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Sending death threats to someone because you don't like the way they referee is beyond ghastly. To describe the sending of such threats as "retaliation" because you're a Chelsea fan and don't think he was helpful enough to your side is utterly stupid; it's not merely nonsense, but it's also a violation of our neutrality policy, unencyclopaedic in tone, and subtly suggests that death threats were an appropriate response. What's your justification for wanting to change the existing, neutral, tone of the article to full-on "ohh, it was retaliation" mode? fuddlemark ( fuddle me!) 02:21, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I fully understand what 'retaliation' means you didn't need to tell me. I think you should focus on the motives why fans retaliate, rather than whether it is right or wrong act or inappropriate or whatever.
I don't think I have ever suggested Frisk 'did something wrong'. Even if he did, FIFA would deal with him, NOT the fans. That's first point.
Second, no one should subject to 'revenge' and no one deserves death threat and that has always been my position.
But there were always reasons or motives behind the 'death threats' were made. People don't make death threats for fun and it's a serious criminal act. It's very hard not to believe there is no relation between 'death threats' and 'revenge' or 'retaliation', as you have been proclaiming.
In fact, I find that some people (presumably Chelsea fans) and people like you using Wikipedia as a platform trying so hard to play down the seriousness of this event and not let the truth to be told or published in Wikipedia. I want to say, I am gutted, because people reading this article, have been reading the 'Chelsea die-hard fans' version of the story, but not the truth. So, probably, you have forgotten to change your Bio telling others you have become a Chelsea glory hunter.
If I was ever a Chelsea fan, I would think this 'death threat saga' was a 'smear campaign' on my club.
But death threats were real. They were neither Frisk's fantasy or invention. And I am just so angry that, in here Wikipedia people like you deny the fact and truth the 'death threats' were linked to Chelsea fans or trying so hard to invent 'Chelsea fans' own version of the story or to manipulate the truth. And you guys have been trying hard to let the readers remember you as a 'neutral' contributor, or would rather be called 'hypocrite' (while accepting the truth but choose not to tell it in the article)
In summary, I am just reporting on the fact that people don't make death threats for no reason. And to YOU and those who insist to manipulate the truth and try so hard to stop the truth to be told, I just want to say: a person can pretend to be neutral and also hypocrital. But a fact is a fact, a truth is a truth. The action of sending death threats is an act which usually regarded as retaliation, if otherwise, you justify yourself before me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.78.201.209 ( talk • contribs) 22:29, 20 February 2006.
Never mind. Change it back to your very own version then.
Well......sorry, I just don't think you have the capability to rebut others. So, take care of yourself before correcting others. And just because you are an administrator doesn't mean you are always right and you are more superior than the others.
I can understand why anti-Frisk campaigners don't want people to think 'death threaths' were retaliation or revenge. It is a truth rather than to smear them. Anyway, shame on you and other chelsea fans.
I have removed some poor use of language in the final paragraph. "Chelsea manager José Mourinho publicly accused Frisk of having (irregularly) invited Barça manager Frank Rijkaard into his room at half-time." passes judgement on the accusation (which in later paragraphs is shown to have some merit) and is effectively original research. The validity of the accusation in UEFA's eyes should be kept seperate.
The second example is "Apparently Frisk properly told him". 'Apparently' isn't a word that should appear in professional or academic pieces and the use of "properly" is again passing judgement. This would be acceptable for a quote, not for the main text of the article. Abigsmurf 14:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Did u all forget the 2000 season when he controversially awarded 2 penalties to barcelona in extra time during the champions league? and sent off Babayaro —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.107.116.240 ( talk • contribs) 17:28, 9 May 2007
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Sending death threats to someone because you don't like the way they referee is beyond ghastly. To describe the sending of such threats as "retaliation" because you're a Chelsea fan and don't think he was helpful enough to your side is utterly stupid; it's not merely nonsense, but it's also a violation of our neutrality policy, unencyclopaedic in tone, and subtly suggests that death threats were an appropriate response. What's your justification for wanting to change the existing, neutral, tone of the article to full-on "ohh, it was retaliation" mode? fuddlemark ( fuddle me!) 02:21, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I fully understand what 'retaliation' means you didn't need to tell me. I think you should focus on the motives why fans retaliate, rather than whether it is right or wrong act or inappropriate or whatever.
I don't think I have ever suggested Frisk 'did something wrong'. Even if he did, FIFA would deal with him, NOT the fans. That's first point.
Second, no one should subject to 'revenge' and no one deserves death threat and that has always been my position.
But there were always reasons or motives behind the 'death threats' were made. People don't make death threats for fun and it's a serious criminal act. It's very hard not to believe there is no relation between 'death threats' and 'revenge' or 'retaliation', as you have been proclaiming.
In fact, I find that some people (presumably Chelsea fans) and people like you using Wikipedia as a platform trying so hard to play down the seriousness of this event and not let the truth to be told or published in Wikipedia. I want to say, I am gutted, because people reading this article, have been reading the 'Chelsea die-hard fans' version of the story, but not the truth. So, probably, you have forgotten to change your Bio telling others you have become a Chelsea glory hunter.
If I was ever a Chelsea fan, I would think this 'death threat saga' was a 'smear campaign' on my club.
But death threats were real. They were neither Frisk's fantasy or invention. And I am just so angry that, in here Wikipedia people like you deny the fact and truth the 'death threats' were linked to Chelsea fans or trying so hard to invent 'Chelsea fans' own version of the story or to manipulate the truth. And you guys have been trying hard to let the readers remember you as a 'neutral' contributor, or would rather be called 'hypocrite' (while accepting the truth but choose not to tell it in the article)
In summary, I am just reporting on the fact that people don't make death threats for no reason. And to YOU and those who insist to manipulate the truth and try so hard to stop the truth to be told, I just want to say: a person can pretend to be neutral and also hypocrital. But a fact is a fact, a truth is a truth. The action of sending death threats is an act which usually regarded as retaliation, if otherwise, you justify yourself before me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.78.201.209 ( talk • contribs) 22:29, 20 February 2006.
Never mind. Change it back to your very own version then.
Well......sorry, I just don't think you have the capability to rebut others. So, take care of yourself before correcting others. And just because you are an administrator doesn't mean you are always right and you are more superior than the others.
I can understand why anti-Frisk campaigners don't want people to think 'death threaths' were retaliation or revenge. It is a truth rather than to smear them. Anyway, shame on you and other chelsea fans.
I have removed some poor use of language in the final paragraph. "Chelsea manager José Mourinho publicly accused Frisk of having (irregularly) invited Barça manager Frank Rijkaard into his room at half-time." passes judgement on the accusation (which in later paragraphs is shown to have some merit) and is effectively original research. The validity of the accusation in UEFA's eyes should be kept seperate.
The second example is "Apparently Frisk properly told him". 'Apparently' isn't a word that should appear in professional or academic pieces and the use of "properly" is again passing judgement. This would be acceptable for a quote, not for the main text of the article. Abigsmurf 14:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Did u all forget the 2000 season when he controversially awarded 2 penalties to barcelona in extra time during the champions league? and sent off Babayaro —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.107.116.240 ( talk • contribs) 17:28, 9 May 2007