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Is it worth while mentioning the possible influence of Barbara Kruger's work on the OBEY posters/stencils? This article here http://www.loudpapermag.com/article.php?id=10 mentions her influence on Fairey.-- Bumhoolery 06:14, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
I still don't get what the entire "Andre the Giant Has a Posse" is all about. Someone please give me a satisfying answer. Why did they choose Andre for this pop culture Icon? Because he was a giant? What do they mean by posse? Where they fans of the Wrestler?
I find it frustrating that this icon has become so popular yet no one can explain what the hell it even has to do with any foundation in logic. — Preceding
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The Batman factoid bothers me because the film came out in 1989, the same year cited in the creation of the meme. I've also reviewed the Batplane scene and saw no Giant faces on any buildings. I'm not deleting the mention of Batman in the entry because I might be missing something, but it is very unlikely that the meme would be in a blockbuster film shot in England the same year it was created by students in Rhode Island.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.226.205.83 ( talk) 22:11, 19 September 2005
The 2 following blue-box enclosed 'graphs were originally placed by their creator at the top of the page, and this
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separated them from the (then) following (but earlier-contributed), signed, single-'graph contrib for which i've now retrofitted the section heading "
(Kruger/Fairey)". A colleague, presumably hoping to clean up, had ditched that rule and moved those 'graphs below the 'graph (but above the (until then accurate) sig provided by
User:Bumhoolery. For the benefit of anyone who may have taken it at face value when they last looked at this talk page, i struck thru, but left in place, the misleading instance of that sig (in addition to putting a "clean" one back following the contrib it really applies to).
While the indentation of
199x's whole first 'graph may reflect their misunderstanding of wiki formatting, i have, for what it may be worth, preserved their markup and its effect, as follows:
Titan Sports (formerly Capitol Sports, now WWFE) is the former WWF's parent company and legal entity, whereas "WWF" is a product name or brand. Titan Sports'/WWFE's "WWF" could no more sue someone than Ford's "Taurus" could. Additionally, "WWF" is its own entity, being the World Wildlife Foundation.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.202.198 ( talk) 20:16, 8 October 2005
Someone include a list of cities where this is found?— Preceding unsigned comment added by VarunRajendran ( talk • contribs) 09:47, 31 October 2005
"I realized that a lot of people didn't know what it was about," he explains later, during an interview at Black Market Design, the successful graphic arts firm he co-owns in San Diego. "But they liked it because they knew that the conservative people hated it. Initially, I wanted to elevate Andre out of the wrestling subculture to be on par with more mainstream cultural icons. That was the coup -- to raise Andre out of a subculture he should be embedded in."
"Even my very first print ad in 1992 was a picture of Elvis with 'Big' underneath and then a picture of Andre with the word 'Giant.' So it was saying that Andre is bigger than Elvis. I also did a shirt called 'The Famous Dead People Shirt,' which was a grid of nine people with Marilyn Monroe, James Dean, Jim Morrison, Bob Marley, Sid Vicious and Andre the last one in the corner."
source: http://www.salon.com/people/feature/2000/06/22/fairey/
Seeing as how I am regularly listed on this page, I check back on it now and again. I am blown away by the little things that people know about this, that I thought only I knew. (And the stuff that I have to correct, but that's no surprise.)
Anyhow, Barbara Kruger should get proper credit for her influence on Shepard's work, post-'93. The original OBEY sticker is a direct nod to her work, and Kruger's work is so influential with so few people realizing it, that it deserves credit here. I seem to remember an interview where he comes out and gives her due credit.
Yep, here it is.
http://www.tlchicken.com/view_story.php?ARTid=640
"I also remember going to New York in 1990, a year after I started making the original Andre stickers, and seeing all the graffiti on the freeways, and what lengths people were going to, to get up some impressive pieces. That's one of the things that made me want to do bigger stuff. Barbara Kruger, also. Her really bold, powerful combination of images and type heavily influenced me. The idea of maximizing your communication in something you can look at for a split second."
I've added a meaning section. It's funny how the act of trying to explain something gives you an insight you didn't have before, but I don't have any inside information. I invite somebody who does to confirm my thoughts. Theinfo 04:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
What does "POSSE" means
Shouldn't the main article here be the OBEY campaign and "Andre the giant has a posse" just part of that... I mean these days, Obey is a much bigger thing...
I completely agree. Obey Giant is so much more than this one image. Shepard Fairey has created over 380 prints for the Obey Giant campaign. It is after all obeygiant.com . If we moved this to Obey Giant, or Obey, we could include so much more, including toys, clothing, prints, gallery /fine art and more.
This area is a little absurd. There are just too many. If we want to keep this, I think we should keep the major ones. This is taking up valuable space that could be used for real information. This article covers less than 1% of what Obey Giant is today.
If we want to keep this article titled "André the Giant Has a Posse", I think we need to make an new article called "Obey Giant". Obey Giant is so much more than this now. Personally I think we need to move this to "Obey Giant" and start putting information in here that covers more than just andre.
definitely overdue for a split Theinfo 04:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I have always read that the Andre the Giant Has a Posse sticker was an original design, and not necessarily a spoof of anything; however, ever since I first saw it I knew it was a coy reference to something, although I couldn't put two and two together.
Then I came across this old flyer from the 60's about Lee Harvey Oswald. I am almost certain that this was the source of the campaign, but I can't seem to find any information about the Oswald flyer. I placed a graphic of it on the main page but I would like to know if anyone can pinpoint the source of the Oswald flyer, and if the artist behind Obey Giant has ever referred to it. I suspect it's relatively obscure and the 60's were before my time so maybe an older contributer can help me out here. Thanks.
— Preceding
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Publicradio (
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I'm moving the Lee Harvey Oswald photo here, since it just seems to be just speculation that it's an inspiration. Perhaps it's just a coincidence. It's certainly an interesting find. Anyone who knows more, please chime in. -- Theinfo 14:19, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
What is this? It's not written in coherent English, and appears to have nothing to do with the content of the article. It looks like some sort of weird vandalistic attempt at self promotion.
"In Hamburg Germany the artist pop.ac formerly known as Art Collart invented 1987 art with stickers and called it Art Collé. 1999 he changed his name into pop.ac - pop.ac is also website and mantra. -"
Added a "Make Art Not War" example to the "Meaning" section, but despite the "thumb" parameter, only the large version appears. A little help anyone? (fixed--it was the "frame" attribute)
Marsh 13:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I've never heard of a tattoo schema. What is it?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.114.134.137 ( talk) 03:11, 6 November 2006
In the 2006 movie "
Little Miss Sunshine", Dwayne DOES NOT wear an Obey shirt . It is actually big brother's face from the 1956 film "1984".
86.211.8.97 18:50 -:54 (5 edits), 28 February 2007 (UTC)mar2
http://www.swarthmore.edu/NatSci/cpurrin1/evolk12/posse/chazhasaposse.htm?ID=76
If I knew how to upload the image, I'd add it to the article. I see these stickers from time to time in Los Angeles and have even seen them in San Diego. LiPollis 10:40, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
See All your base are belong to us for an acceptable (short, sourced) trivia / pop culture section. Deiz talk 14:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article just be "Andre the Giant..." not "André"? There's no accent on the stickers. -- AW 15:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I should have changed this years ago. Theinfo 18:05, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning that computer game Counter-Strike has this image selectable as one of default sprayable images?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.250.45.172 ( talk) 20:53, 23 June 2007
I dont know what happened, but it looks like someone tried to clean up the page by deleting a lot of stuff. All this is left of the appearances in culture is one thing. Why have it at all?
This article has been and still is horrible. I can understand having this article as it is.
But what about
This auricle either needs to assume the role of all of these things, OR needs to step aside and let other articles be made, and stop redirecting all the information to this one all exclusive article.
Personally, I think we need a few articles:
I know I cant just start this on y own as someone will just come back and revert it, so can someone else start this?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.195.138.162 ( talk) 15:25, 22 July 2007
"Threat of a lawsuit from Titan Sports, Inc. in 1993 spurred Fairey to stop using the trademarked name André the Giant..."
Is there a source for this alleged lawsuit? A cease & desist letter for example, or a recollection in an interview/article? I haven't been able to find anything about this – only recycled versions of the Wikipedia article. In Supply & Demand, Fairey's self-penned monologue, there isn't any mention of it; only that he was tiring of the posse sticker and wanted a more 'streamlined graphic approach' similar to that of the Constructivists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.18.55 ( talk) 15:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
This happened, too. It was '93. I was at Berkeley putting up GIANT in the SF Bay Area, Shepard and Blais and Alfred were all still in Rhode Island, lots was still being done by hand, and all the superfluous AG imagery was done away with. Everything moved to OBEY/DISOBEY. The only thing that stayed was the Original Giant (OG) sticker. What I don't know about is Titan Sports. The letter was from whoever who owned the WWF. Mongonikol ( talk) 05:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Was pretty funny from 1994 til about 1998, 1999, or so, seeing Gary ( http://www.garykarp.com) stickers, as much or more than Andre ones in San Diego, popping up everywhere.
In that period, Gary was photographed & left as stickers in many cities/states/countries, on all continents (yes, even Antarctica). Got to the point people thought Gary was out of the Andre camp. Big props to Andre and all that, but Gary was its own little big thing, that sprouted w/no prior knowledge of Andre.
Funny story: working at MTV Movie Awards, circa 1995. many A-list celebs, from Nirvana guys to Adam Sandler, to you name it, left with a Gary sticker subtly slapped on their back.
Anyway, good to see Andre's posse still going strong!
Cool that Gary still is hanging out, too, 14 years later ( http://www.myspace.com/garykarp)
Illiteral ( talk) 08:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't mean to step on anyone's toes, but Obey Giant has appeared many, many times in North American popular culture. A list with three examples including a Family Guy reference seems unfitting. (Family Guy parodies so many different aspects of pop culture, it's hardly noteworthy that Obey Giant is referenced.) Therefore, I'm deleting that section. I'd also like to see the parodies section cleaned up. I remember years ago looking at the obey site and seeing at least a few dozen different parody images. They have since been removed. -- Catch153 ( talk) 00:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
1. As many editors have noted, notable among them is July 2008
Tyrenius, "This book needs to be mentioned...")
2. This book is about the Andre, Obey, Shepard Fairey and its complete history!
3. This book has been praised by Fairey himself...see note
4. Please do not delete again...let WIKI consensus rule. "Deletion is not a WIKI policy."
Thank you -- Baby fu baby ( talk) 18:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments.
1. The experienced art editor I consulted was Tyrenius -- a WIKI editor steeped in art editing.: (cur) (last) 00:29, 16 July 2008 Tyrenius (Talk | contribs) (10,633 bytes) (this book needs to be mentioned) (undo)
2. I love your comment about further reading...
Again, you lack of arts experience and careless handling of the subject and addition is evident in your claim of the books ISBN number link: there has NEVER been an ISBN link.
Thank you again for your time. I look forward to applying your additional comment and look forward to hearing more learned comments from experienced editor knowledgable on this topic -- rather than one who can only 'delete' which is NOT a wiki policy.
-- Baby fu baby ( talk) 18:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. 1. Your "Further Reading" comment was very useful. Thank you. 2. Please give me the direct link to where it states what a Wiki account user can or cannot direct his or her attention to? 3. Please give me the direct link to where it states in Wiki where one should put ones energies? 4. As for my utter nonsense, omg, I am presuming you mean the 'notability' and 'verifiablity' links from the greatest authority on this Wiki Article, Andre the Giant: namely, Shepard Fairey, hello! Not only did I supply that direct link, but I also linked to the excellent "OBEY" wiki link. Maybe your cursor was frozen?
However, I can assure you that 'deletion' is not a wiki policy. Let me quote you Wiki policy, "If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion." In other words, get off your meaningless platitudes and find a subject you might know something about. For starters, you might learn something about 'nonsense', which, again, it appears you know nothing about but love to spout meaninglessly about.
I will edit the sentence and reinsert it the next chance I get. I look forword to your valued edits -- not deletion of the "History" of Andre the Giant.
-- Baby fu baby ( talk) 17:42, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Shepard Fairey endorses Barack Obama and has worked on his campaign. Ever since he announced his candidacy for president I've been seeing Obama stencils based on the Obey Giant springing up everywhere. I'm not sure where it would fit, since it's not a parody like the Tattoo or Palin ones because it's straight from Fairey himself. Should we have a mention of this in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.107.80.74 ( talk) 13:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
I think we should change the title of this article to "Obey Giant." That is in fact the name that Shepard has chosen, as in http://www.obeygiant.com Iconic D ( talk) 05:44, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Apologies if I dorked up adding the hangon tag. Couldn't see an explanation on here as to why the image should be deleted, and as the image is of the sticker that started the reason for this article, I'd think there should be an awfully good reason for deleting it. BrianDeacon ( talk) 05:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
I believe the article is not balanced. Many believe that the art is plagiarized. Please read this page for an example http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Obey/index.htm You don't even need to read it, just browse the images. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ciper ( talk • contribs) 07:37, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Reviewing ATGHAP page after hearing I had been "buffed", not only did I put it back, I cleaned up some other stuff. Mostly little. But one of the things that sort of irritated me is the presence BOBEY sticker. It IS indicative of the parody stuff, but there are better known parodies. What bugged me most was in reviewing the changes when it appeared, it looks as if someone was is just getting their stuff "up" by tagging the page.
Which in itself is cool but the bite itself is kind of lame. Like I said, I think there are better examples, ones that are less obscure.
Another thing that caught my eye is that the page seems looser and less informative then it had been previously. Maybe I'm mistaken but a lot of the quotes from "critics" [sic] come across as derivative and inconsequential.
People get hung up on OBEY GIANT vs ATGHAP so maybe there should be another, separate OBEY page, and one which outlines the present status of the project/experiment (ie OBEY).
Lastly, the plagiarism accusations are something that is not new per se to the work, but now that Shepard has got all this attention it seems to have picked up steam. It is one of those things that come along with all the other stuff: Fame, notoriety, longevity, perhaps even relevancy (?). In any case, since FSH is doing all the stuff by hand (exacto on rubylith of imagery; silk-screened), the accusation can certainly to be argued. My point however is that while noteworthy, it seems out of place as the lead-off for the article's main body.
Also, and possibly worthy of addition, is that the phrase, "Andre the Giant has a posse" was inspired by the Sir Mix-A-Lot track, "My Posse's On Broadway" and the idea of rap "posses" at the time (1988-89). FSH was doing a piss-take on it all, very true to his punk rock/skate rat roots in this sense. But worth recalling is that in 1989 sampling was a VERY BIG DEAL. Nearly all hip-hop artists were being accused of...plagiarism. Worth noting. Mongonikol ( talk) 20:53, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
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I cannot find how the change into "OBEY" went ('stylistically and semantically'). Can someone add that to the article? - DePiep ( talk) 21:06, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
I did not see any reference to the 1990 Buddy Cianci Billboard ad Defacement. According to a September 2019 article in obeygiant.com Shepard pasted the face of Andre The Giant over Buddy Cianci's face and replaced the word 'Cianci' with 'Andre'. This sparked media attention as Buddy Cianci was running for Mayor for a second time after being forced to step down after he was found guilty of Assault on his ex-wife's lover years earlier. Cianci still was very well liked amongst Providence residents and this caused a bit of controversy towards Shepard. [3]
I understand that some argue that this artist appropriates other work: but the section on appropriation has no examples of this at all. Instead it consists of a lawsuit claiming that another artist appropriated *his* work, followed by a vague paragraph with no evidence whatsoever. Surely someone can come up with something concrete: otherwise I would strongly urge that this section be deleted.
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Is it worth while mentioning the possible influence of Barbara Kruger's work on the OBEY posters/stencils? This article here http://www.loudpapermag.com/article.php?id=10 mentions her influence on Fairey.-- Bumhoolery 06:14, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
I still don't get what the entire "Andre the Giant Has a Posse" is all about. Someone please give me a satisfying answer. Why did they choose Andre for this pop culture Icon? Because he was a giant? What do they mean by posse? Where they fans of the Wrestler?
I find it frustrating that this icon has become so popular yet no one can explain what the hell it even has to do with any foundation in logic. — Preceding
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216.99.204.99 (
talk) 21:36, 9 September 2005
The Batman factoid bothers me because the film came out in 1989, the same year cited in the creation of the meme. I've also reviewed the Batplane scene and saw no Giant faces on any buildings. I'm not deleting the mention of Batman in the entry because I might be missing something, but it is very unlikely that the meme would be in a blockbuster film shot in England the same year it was created by students in Rhode Island.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.226.205.83 ( talk) 22:11, 19 September 2005
The 2 following blue-box enclosed 'graphs were originally placed by their creator at the top of the page, and this
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(Kruger/Fairey)". A colleague, presumably hoping to clean up, had ditched that rule and moved those 'graphs below the 'graph (but above the (until then accurate) sig provided by
User:Bumhoolery. For the benefit of anyone who may have taken it at face value when they last looked at this talk page, i struck thru, but left in place, the misleading instance of that sig (in addition to putting a "clean" one back following the contrib it really applies to).
While the indentation of
199x's whole first 'graph may reflect their misunderstanding of wiki formatting, i have, for what it may be worth, preserved their markup and its effect, as follows:
Titan Sports (formerly Capitol Sports, now WWFE) is the former WWF's parent company and legal entity, whereas "WWF" is a product name or brand. Titan Sports'/WWFE's "WWF" could no more sue someone than Ford's "Taurus" could. Additionally, "WWF" is its own entity, being the World Wildlife Foundation.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.202.198 ( talk) 20:16, 8 October 2005
Someone include a list of cities where this is found?— Preceding unsigned comment added by VarunRajendran ( talk • contribs) 09:47, 31 October 2005
"I realized that a lot of people didn't know what it was about," he explains later, during an interview at Black Market Design, the successful graphic arts firm he co-owns in San Diego. "But they liked it because they knew that the conservative people hated it. Initially, I wanted to elevate Andre out of the wrestling subculture to be on par with more mainstream cultural icons. That was the coup -- to raise Andre out of a subculture he should be embedded in."
"Even my very first print ad in 1992 was a picture of Elvis with 'Big' underneath and then a picture of Andre with the word 'Giant.' So it was saying that Andre is bigger than Elvis. I also did a shirt called 'The Famous Dead People Shirt,' which was a grid of nine people with Marilyn Monroe, James Dean, Jim Morrison, Bob Marley, Sid Vicious and Andre the last one in the corner."
source: http://www.salon.com/people/feature/2000/06/22/fairey/
Seeing as how I am regularly listed on this page, I check back on it now and again. I am blown away by the little things that people know about this, that I thought only I knew. (And the stuff that I have to correct, but that's no surprise.)
Anyhow, Barbara Kruger should get proper credit for her influence on Shepard's work, post-'93. The original OBEY sticker is a direct nod to her work, and Kruger's work is so influential with so few people realizing it, that it deserves credit here. I seem to remember an interview where he comes out and gives her due credit.
Yep, here it is.
http://www.tlchicken.com/view_story.php?ARTid=640
"I also remember going to New York in 1990, a year after I started making the original Andre stickers, and seeing all the graffiti on the freeways, and what lengths people were going to, to get up some impressive pieces. That's one of the things that made me want to do bigger stuff. Barbara Kruger, also. Her really bold, powerful combination of images and type heavily influenced me. The idea of maximizing your communication in something you can look at for a split second."
I've added a meaning section. It's funny how the act of trying to explain something gives you an insight you didn't have before, but I don't have any inside information. I invite somebody who does to confirm my thoughts. Theinfo 04:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
What does "POSSE" means
Shouldn't the main article here be the OBEY campaign and "Andre the giant has a posse" just part of that... I mean these days, Obey is a much bigger thing...
I completely agree. Obey Giant is so much more than this one image. Shepard Fairey has created over 380 prints for the Obey Giant campaign. It is after all obeygiant.com . If we moved this to Obey Giant, or Obey, we could include so much more, including toys, clothing, prints, gallery /fine art and more.
This area is a little absurd. There are just too many. If we want to keep this, I think we should keep the major ones. This is taking up valuable space that could be used for real information. This article covers less than 1% of what Obey Giant is today.
If we want to keep this article titled "André the Giant Has a Posse", I think we need to make an new article called "Obey Giant". Obey Giant is so much more than this now. Personally I think we need to move this to "Obey Giant" and start putting information in here that covers more than just andre.
definitely overdue for a split Theinfo 04:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I have always read that the Andre the Giant Has a Posse sticker was an original design, and not necessarily a spoof of anything; however, ever since I first saw it I knew it was a coy reference to something, although I couldn't put two and two together.
Then I came across this old flyer from the 60's about Lee Harvey Oswald. I am almost certain that this was the source of the campaign, but I can't seem to find any information about the Oswald flyer. I placed a graphic of it on the main page but I would like to know if anyone can pinpoint the source of the Oswald flyer, and if the artist behind Obey Giant has ever referred to it. I suspect it's relatively obscure and the 60's were before my time so maybe an older contributer can help me out here. Thanks.
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I'm moving the Lee Harvey Oswald photo here, since it just seems to be just speculation that it's an inspiration. Perhaps it's just a coincidence. It's certainly an interesting find. Anyone who knows more, please chime in. -- Theinfo 14:19, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
What is this? It's not written in coherent English, and appears to have nothing to do with the content of the article. It looks like some sort of weird vandalistic attempt at self promotion.
"In Hamburg Germany the artist pop.ac formerly known as Art Collart invented 1987 art with stickers and called it Art Collé. 1999 he changed his name into pop.ac - pop.ac is also website and mantra. -"
Added a "Make Art Not War" example to the "Meaning" section, but despite the "thumb" parameter, only the large version appears. A little help anyone? (fixed--it was the "frame" attribute)
Marsh 13:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I've never heard of a tattoo schema. What is it?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.114.134.137 ( talk) 03:11, 6 November 2006
In the 2006 movie "
Little Miss Sunshine", Dwayne DOES NOT wear an Obey shirt . It is actually big brother's face from the 1956 film "1984".
86.211.8.97 18:50 -:54 (5 edits), 28 February 2007 (UTC)mar2
http://www.swarthmore.edu/NatSci/cpurrin1/evolk12/posse/chazhasaposse.htm?ID=76
If I knew how to upload the image, I'd add it to the article. I see these stickers from time to time in Los Angeles and have even seen them in San Diego. LiPollis 10:40, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
See All your base are belong to us for an acceptable (short, sourced) trivia / pop culture section. Deiz talk 14:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't this article just be "Andre the Giant..." not "André"? There's no accent on the stickers. -- AW 15:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree. I should have changed this years ago. Theinfo 18:05, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning that computer game Counter-Strike has this image selectable as one of default sprayable images?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.250.45.172 ( talk) 20:53, 23 June 2007
I dont know what happened, but it looks like someone tried to clean up the page by deleting a lot of stuff. All this is left of the appearances in culture is one thing. Why have it at all?
This article has been and still is horrible. I can understand having this article as it is.
But what about
This auricle either needs to assume the role of all of these things, OR needs to step aside and let other articles be made, and stop redirecting all the information to this one all exclusive article.
Personally, I think we need a few articles:
I know I cant just start this on y own as someone will just come back and revert it, so can someone else start this?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.195.138.162 ( talk) 15:25, 22 July 2007
"Threat of a lawsuit from Titan Sports, Inc. in 1993 spurred Fairey to stop using the trademarked name André the Giant..."
Is there a source for this alleged lawsuit? A cease & desist letter for example, or a recollection in an interview/article? I haven't been able to find anything about this – only recycled versions of the Wikipedia article. In Supply & Demand, Fairey's self-penned monologue, there isn't any mention of it; only that he was tiring of the posse sticker and wanted a more 'streamlined graphic approach' similar to that of the Constructivists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.18.55 ( talk) 15:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
This happened, too. It was '93. I was at Berkeley putting up GIANT in the SF Bay Area, Shepard and Blais and Alfred were all still in Rhode Island, lots was still being done by hand, and all the superfluous AG imagery was done away with. Everything moved to OBEY/DISOBEY. The only thing that stayed was the Original Giant (OG) sticker. What I don't know about is Titan Sports. The letter was from whoever who owned the WWF. Mongonikol ( talk) 05:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Was pretty funny from 1994 til about 1998, 1999, or so, seeing Gary ( http://www.garykarp.com) stickers, as much or more than Andre ones in San Diego, popping up everywhere.
In that period, Gary was photographed & left as stickers in many cities/states/countries, on all continents (yes, even Antarctica). Got to the point people thought Gary was out of the Andre camp. Big props to Andre and all that, but Gary was its own little big thing, that sprouted w/no prior knowledge of Andre.
Funny story: working at MTV Movie Awards, circa 1995. many A-list celebs, from Nirvana guys to Adam Sandler, to you name it, left with a Gary sticker subtly slapped on their back.
Anyway, good to see Andre's posse still going strong!
Cool that Gary still is hanging out, too, 14 years later ( http://www.myspace.com/garykarp)
Illiteral ( talk) 08:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't mean to step on anyone's toes, but Obey Giant has appeared many, many times in North American popular culture. A list with three examples including a Family Guy reference seems unfitting. (Family Guy parodies so many different aspects of pop culture, it's hardly noteworthy that Obey Giant is referenced.) Therefore, I'm deleting that section. I'd also like to see the parodies section cleaned up. I remember years ago looking at the obey site and seeing at least a few dozen different parody images. They have since been removed. -- Catch153 ( talk) 00:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
1. As many editors have noted, notable among them is July 2008
Tyrenius, "This book needs to be mentioned...")
2. This book is about the Andre, Obey, Shepard Fairey and its complete history!
3. This book has been praised by Fairey himself...see note
4. Please do not delete again...let WIKI consensus rule. "Deletion is not a WIKI policy."
Thank you -- Baby fu baby ( talk) 18:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments.
1. The experienced art editor I consulted was Tyrenius -- a WIKI editor steeped in art editing.: (cur) (last) 00:29, 16 July 2008 Tyrenius (Talk | contribs) (10,633 bytes) (this book needs to be mentioned) (undo)
2. I love your comment about further reading...
Again, you lack of arts experience and careless handling of the subject and addition is evident in your claim of the books ISBN number link: there has NEVER been an ISBN link.
Thank you again for your time. I look forward to applying your additional comment and look forward to hearing more learned comments from experienced editor knowledgable on this topic -- rather than one who can only 'delete' which is NOT a wiki policy.
-- Baby fu baby ( talk) 18:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. 1. Your "Further Reading" comment was very useful. Thank you. 2. Please give me the direct link to where it states what a Wiki account user can or cannot direct his or her attention to? 3. Please give me the direct link to where it states in Wiki where one should put ones energies? 4. As for my utter nonsense, omg, I am presuming you mean the 'notability' and 'verifiablity' links from the greatest authority on this Wiki Article, Andre the Giant: namely, Shepard Fairey, hello! Not only did I supply that direct link, but I also linked to the excellent "OBEY" wiki link. Maybe your cursor was frozen?
However, I can assure you that 'deletion' is not a wiki policy. Let me quote you Wiki policy, "If the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion." In other words, get off your meaningless platitudes and find a subject you might know something about. For starters, you might learn something about 'nonsense', which, again, it appears you know nothing about but love to spout meaninglessly about.
I will edit the sentence and reinsert it the next chance I get. I look forword to your valued edits -- not deletion of the "History" of Andre the Giant.
-- Baby fu baby ( talk) 17:42, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Shepard Fairey endorses Barack Obama and has worked on his campaign. Ever since he announced his candidacy for president I've been seeing Obama stencils based on the Obey Giant springing up everywhere. I'm not sure where it would fit, since it's not a parody like the Tattoo or Palin ones because it's straight from Fairey himself. Should we have a mention of this in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.107.80.74 ( talk) 13:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
I think we should change the title of this article to "Obey Giant." That is in fact the name that Shepard has chosen, as in http://www.obeygiant.com Iconic D ( talk) 05:44, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Apologies if I dorked up adding the hangon tag. Couldn't see an explanation on here as to why the image should be deleted, and as the image is of the sticker that started the reason for this article, I'd think there should be an awfully good reason for deleting it. BrianDeacon ( talk) 05:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
I believe the article is not balanced. Many believe that the art is plagiarized. Please read this page for an example http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Obey/index.htm You don't even need to read it, just browse the images. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ciper ( talk • contribs) 07:37, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Reviewing ATGHAP page after hearing I had been "buffed", not only did I put it back, I cleaned up some other stuff. Mostly little. But one of the things that sort of irritated me is the presence BOBEY sticker. It IS indicative of the parody stuff, but there are better known parodies. What bugged me most was in reviewing the changes when it appeared, it looks as if someone was is just getting their stuff "up" by tagging the page.
Which in itself is cool but the bite itself is kind of lame. Like I said, I think there are better examples, ones that are less obscure.
Another thing that caught my eye is that the page seems looser and less informative then it had been previously. Maybe I'm mistaken but a lot of the quotes from "critics" [sic] come across as derivative and inconsequential.
People get hung up on OBEY GIANT vs ATGHAP so maybe there should be another, separate OBEY page, and one which outlines the present status of the project/experiment (ie OBEY).
Lastly, the plagiarism accusations are something that is not new per se to the work, but now that Shepard has got all this attention it seems to have picked up steam. It is one of those things that come along with all the other stuff: Fame, notoriety, longevity, perhaps even relevancy (?). In any case, since FSH is doing all the stuff by hand (exacto on rubylith of imagery; silk-screened), the accusation can certainly to be argued. My point however is that while noteworthy, it seems out of place as the lead-off for the article's main body.
Also, and possibly worthy of addition, is that the phrase, "Andre the Giant has a posse" was inspired by the Sir Mix-A-Lot track, "My Posse's On Broadway" and the idea of rap "posses" at the time (1988-89). FSH was doing a piss-take on it all, very true to his punk rock/skate rat roots in this sense. But worth recalling is that in 1989 sampling was a VERY BIG DEAL. Nearly all hip-hop artists were being accused of...plagiarism. Worth noting. Mongonikol ( talk) 20:53, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
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I cannot find how the change into "OBEY" went ('stylistically and semantically'). Can someone add that to the article? - DePiep ( talk) 21:06, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
I did not see any reference to the 1990 Buddy Cianci Billboard ad Defacement. According to a September 2019 article in obeygiant.com Shepard pasted the face of Andre The Giant over Buddy Cianci's face and replaced the word 'Cianci' with 'Andre'. This sparked media attention as Buddy Cianci was running for Mayor for a second time after being forced to step down after he was found guilty of Assault on his ex-wife's lover years earlier. Cianci still was very well liked amongst Providence residents and this caused a bit of controversy towards Shepard. [3]
I understand that some argue that this artist appropriates other work: but the section on appropriation has no examples of this at all. Instead it consists of a lawsuit claiming that another artist appropriated *his* work, followed by a vague paragraph with no evidence whatsoever. Surely someone can come up with something concrete: otherwise I would strongly urge that this section be deleted.