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I started noticing that episode title yesterday in the Comcast listings for April 7, and it has a one-hour block (Disney Channel advertising a one-hour series premiere). Will not make any changes to the way the episodes are listed for the time being—definitely not until after the show gets started then, plus what Disney Channel runs on April 9, where Screener has "13" and "Outside the Box" right now. My hunch is that "Tomorrow Starts Today" will be both "13" and "Outside the Box" combined (plus I saw the episode teasers at Screener which seem to suggest that). I just don't see any other possibility, given that "13" and "Outside the Box" are marked at Watch Disney as episodes one and two, and the original arrangement at Screener had it that way, too. But as I said, for now, I'll leave the episode listing alone. This is sounding like what DC did with "Stuck in the Waterpark - The Movie" (Stuck in the Middle season 2 premiere), except that was shown initially, both on DC and Watch Disney, as the movie, then was broken up on DC into the two episodes "Stuck in the Waterpark" and "Stuck in the Aqualympics". Here, the two episodes are already individual at Watch Disney (I'm guessing the various Disney apps have something similar, but I just refer to the Watch Disney portion, which is what I access on the computer). Not sure how we will handle this once the one-hour premiere happens, and then "13" and "Outside the Box" air as individual episodes. The rule of thumb is how it originally airs on DC, but not sure about exceptions like how the episodes were laid out on the Disney apps, and even DC's YouTube page, which has only "13", weeks ahead of the premiere. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 15:58, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Note that iTunes is selling "13" and "Outside the Box" as separate episodes. Disney is also consistently rerunning these as two separate episodes. I reiterate again that I think we need to split these episodes into two entries in the episodes list. Pinging: Amaury, Geraldo Perez and MPFitz1968 for further comment. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 18:35, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Andi Mack is an American sitcom" citation needed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.133.106.38 ( talk) 03:48, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Geraldo Perez, MPFitz1968, IJBall
Just as an FYI, Disney Channel promo commercial is advertising the episode on June 23 as the season finale. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 04:13, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
"Bex later discovers Andi is infatuated with a boy named Jonah Beck and arranges to have her be with him, which includes a frisbee lesson with him."
there is no need for two "with him"s in this sentence. it's clumsy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.26.214.132 ( talk) 20:54, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Bowie, Marty, Britanny (and probably Iris) should all be accepted as recurring characters. There is no predefined number of how many times a character should appear to qualify as a recurring character. As long as you guest star more than once, you're a recurring character. Even when you look at Recurring character page, it says more than once. These characters (besides Iris) have appeared at least 3 times. In addition, they play key roles on the show. I would understand if it was someone like Gus who gets only 1 line with no significant story. But Bowie, Marty etc have key roles. So, what criteria are you using to reject them as recurring characters? What's the minimum number of times to qualify as a recurring character and where is that defined?
Bowie was the main focus on 3 episodes: Dad Influence, Terms of Embarrassment and Best Surprise Ever. Marty played major role in 3 episodes and an introductory role in one. Brittany played a major role in one episode and a lesser role in 2 episodes. We can wait for Iris' second major episode. But at minimum, Bowie, Marty and Brittany should be acknowledged as recurring. Some shows even list guest stars and (co-stars) who appeared in just one episode. We should respect the show and give their cast the credit deserved. Starforce13 ( talk) 22:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
A couple of recent edits by IPs [1] [2] have been adding at least Bowie to the recurring list - one of them also adding Marty. I believe the consensus at the moment is not to add them until they have appeared in at least one or two episodes in season two if I went thru the discussion here correctly. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 17:27, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
I have now had to remove this twice, added in by IPs in 180.190.0.0/16 ( [3] [4]). Clearly, most of it is unsourced, but also of concern is mere mentions of other TV series or events (like the 2017 NBA playoffs, Stuck in the Middle and K.C. Undercover). I'm scratching my head wondering what they have to do with the broadcast of Andi Mack outside the US. One part that seems noteworthy within all of the text, which has a source [5], is its not running on Disney Channel in South Africa (or DStv). The text, as written, just seems odd and irrelevant, and perhaps taking those parts out mentioning other shows would be more appropriate - plus adding in sources to support where the show is airing. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 15:25, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
It is one of two sources supporting the statement It is the first series on Disney Channel to feature a gay middle school boy as a main character, which has drawn considerable media attention and was reported in the news as "historic"
. (
Link) I initially flagged the source for "Subscription required", as I was unable to read it, with the site talking about a basic digital subscription. Then I subsequently reverted since I was able to read it in Firefox; I was getting the subscription bit in Chrome.
MPFitz1968 (
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22:13, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
The whole concept of the show is that Andi's "sister" Bex is really her mother. It is a well sourced fact and was addressed in the very first episode. However, User:Amaury claims that there is "a reason" to not include this in the article. Per WP:SPOILER, we don't hide plot details. There is no logical reason to hide this information in the article. JDDJS ( talk) 01:09, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Please remove the huge spoiler posted in the 'Premise' section. I didn't know this show existed before today. Saw it playing on a television, looked up what it was and BLAM you spoiled the biggest thing in the show when I was trying to find out a vague basic premise. What are you even thinking by having that in there? Why is it so important to spoil things for everybody? Why are you spoiling something as if it makes you so special you watched a show and know what happens so you just have to tell everyone. I don't care if it's in the first episode. I'd like it to be a surprise in the first episode.
Two edits ( [6] [7]) made by Cedancer5678 are making the claim that she portrayed Buffy Driscoll in the originally filmed pilot. If this can be reliably sourced with an explanation about why the change in casting to Sofia Wylie, it would be more than a trivial detail about the series that can be placed in the Production (or a "Casting") section. But the sources used in Cedancer's edits (from Instagram and Tumblr) are far from satisfying the reliable source requirement (see WP:USERG), and there appears not to be a reference that I can find at present talking about this casting detail which would satisfy WP:RS. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 17:08, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
The Premise section focuses only on the lead character with no mention of any meaningful information regarding the other main characters whatsoever. Perhaps it would be appropriate to include at least some information regarding the other main characters? -- Justthefacts9 ( talk) 19:22, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
The premise is the concept of the book. The plot, on the other hand, is what happens in the book — all the events that make up the story.More info here. They're referring to books, but it of course applies to anything. However, I do not disagree with adding more information to the section. We probably have more than enough information to add to the section that we can convert it to a "Plot" section. And as it is, some rewriting could be done, anyway, as the grammar and sentence flow in the current version isn't the best. There's also a related discussion a little bit up at Including the concept of the show in the article. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 20:16, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
The recent transformation of the Premise into a Plot summary is looking like overkill with detail, and probably needs to be summarized more concisely. In fact, I came across this in the
WP:TVPLOT guideline: If the plot summaries are moved to a separate list of episodes ... or to individual season articles ... then the plot summary at the series article should be replaced with a simple overview or premise section that allocates around 100 words per season (such as a logline for each season in non-copyrighted language).
(Emphasis mine) With the LoE containing summaries for every episode, simply restating what's in those summaries under a Plot section here would be excessive.
MPFitz1968 (
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22:18, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason as to why the names of publications of sources aren't linked to their Wikipedia articles in the references in this article? It's fairly standard throughout Wikipedia for the names of publications to be linked to their Wikipedia articles in references (it's also helpful in discerning which publications are reliable sources, as a publication which has its own Wikipedia article would almost certainly be considered WP:RS). -- Justthefacts9 ( talk) 04:35, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
would almost certainly be considered WP:RSthere, but I'm thinking there are plenty of publications documented as Wikipedia articles that would fail WP:RS). MPFitz1968 ( talk) 16:28, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
@ Amaury: Regarding repetition of links to Wikipedia articles in references: shouldn't this be treated as different from links within a given section? Readers are unlikely to view the References section separately as compared to reading the popup reference box which appears when hovering over a reference number. -- Justthefacts9 ( talk) 20:23, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead.(emphasis mine). As a "reference number" is a footnote, it appears OK to repeat a link for a publication that is common to multiple footnotes/references, so I'd agree with Justthefacts9 here. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 07:27, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
The new opening titles scene for Season 3 ( see here) shows Trent Garrett / Bowie Quinn as a main cast member / character. Should the article be updated to reflect this? Are there any sources which qualify as WP:RS to support this? -- Justthefacts9 ( talk) 10:10, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Can someone make “Sofia Wylie” a separate page? Warsong66 ( talk) 01:19, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
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Sofia Wylie's name should be hyperlinked to her separate wikipedia page
Per WP:BRD, discussions must take place when an edit is disagreed with. Normally, the onus of that is on the editor who initially made the edit, but I guess I have to be the better person here. Furthermore, until the issue is resolved, the article must stay in the WP:STATUSQUO version, so that last edit to the article is wrong. There is no virtually no difference between "that" and "which" and both basically mean the same thing. And thus, despite an earlier false claim, a comma is not needed before "which" to make it correct. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 23:44, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
a comma is not needed before "which" to make it correct. — Lbtocth talk 23:52, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
We said this: a distinction that has drawn considerable media attention and was reported in the news as "history".
That's not what the sources say, sure they use the word "history" but within the phrase "set to make history" - this has a different meaning. Saying something is "history" means it is in the past, it's old, no longer relevant. Saying "set to make history" means historic, i.e. important or potnetially important within history. I therefore changed this so it has the correct meaning, and added a source actually using the word "historic" instead of "set to make history".
Please don't revert, but if you disagree with my edit propose some alternative that isn't misleading.-- Pontificalibus 07:54, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
There's no denying that Andi Mack has made some pretty awesome history; however, I will reiterate what I said at
Talk:Joshua Rush#Cyrus' sexuality here: By definition, Cyrus is not openly gay. The definition of being openly gay is that said individual doesn't hide who they are from the public and people know they are gay and it's there for people who don't they're gay to know. If they're in a relationship, they might also hold hands, show some affection, etc. in public without worry. With Cyrus, only Buffy (S2 E1) and Andi (S2 E13) know so far. The rest of the main characters and the recurring characters don't know nor does the whole school. That's what we would informally call being closeted.
In addition, at least at this point in time, Cyrus' sexuality and feelings toward Jonah seem to be more of a side story. That could very well change as the rest of the second season airs and when the third season airs in that it becomes for prevalent. But for now, his story has only been a central point in "Hey, Who Wants Pizza?" and "Cyrus' Bash-Mitzvah!" It was also briefly indirectly mentioned on "Friends Like These."
Amaury (
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14:03, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Regarding the use of the term "openly", it is probably best to leave that out, given the ambiguity surrounding the term. Now, the much more important issue here is of notability. The gay character and coming out storyline made headlines on national/international news publications and media outlets ranging from The Washington Post to BBC News. It's not everyday that a particular aspect of a children's show on a kid's network makes headlines on national newspapers and international broadcasters (in fact, there's virtually no precedent). In fact, no such extensive coverage has ever been otherwise given to this series, at all - or, in other words, this particular aspect of this series is more notable than the entire series itself. Surely that merits it comprehensive coverage in the body of the article and inclusion in the lead. -- Justthefacts9 ( talk) 07:53, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Justthefacts9 brings up a point about inclusion of "
Category:American LGBT-related television shows" in the article, quoting the category's criteria
[8]. The category deal[s] with or feature[s] significant lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender characters or issues and may have same-sex romance or relationships as an important plot device
. (This is longer than what was quoted by Justthefacts9.) I'm not totally on board with inclusion, as all there has been regarding Cyrus' coming out is his feelings and talking about it, though the latter part of the quote from that category's criteria indicates that there doesn't have to be explicit "same-sex" interaction.
MPFitz1968 (
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07:46, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
I think this category should be added. If it were simply "LGBT shows" I'd say no, because this is not an LGBT show but a show that happens to have some LGBT content. But the category is for LGBT related shows, which this is because it features "significant lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender characters or issues" and this is supported by the sources. -- Pontificalibus 17:15, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
(Warning: Spoilers. Don't keep reading or watch the video if you keep up with this series and haven't seen the episode "One in a Minyan" yet.)
Perhaps once Bex and Celia as well as, most importantly, Jonah find out would it be defining.
Let's revisit this. As mentioned above, both Buffy and Andi already knew; now, Cyrus has now come out to Jonah as well as of Friday's episode, and this was with the episode's promo hinting at it being Jonah, TJ, or both that it he would come out to. Of course Andi Mack has already made history with that; what made even more history is that he told Jonah "I'm gay," as seen
here. With another barrier being broken, as that's not anything Disney Channel would have done years ago, does that category now belong in this article or still not yet?
Amaury (
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17:20, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
I started noticing that episode title yesterday in the Comcast listings for April 7, and it has a one-hour block (Disney Channel advertising a one-hour series premiere). Will not make any changes to the way the episodes are listed for the time being—definitely not until after the show gets started then, plus what Disney Channel runs on April 9, where Screener has "13" and "Outside the Box" right now. My hunch is that "Tomorrow Starts Today" will be both "13" and "Outside the Box" combined (plus I saw the episode teasers at Screener which seem to suggest that). I just don't see any other possibility, given that "13" and "Outside the Box" are marked at Watch Disney as episodes one and two, and the original arrangement at Screener had it that way, too. But as I said, for now, I'll leave the episode listing alone. This is sounding like what DC did with "Stuck in the Waterpark - The Movie" (Stuck in the Middle season 2 premiere), except that was shown initially, both on DC and Watch Disney, as the movie, then was broken up on DC into the two episodes "Stuck in the Waterpark" and "Stuck in the Aqualympics". Here, the two episodes are already individual at Watch Disney (I'm guessing the various Disney apps have something similar, but I just refer to the Watch Disney portion, which is what I access on the computer). Not sure how we will handle this once the one-hour premiere happens, and then "13" and "Outside the Box" air as individual episodes. The rule of thumb is how it originally airs on DC, but not sure about exceptions like how the episodes were laid out on the Disney apps, and even DC's YouTube page, which has only "13", weeks ahead of the premiere. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 15:58, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Note that iTunes is selling "13" and "Outside the Box" as separate episodes. Disney is also consistently rerunning these as two separate episodes. I reiterate again that I think we need to split these episodes into two entries in the episodes list. Pinging: Amaury, Geraldo Perez and MPFitz1968 for further comment. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 18:35, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Andi Mack is an American sitcom" citation needed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.133.106.38 ( talk) 03:48, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Geraldo Perez, MPFitz1968, IJBall
Just as an FYI, Disney Channel promo commercial is advertising the episode on June 23 as the season finale. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 04:13, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
"Bex later discovers Andi is infatuated with a boy named Jonah Beck and arranges to have her be with him, which includes a frisbee lesson with him."
there is no need for two "with him"s in this sentence. it's clumsy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.26.214.132 ( talk) 20:54, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Bowie, Marty, Britanny (and probably Iris) should all be accepted as recurring characters. There is no predefined number of how many times a character should appear to qualify as a recurring character. As long as you guest star more than once, you're a recurring character. Even when you look at Recurring character page, it says more than once. These characters (besides Iris) have appeared at least 3 times. In addition, they play key roles on the show. I would understand if it was someone like Gus who gets only 1 line with no significant story. But Bowie, Marty etc have key roles. So, what criteria are you using to reject them as recurring characters? What's the minimum number of times to qualify as a recurring character and where is that defined?
Bowie was the main focus on 3 episodes: Dad Influence, Terms of Embarrassment and Best Surprise Ever. Marty played major role in 3 episodes and an introductory role in one. Brittany played a major role in one episode and a lesser role in 2 episodes. We can wait for Iris' second major episode. But at minimum, Bowie, Marty and Brittany should be acknowledged as recurring. Some shows even list guest stars and (co-stars) who appeared in just one episode. We should respect the show and give their cast the credit deserved. Starforce13 ( talk) 22:30, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
A couple of recent edits by IPs [1] [2] have been adding at least Bowie to the recurring list - one of them also adding Marty. I believe the consensus at the moment is not to add them until they have appeared in at least one or two episodes in season two if I went thru the discussion here correctly. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 17:27, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
I have now had to remove this twice, added in by IPs in 180.190.0.0/16 ( [3] [4]). Clearly, most of it is unsourced, but also of concern is mere mentions of other TV series or events (like the 2017 NBA playoffs, Stuck in the Middle and K.C. Undercover). I'm scratching my head wondering what they have to do with the broadcast of Andi Mack outside the US. One part that seems noteworthy within all of the text, which has a source [5], is its not running on Disney Channel in South Africa (or DStv). The text, as written, just seems odd and irrelevant, and perhaps taking those parts out mentioning other shows would be more appropriate - plus adding in sources to support where the show is airing. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 15:25, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
It is one of two sources supporting the statement It is the first series on Disney Channel to feature a gay middle school boy as a main character, which has drawn considerable media attention and was reported in the news as "historic"
. (
Link) I initially flagged the source for "Subscription required", as I was unable to read it, with the site talking about a basic digital subscription. Then I subsequently reverted since I was able to read it in Firefox; I was getting the subscription bit in Chrome.
MPFitz1968 (
talk)
22:13, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
The whole concept of the show is that Andi's "sister" Bex is really her mother. It is a well sourced fact and was addressed in the very first episode. However, User:Amaury claims that there is "a reason" to not include this in the article. Per WP:SPOILER, we don't hide plot details. There is no logical reason to hide this information in the article. JDDJS ( talk) 01:09, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Please remove the huge spoiler posted in the 'Premise' section. I didn't know this show existed before today. Saw it playing on a television, looked up what it was and BLAM you spoiled the biggest thing in the show when I was trying to find out a vague basic premise. What are you even thinking by having that in there? Why is it so important to spoil things for everybody? Why are you spoiling something as if it makes you so special you watched a show and know what happens so you just have to tell everyone. I don't care if it's in the first episode. I'd like it to be a surprise in the first episode.
Two edits ( [6] [7]) made by Cedancer5678 are making the claim that she portrayed Buffy Driscoll in the originally filmed pilot. If this can be reliably sourced with an explanation about why the change in casting to Sofia Wylie, it would be more than a trivial detail about the series that can be placed in the Production (or a "Casting") section. But the sources used in Cedancer's edits (from Instagram and Tumblr) are far from satisfying the reliable source requirement (see WP:USERG), and there appears not to be a reference that I can find at present talking about this casting detail which would satisfy WP:RS. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 17:08, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
The Premise section focuses only on the lead character with no mention of any meaningful information regarding the other main characters whatsoever. Perhaps it would be appropriate to include at least some information regarding the other main characters? -- Justthefacts9 ( talk) 19:22, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
The premise is the concept of the book. The plot, on the other hand, is what happens in the book — all the events that make up the story.More info here. They're referring to books, but it of course applies to anything. However, I do not disagree with adding more information to the section. We probably have more than enough information to add to the section that we can convert it to a "Plot" section. And as it is, some rewriting could be done, anyway, as the grammar and sentence flow in the current version isn't the best. There's also a related discussion a little bit up at Including the concept of the show in the article. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 20:16, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
The recent transformation of the Premise into a Plot summary is looking like overkill with detail, and probably needs to be summarized more concisely. In fact, I came across this in the
WP:TVPLOT guideline: If the plot summaries are moved to a separate list of episodes ... or to individual season articles ... then the plot summary at the series article should be replaced with a simple overview or premise section that allocates around 100 words per season (such as a logline for each season in non-copyrighted language).
(Emphasis mine) With the LoE containing summaries for every episode, simply restating what's in those summaries under a Plot section here would be excessive.
MPFitz1968 (
talk)
22:18, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason as to why the names of publications of sources aren't linked to their Wikipedia articles in the references in this article? It's fairly standard throughout Wikipedia for the names of publications to be linked to their Wikipedia articles in references (it's also helpful in discerning which publications are reliable sources, as a publication which has its own Wikipedia article would almost certainly be considered WP:RS). -- Justthefacts9 ( talk) 04:35, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
would almost certainly be considered WP:RSthere, but I'm thinking there are plenty of publications documented as Wikipedia articles that would fail WP:RS). MPFitz1968 ( talk) 16:28, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
@ Amaury: Regarding repetition of links to Wikipedia articles in references: shouldn't this be treated as different from links within a given section? Readers are unlikely to view the References section separately as compared to reading the popup reference box which appears when hovering over a reference number. -- Justthefacts9 ( talk) 20:23, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, a link may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, footnotes, hatnotes, and at the first occurrence after the lead.(emphasis mine). As a "reference number" is a footnote, it appears OK to repeat a link for a publication that is common to multiple footnotes/references, so I'd agree with Justthefacts9 here. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 07:27, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
The new opening titles scene for Season 3 ( see here) shows Trent Garrett / Bowie Quinn as a main cast member / character. Should the article be updated to reflect this? Are there any sources which qualify as WP:RS to support this? -- Justthefacts9 ( talk) 10:10, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Can someone make “Sofia Wylie” a separate page? Warsong66 ( talk) 01:19, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
This
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Sofia Wylie's name should be hyperlinked to her separate wikipedia page
Per WP:BRD, discussions must take place when an edit is disagreed with. Normally, the onus of that is on the editor who initially made the edit, but I guess I have to be the better person here. Furthermore, until the issue is resolved, the article must stay in the WP:STATUSQUO version, so that last edit to the article is wrong. There is no virtually no difference between "that" and "which" and both basically mean the same thing. And thus, despite an earlier false claim, a comma is not needed before "which" to make it correct. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 23:44, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
a comma is not needed before "which" to make it correct. — Lbtocth talk 23:52, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
We said this: a distinction that has drawn considerable media attention and was reported in the news as "history".
That's not what the sources say, sure they use the word "history" but within the phrase "set to make history" - this has a different meaning. Saying something is "history" means it is in the past, it's old, no longer relevant. Saying "set to make history" means historic, i.e. important or potnetially important within history. I therefore changed this so it has the correct meaning, and added a source actually using the word "historic" instead of "set to make history".
Please don't revert, but if you disagree with my edit propose some alternative that isn't misleading.-- Pontificalibus 07:54, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
There's no denying that Andi Mack has made some pretty awesome history; however, I will reiterate what I said at
Talk:Joshua Rush#Cyrus' sexuality here: By definition, Cyrus is not openly gay. The definition of being openly gay is that said individual doesn't hide who they are from the public and people know they are gay and it's there for people who don't they're gay to know. If they're in a relationship, they might also hold hands, show some affection, etc. in public without worry. With Cyrus, only Buffy (S2 E1) and Andi (S2 E13) know so far. The rest of the main characters and the recurring characters don't know nor does the whole school. That's what we would informally call being closeted.
In addition, at least at this point in time, Cyrus' sexuality and feelings toward Jonah seem to be more of a side story. That could very well change as the rest of the second season airs and when the third season airs in that it becomes for prevalent. But for now, his story has only been a central point in "Hey, Who Wants Pizza?" and "Cyrus' Bash-Mitzvah!" It was also briefly indirectly mentioned on "Friends Like These."
Amaury (
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14:03, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Regarding the use of the term "openly", it is probably best to leave that out, given the ambiguity surrounding the term. Now, the much more important issue here is of notability. The gay character and coming out storyline made headlines on national/international news publications and media outlets ranging from The Washington Post to BBC News. It's not everyday that a particular aspect of a children's show on a kid's network makes headlines on national newspapers and international broadcasters (in fact, there's virtually no precedent). In fact, no such extensive coverage has ever been otherwise given to this series, at all - or, in other words, this particular aspect of this series is more notable than the entire series itself. Surely that merits it comprehensive coverage in the body of the article and inclusion in the lead. -- Justthefacts9 ( talk) 07:53, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Justthefacts9 brings up a point about inclusion of "
Category:American LGBT-related television shows" in the article, quoting the category's criteria
[8]. The category deal[s] with or feature[s] significant lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender characters or issues and may have same-sex romance or relationships as an important plot device
. (This is longer than what was quoted by Justthefacts9.) I'm not totally on board with inclusion, as all there has been regarding Cyrus' coming out is his feelings and talking about it, though the latter part of the quote from that category's criteria indicates that there doesn't have to be explicit "same-sex" interaction.
MPFitz1968 (
talk)
07:46, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
I think this category should be added. If it were simply "LGBT shows" I'd say no, because this is not an LGBT show but a show that happens to have some LGBT content. But the category is for LGBT related shows, which this is because it features "significant lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender characters or issues" and this is supported by the sources. -- Pontificalibus 17:15, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
(Warning: Spoilers. Don't keep reading or watch the video if you keep up with this series and haven't seen the episode "One in a Minyan" yet.)
Perhaps once Bex and Celia as well as, most importantly, Jonah find out would it be defining.
Let's revisit this. As mentioned above, both Buffy and Andi already knew; now, Cyrus has now come out to Jonah as well as of Friday's episode, and this was with the episode's promo hinting at it being Jonah, TJ, or both that it he would come out to. Of course Andi Mack has already made history with that; what made even more history is that he told Jonah "I'm gay," as seen
here. With another barrier being broken, as that's not anything Disney Channel would have done years ago, does that category now belong in this article or still not yet?
Amaury (
talk |
contribs)
17:20, 10 February 2019 (UTC)