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Just wondering if we should either add a lot of information to the bottom the page on the Local Government Acts of 1888, 1933, 1958, the 1900 to 1965 metropolitan boroughs, the London boroughs, the post 1974 situation, etc etc; or rename the article (say) History of the English borough to 1889, which is what it is at the moment? Lozleader 16:58, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I think this article should end at 1835 and municipal reform should probably be an article to itself.
There are a lot of biogs which describe someone as the "High Steward" of a town - is there someone able to create a brief article explaining what that title meant? CarolGray 08:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Such errors don't inspire confidence in the list. Norvo ( talk) 00:56, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
{{
cite book}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link) and Youngs, Frederic A, Jr. (1991). Guide to the Local Administrative Units of England, Vol.2: Northern England. London:
Royal Historical Society.
ISBN
0861931270.{{
cite book}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link). These helpfully have ancient boroughs listed by county. His main source was Beresford & Finsberg's 1973 English Medieval Boroughs : A Hand-List, "other secondary sources and consultation with the archivists of the various counties, but not on original research." I'm sure I can generate a list/table. (It's only England though)
Lozleader (
talk) 10:15, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
I notice the second sentence in the lead is:
The ancient boroughs covered only important towns and were established by charters granted at different times by the monarchy.
This is isn't quite right, as there were various places where a peer or bishop enjoyed (palatine? regalian? powers) for instance:
In about 1230, the vill of Salford, Lancashire, was created a free borough by charter granted by Ranulph de Blondeville, 4th Earl of Chester.
Gateshead's first charter, granted in the 12th century by Hugh du Puiset, Bishop of Durham.
And there were the Welsh ones e.g.:
The first charter granted to Cowbridge was in 1254 by Sir Richard de Clare, Lord of Glamorgan
[the charter]... is dated around 1304-7, a... it is the charter by which Leysan ap Morgan granted privileges and responsibilities to the burgesses of Aberavon. Leysan was Lord of Avan, one of the member lordships of the Norman Lordship of Glamorgan. Interestingly he was a Welshman, and this charter is a rare example of a Welsh lord granting a charter to a borough.
And then some were "boroughs by prescription" and had no charter. Among the boroughs reformed in 1835 [5], Stockton and Swansea had no charters, it seems.
I would suggest someone needs to do a little surgery to the sentence... I'm not sure I have the legal/language skills to pin it down. Lozleader ( talk) 16:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
These were cribbed from the EB11 article. They may still have useful information, but should only be returned to the page once they're being used to source information:
— LlywelynII 15:34, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
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Just wondering if we should either add a lot of information to the bottom the page on the Local Government Acts of 1888, 1933, 1958, the 1900 to 1965 metropolitan boroughs, the London boroughs, the post 1974 situation, etc etc; or rename the article (say) History of the English borough to 1889, which is what it is at the moment? Lozleader 16:58, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I think this article should end at 1835 and municipal reform should probably be an article to itself.
There are a lot of biogs which describe someone as the "High Steward" of a town - is there someone able to create a brief article explaining what that title meant? CarolGray 08:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Such errors don't inspire confidence in the list. Norvo ( talk) 00:56, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
{{
cite book}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link) and Youngs, Frederic A, Jr. (1991). Guide to the Local Administrative Units of England, Vol.2: Northern England. London:
Royal Historical Society.
ISBN
0861931270.{{
cite book}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link). These helpfully have ancient boroughs listed by county. His main source was Beresford & Finsberg's 1973 English Medieval Boroughs : A Hand-List, "other secondary sources and consultation with the archivists of the various counties, but not on original research." I'm sure I can generate a list/table. (It's only England though)
Lozleader (
talk) 10:15, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
I notice the second sentence in the lead is:
The ancient boroughs covered only important towns and were established by charters granted at different times by the monarchy.
This is isn't quite right, as there were various places where a peer or bishop enjoyed (palatine? regalian? powers) for instance:
In about 1230, the vill of Salford, Lancashire, was created a free borough by charter granted by Ranulph de Blondeville, 4th Earl of Chester.
Gateshead's first charter, granted in the 12th century by Hugh du Puiset, Bishop of Durham.
And there were the Welsh ones e.g.:
The first charter granted to Cowbridge was in 1254 by Sir Richard de Clare, Lord of Glamorgan
[the charter]... is dated around 1304-7, a... it is the charter by which Leysan ap Morgan granted privileges and responsibilities to the burgesses of Aberavon. Leysan was Lord of Avan, one of the member lordships of the Norman Lordship of Glamorgan. Interestingly he was a Welshman, and this charter is a rare example of a Welsh lord granting a charter to a borough.
And then some were "boroughs by prescription" and had no charter. Among the boroughs reformed in 1835 [5], Stockton and Swansea had no charters, it seems.
I would suggest someone needs to do a little surgery to the sentence... I'm not sure I have the legal/language skills to pin it down. Lozleader ( talk) 16:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
These were cribbed from the EB11 article. They may still have useful information, but should only be returned to the page once they're being used to source information:
— LlywelynII 15:34, 30 December 2015 (UTC)