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hey, so would this be the earliest form or is there a variant in Yemen which is older? languages like Socotri aren't descended from Arabic right but ancient non-arabic languages...correct me i'm probably wrong.. Domsta333 10:11, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
It would to get more information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.211.144 ( talk) 08:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Which Dialect is the closest to biblical Hebrew. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.211.144 ( talk) 02:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
It just might be wise to include some specific examples of the early inscriptions. "History is in the details." -- Anaccuratesource ( talk) 07:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
The name example yhyṯʻ-nʻmt (yuhayṯiʻ-niʻmat) is translated as :
"the one who assists niʻmat". yuhayṯiʻ being the imperfect aspect of Dedanite verb stem IV (root y-ṯ-ʻ)."
In Classical Arabic (root y-ṯ-ʻ) يطع means "obey", so could yhyṯʻ-nʻmt actually mean "[he who] beys niʻmat" (يطيع نعمة)? Similar to the modern naming convention of "Abd-X" -- A. Gharbeia ( talk) 20:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
The article states that these Ancient North Arabian dialects (must) have coexisted with Pre-Classical Arabic. I understood it thus: Ancient North Arabian was a group of dialects, possibly a dialect continuum, of which the immediate predecessor of Qoranic Arabic was one (and probably one of its southernmost exponents), but that particular dialect is not attested in any inscription, or in any pre-islamic text at all. Is that correct? Steinbach ( talk) 11:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Interesting article, but I had some real trouble reading the example words. Would it make sense to include their spelling in modern Arabic, or some other semitic alphabet? I think this might make the article more accessible to some at least. 82.128.191.203 ( talk) 23:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Let's have a discussion about North Arabian (including Taymanitic) versus the subset, defined by isoglosses, including Safaitic and (pre)Classical Arabic. Refer to Ahmad al-Jallad's grammar of Safaitic.-- Zimriel ( talk) 21:55, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
I think the content of this article should be changed to reflect the ANA scripts, as ANA is no longer recognized by the majority of scholars as a valid linguistic subgrouping. The article "Old Arabic" should now serve the place of this article. Jadhimah ( talk) 08:05, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
Modern scholarship does not view ANA as a valid linguistic subgrouping based on isoglosses. Simply put, there is no common proto-Ancient North Arabian which the languages in question descended from. The languages diverged from proto-Central Semitic. Dadanitic and Taymanitic, though written in ANA scripts are as distant from Arabic as the Northwest Semitic languages. Thamudic is not even a group of languages, it is a catch-all term for dialects of the Arabian peninsula that are unclassifiable. Furthermore, Safaitic and Hismaic should be considered dialects of Old Arabic. The family of Central Semitic should thus be divided into these subgroups: Northwest Semitic, Arabic (including Safaitic and Hismaic), Dadanitic, Taymanitic, and Ancient South Arabian. In my humble opinion, this entire article should be deleted. Jadhimah ( talk)
Or simply merged with Old North Arabian (writing system) Jadhimah ( talk)
could we have a chart of the letters maybe? even a comparison to ancient south arabian and other related scripts? Matthewmorrone1 ( talk) 18:03, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
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hey, so would this be the earliest form or is there a variant in Yemen which is older? languages like Socotri aren't descended from Arabic right but ancient non-arabic languages...correct me i'm probably wrong.. Domsta333 10:11, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
It would to get more information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.211.144 ( talk) 08:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Which Dialect is the closest to biblical Hebrew. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.211.144 ( talk) 02:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
It just might be wise to include some specific examples of the early inscriptions. "History is in the details." -- Anaccuratesource ( talk) 07:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
The name example yhyṯʻ-nʻmt (yuhayṯiʻ-niʻmat) is translated as :
"the one who assists niʻmat". yuhayṯiʻ being the imperfect aspect of Dedanite verb stem IV (root y-ṯ-ʻ)."
In Classical Arabic (root y-ṯ-ʻ) يطع means "obey", so could yhyṯʻ-nʻmt actually mean "[he who] beys niʻmat" (يطيع نعمة)? Similar to the modern naming convention of "Abd-X" -- A. Gharbeia ( talk) 20:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
The article states that these Ancient North Arabian dialects (must) have coexisted with Pre-Classical Arabic. I understood it thus: Ancient North Arabian was a group of dialects, possibly a dialect continuum, of which the immediate predecessor of Qoranic Arabic was one (and probably one of its southernmost exponents), but that particular dialect is not attested in any inscription, or in any pre-islamic text at all. Is that correct? Steinbach ( talk) 11:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Interesting article, but I had some real trouble reading the example words. Would it make sense to include their spelling in modern Arabic, or some other semitic alphabet? I think this might make the article more accessible to some at least. 82.128.191.203 ( talk) 23:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Let's have a discussion about North Arabian (including Taymanitic) versus the subset, defined by isoglosses, including Safaitic and (pre)Classical Arabic. Refer to Ahmad al-Jallad's grammar of Safaitic.-- Zimriel ( talk) 21:55, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
I think the content of this article should be changed to reflect the ANA scripts, as ANA is no longer recognized by the majority of scholars as a valid linguistic subgrouping. The article "Old Arabic" should now serve the place of this article. Jadhimah ( talk) 08:05, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
Modern scholarship does not view ANA as a valid linguistic subgrouping based on isoglosses. Simply put, there is no common proto-Ancient North Arabian which the languages in question descended from. The languages diverged from proto-Central Semitic. Dadanitic and Taymanitic, though written in ANA scripts are as distant from Arabic as the Northwest Semitic languages. Thamudic is not even a group of languages, it is a catch-all term for dialects of the Arabian peninsula that are unclassifiable. Furthermore, Safaitic and Hismaic should be considered dialects of Old Arabic. The family of Central Semitic should thus be divided into these subgroups: Northwest Semitic, Arabic (including Safaitic and Hismaic), Dadanitic, Taymanitic, and Ancient South Arabian. In my humble opinion, this entire article should be deleted. Jadhimah ( talk)
Or simply merged with Old North Arabian (writing system) Jadhimah ( talk)
could we have a chart of the letters maybe? even a comparison to ancient south arabian and other related scripts? Matthewmorrone1 ( talk) 18:03, 17 February 2021 (UTC)