced into the Senate on 21 July 1909 by the 3rd Deakin government by the Commonwealth Liberal Party- see Edward Millen, Vice-President of the Executive Council (21 July 1909). "Seamen's Compensation Bill" (PDF). Parliamentary Debates (Hansard). Commonwealth of Australia: Senate. pp. 1405–1413. Find bruce ( talk) 04:03, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
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