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As for the fact that sometimes Ancient Macedonian words (from Hesychius' glossary) "reveal voiced stops where Greek shows voiceless aspirates", meaning b,d,g, instead of ph, th, kh, a similar, yet not identical thing occurs in German, i.e. within the same language, between dialects of the same language: Low German lopen vs. (High/literary/standard) German laufen, Low German riek, German reich. This Ancient Macedonian shift constitutes by no means a proof that Ancient Macedonian was a different language from Ancient Greek. 2A02:2F07:91EF:FFFF:0:0:4F71:7B3B ( talk) 04:43, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I just gave you the evidence above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graecophile ( talk • contribs) 15:27, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
...In sum, despite what we think about the matter, only the words and ideas of scholars and academics matter here, and some of them have radically different theories about the classification of the ancient Macedonian language. Pericles of Athens Talk 17:26, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Who said we are not discussing how to improve the article? I was trying to insert this comparison with German language and I don't understand why it is constantly deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graecophile ( talk • contribs) 04:02, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Isn't there a rule against people that lack common sense and education like "Pericles of Athens"? He should be banned for breaking the rules. What do you mean "I am incapable of having a normal conversation"? Who do you think you are to allow yourself such a language towards me? Are you Greek? Or are you a Slavic so-called "Macedonian" impersonating a Greek? My comparison with German dialects is indeed an original research. So what? That's probably not the first time OR is inserted into wikipedia. It is a good argument in favor of the Greekness of Ancient Macedonian, so you should accept it, unless you are a non-Greek. A consonantal shift is no proof of a different language. That is what I wanted to emphasize. That there are no proofs that Ancient Macedonian was no Greek dialect, even though some of its words show a consonant shift. That's no OR, stating that a consonant shift isn't enough to turn a dialect into a different language. Only the comparison with German (or any other language) is indeed an OR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graecophile ( talk • contribs) 12:04, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
This is the exact quotation from the article page: "There are, however, a number of words that are not easily identifiable as Greek and reveal, for example, voiced stops where Greek shows voiceless aspirates". It refers to the Ancient Macedonian words of Hesychius' glossary. Since you people obviously lack the power to understand simple sentences I will say it again: the above quotation has no relevance, since there are many words in (for instance) German dialects that are not present in standard German and also there are consonantal shifts between dialects of German and standard German. Neither of those 2 is an argument for the non-Greekness of Ancient Macedonian. That should be stated in the article since the above quotation induces, suggests the idea that Ancient Macedonian might not have been Greek based on phony arguments. I hope I made myself clear now, although I am not sure, given your intellectual power. And stop calling me names and threatening me with being banned since I have done nothing to break the rules. If you want to ban somebody, ban "Pericles of Athens" for calling me stupid ("you obviously can't have a normal conversation"). You people are very rude, aggressive and abusive. It is not my fault that you can't understand simple phrases, but to call me names and threaten me at the same time, that is too much. I say it again: the above quotation's text is irrelevant and misleading, people who have no knowledge of linguistics, that is the vast majority of wikipedia users, are inclined to believe that Ancient Macedonian was no Greek dialect, based on 2 phony arguments. The following text should be added to the quotation: "yet these are no conclusive arguments that Ancient Macedonian was no Greek dialect" or "yet there are specific words and consonant shifts in many dialects of many languages". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graecophile ( talk • contribs) 01:33, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
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As for the fact that sometimes Ancient Macedonian words (from Hesychius' glossary) "reveal voiced stops where Greek shows voiceless aspirates", meaning b,d,g, instead of ph, th, kh, a similar, yet not identical thing occurs in German, i.e. within the same language, between dialects of the same language: Low German lopen vs. (High/literary/standard) German laufen, Low German riek, German reich. This Ancient Macedonian shift constitutes by no means a proof that Ancient Macedonian was a different language from Ancient Greek. 2A02:2F07:91EF:FFFF:0:0:4F71:7B3B ( talk) 04:43, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I just gave you the evidence above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graecophile ( talk • contribs) 15:27, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
...In sum, despite what we think about the matter, only the words and ideas of scholars and academics matter here, and some of them have radically different theories about the classification of the ancient Macedonian language. Pericles of Athens Talk 17:26, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Who said we are not discussing how to improve the article? I was trying to insert this comparison with German language and I don't understand why it is constantly deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graecophile ( talk • contribs) 04:02, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Isn't there a rule against people that lack common sense and education like "Pericles of Athens"? He should be banned for breaking the rules. What do you mean "I am incapable of having a normal conversation"? Who do you think you are to allow yourself such a language towards me? Are you Greek? Or are you a Slavic so-called "Macedonian" impersonating a Greek? My comparison with German dialects is indeed an original research. So what? That's probably not the first time OR is inserted into wikipedia. It is a good argument in favor of the Greekness of Ancient Macedonian, so you should accept it, unless you are a non-Greek. A consonantal shift is no proof of a different language. That is what I wanted to emphasize. That there are no proofs that Ancient Macedonian was no Greek dialect, even though some of its words show a consonant shift. That's no OR, stating that a consonant shift isn't enough to turn a dialect into a different language. Only the comparison with German (or any other language) is indeed an OR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graecophile ( talk • contribs) 12:04, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
This is the exact quotation from the article page: "There are, however, a number of words that are not easily identifiable as Greek and reveal, for example, voiced stops where Greek shows voiceless aspirates". It refers to the Ancient Macedonian words of Hesychius' glossary. Since you people obviously lack the power to understand simple sentences I will say it again: the above quotation has no relevance, since there are many words in (for instance) German dialects that are not present in standard German and also there are consonantal shifts between dialects of German and standard German. Neither of those 2 is an argument for the non-Greekness of Ancient Macedonian. That should be stated in the article since the above quotation induces, suggests the idea that Ancient Macedonian might not have been Greek based on phony arguments. I hope I made myself clear now, although I am not sure, given your intellectual power. And stop calling me names and threatening me with being banned since I have done nothing to break the rules. If you want to ban somebody, ban "Pericles of Athens" for calling me stupid ("you obviously can't have a normal conversation"). You people are very rude, aggressive and abusive. It is not my fault that you can't understand simple phrases, but to call me names and threaten me at the same time, that is too much. I say it again: the above quotation's text is irrelevant and misleading, people who have no knowledge of linguistics, that is the vast majority of wikipedia users, are inclined to believe that Ancient Macedonian was no Greek dialect, based on 2 phony arguments. The following text should be added to the quotation: "yet these are no conclusive arguments that Ancient Macedonian was no Greek dialect" or "yet there are specific words and consonant shifts in many dialects of many languages". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graecophile ( talk • contribs) 01:33, 4 July 2017 (UTC)