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1. "And, in fact had evolved originally on Earth several million years ahead of Humans."
The ancients MAY have evolved on Earth, but it's very unlikely. According to the first episode of Star Gate: Atlantis, the ancients whole purpose in life was to reseed the galaxy with humanoid life after a plague had wiped most of it from the universe. In this means, the ancients would have seeded the Milky Way, as well as the Asgard galaxy, and probably any other race that has since developed, including us humans.
2. "However, there came a time that many of the Ancients "ascended" to a higher plane of existence (spatial) to escape a plague that was destroying their population. Around this time, one of the ancient's cities on Earth, Atlantis, left Earth and went to the Pegasus galaxy, where it settled on the huge ocean of a planet with barely any land."
The "plague" happened long before the ancients left to go to the Pagasus galaxy. The entire reason for them going was to reseed that galaxy with humanoid life. Why would they go there if the plague would just wipe out the life they seeded eventually?
3. "When the Atlantean Ancients returned, the plague was spreading."
Where are you getting this information? Are you creating it like fan-fic, or are do you actually have show references?
The Plague happened WAY before the ancients seeded ANY galaxies. It was their job to reseed the galaxy after the Plague had already killed off all living beings except the ancients (they were carriers).
4. "After breeding with the humans who had the same physical appearance, some ascended, and became god-like beings"
What?!? See, now I know you're making this up. There is not one single reference for this in the show at all. The reason why some humans (1/16,000) can use ancient technology is due to the fact that we're evolving into ancients, or rather we're evolving the neccessary biology that will allow us to be like the ancients (regeneration abilities, healing others, empathic abilities, so on). The ancients seeded planets with their DNA, and the life that evolved from that DNA will eventually have the same abilities as the ancients once had. They're repopulating their race, not having sex with cavemen.
5. "The Ancients are a member of the alliance of four great races."
The ancients WERE (past tense) part of the alliance of four great races. They're ascended now, and their rules prohibit them from interfering in lesser races advancement. They no longer contribute to the alliance, thus they're no longer members.
I'm going to put together some real references from some real sources, and then rewrite this article, because as it stands now, it's mostly fan-fic inspired, not actually factual pertaining to the series.
I think its getting pretty obvious that ancients are just humans, on the episode where they find the ancient girl in antarctica it said something about the humans being another cycle with the ancients haven previously chosen to return. I don't know, check it out. I'm not a anorak and I saw that episode eons ago -- Josquius 22:33, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
In the ending of this season, they state that the wraith are evolved from the parasite and the humans. I'm not updating the page directly because I don't have detailed references and it's messed up otherwise anyway. DÅ‚ugosz
Actually, IIRC it's only speculated at by the human main characters on account of the similarities between Wraith DNA and both humans and the tick-like bugs. They could well be wrong about it, they've been wrong about other stuff before as well (their original speculation on why Teyla could sense Wraith, for example). I don't have the detailed references handy either, but I'll continue tinkering with the article as I come across them. Bryan 00:38, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Ascention happened AFTER they left for Pegasus! They were still researching it on Atlantis!! (See Hide And Seek) This will require a pretty big rewrite.
Also, two other ways the Ancients combatted the Plague were the failed Time Machine from Window of Opprotunity and the Dakara Superweapon. I'm not as good a writer as some other people, so its probably best if someone else fixed the myriad of errors.
There are many things wrong with the history of the Ancients.
Please discuse this.
your wrong the ancients and ori seperated first and ascended second why else would they be in two different galaxies and why wouldnt the ori then know about the humans in the milky way
Why, she's a major character, she has merit for a seperate article. 21:41, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
In the interest of encyclopedic perfection, this page should be moved to Alteran as the only reason for calling the Alteran's Ancients is because no one ever knew their proper name, they were just the gate builders, the ancients, the ancestors, but now we have a proper name for them. Carterhawk 01:50, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. violet/riga (t) 14:08, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Its a well known fact that there was intermarriage between the returning Lantians and humans. Anyhow, I was wondering what theories there were as to the connection between the Romans and the Ancients as well as the simmilarity between spoken ancient and spoken latin.
Where does your information come from? All I know is, scifi.com has the Ancients listed as "Altera" or "Alterans". They have the scripts; they know more; hence what they say is correct. Thus, I am changing it all back to "Alterans", and I beleive I have the community behind me. LD 9/21/05
Since I don't want anyone reverting this, I'll refer you to Anubis' research log in "Prototype", episode 909. LD 03:20, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I disagree, for a few reasons. Just because the text was aligned to the right doesn't mean that it is read from right to left. There was some text on the top left that was aligned to the left, and not the right. In addition, Anubis was using the language as code. He could have done anything to it to make it more difficult to decypher. What Anubis used isn't necessarily pure ancient. Also, we've seen Ancient text scroll in both directions. (But mostly from right to left, showing that the text would be read from left to right.) And I was watching 'The Siege', and some text written in Ancient is aligned in either direction, so we can't really assume that to mean anything at all. Also, when they are looking at a screen in the satellite's interior, and Grodin is pointing out the location of a circuit, the text scrolls in from left to right. If a civilization read their text from right to left, they wouldn't have their computers doing that. MioTheGreat 05:27, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Just thought I would mention that in Atlantis (the city), the central staircase's writing on certain steps is upside down. This can also be seen in the Season 8 episode where Jacob/Selmak and Carter are trying to decipher the writing on the wall in the temple on Dakara and must rotate the sections of the wall 90 degrees in order to get the correct translation. There is first the question on whether or not we should go ahead and "translate" the text according to each symbol's Latin Alphabet equivalent. If that is indeed part of the process of determining which way the text is written, then it seems that when the symbols are right-side-up the text is written left to right and when the symbols are upside-down they are read right-to-left. It is possible that the creators of the show are attempting to establish that the Romans and Greeks (and whatever others) based their system of writing in both directions on this.
Cereal Killer 03:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Scifi.com is generally regarded as being someone inaccurate so I wouldn't go with that and it directly defies things shown onscreen, for example, the Glastonbury cavern in "Avalon", I translated the Ancient text into English and it was indeed left to right.
Faris b 20:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, After reading this article, and being well versed in stargate, it really seems that the layout of this article makes no sense. All the info is jumbled around in no order. Does anyone else agree that the info here needs to be re-sorted into better section titles in a diffrent order? Tobyk777 05:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Any Idea as to how it should be reorganized?
What do you think? - Tobyk777 04:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Gateworld and other sources seem to make a clear distinction between Lantians and other Ancients, this article doesnt reflect that. Any comments or ideas? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.159.57.2 ( talk • contribs) 03:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC).
I know this is probably a few months too late but here's my take on it.
The Lanteans are a different sect/faction of Ancients than the Ancients. I mean, the Ancients were only called the Ancients when they came to the Milky Way, back in the Ori galaxy they were the Alterans and when they moved to Pegasus they renamed themselves the Lanteans. It's basically like different states or countries of them to distinguish their different societies and such.
-- Faris b 08:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I added the word "presumably" to this phrase "They are presumably long since extinct", because Ancients have been discovered in suspended animation, and we don't know if there are others in suspended animation as well.-- RLent 18:48, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with the phrase, in episode "Sanctuary" of stargate atlantis, Chaya Sar a living ancient appeared on the episode although yes she contained acension powers she still lived as a normal human in the pegasus galaxy on her homeworld, and don't forget about the ancients in the Milky Way galaxy one ancients who was an Harcesis appeared on the episode "Absolute Power" of the SG-1 Series and then disapeared off to finish his journey, so i don't think is neccesary to put down presumbly extinct, if i'm wrong tell me please...... SKYNET X1000 ( talk) 19:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
"They are 'presumably' long since extinct", is a statement that I agree with as there may still be some ancients in stasis pods. The examples given by SKYNET X1000 as to why they are not extinct are very flawed. Chaya Sar is an ascended ancient. They can take the form of a normal human to walk among others. This does not count her or any other's as a living ancient as she is an ascended ancient. If Chaya Sar is counted as a living ancient then Oma Desala would have to be included as well as every other acended ancient. This dosn't make all ascended beings ancients. There are a few examples of other races ascending. Daniel Jackson, a 2nd evolution human, is the most notible example(sorry I forget the exact episode). The Harcesis is not an ancient. He is the product of 2 Goa'uld hosts, Apophis and Sha're. This make him a human/Gao'uld hybrid. Oma Desala raised him, teaching him to suppress his Goa'uld memories and urges and put him on the path to ascencion. This would make him and ascended Hybrid not ancient. Exapmles of living Ancients (who later died during the show) would include: 1) Merlin who was in stasis and then revived to help the gang in SG1. 2) The crew of the Aurora in Stargate Atlantis were all in stasis, thus still alive. Although they were to far gone to be revived they were still living at some point during the show. 3) The crew of the Aurora class ship the 'Tria' were many living ancients who were cery much alive. So much so that they were able to take back over Atlantis until they were defeted by the Azuren Replecators. 4) There was also the ancient who was found near the Ancient outpost on Earth. Although she didn't live for long after revial she was still alive. I am sure there may be more examples but that is all I can think of right now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scudz3099 ( talk • contribs) 12:24, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Difference, Comparisons and Also Known As are needed to distinguish what are the differences between "Ancients" "Lantians" "Alterans" "Ori" "Evil ascended Beengs" "Gate Builders" which are all "Ascended Beengs" being braking down to 2 groups:
1) Alterans (aka "Ancients" "Gate Builders", "Alterans", "*Lantians", "*Atlanteans", "*Lanteans")
2) "Ori" (Evil ascended Beengs)
* May or May not refer to the earth explores that came to Atlantis, or known as the SGA team.
We all known that the Ancients are the Gate builder and what we know from early season 9; and later in season 9 SG1 (season 2 SG Atlantis) We learn that Ancients (Alterans) from Atlantis arent called Atlanians but in fact referred to as "Lantians" by some wraith and other human cultures.
The Ori are ascended beengs from the Alterans home galaxy. also known as Evil Ascended beings.
Anyone feel free to correct me i know i screwed up on something accidentally.-- Gakhandal 03:28, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Please excuse me if I'm being obtuse or have missed something, but is there actually anywhere in the show where a Lantean identifies him or herself as being an Alteran or an Ancient? The reason I ask is that both Ayiana, and O'Neill when given Ancient knowledge/brain alterations, were able to perform incredible mental tasks (such as telekinesis) that has been identified as a state on the way to biological ascension. Ayiana was 5-10 million years behind the Lanteans seen in the Atlantis episodes "Before I Sleep" and "Aurora", yet none of the Lanteans seemed even vaguely capable of such tasks, nor did they seem capable of the extraordinary perception demonstrated by the Anubis clone in the SG-1 episode "Prototype". Thus, it would seem that the Ancients were on their way to biological ascension several million years before the Lanteans managed it, and even before the research into Ascension based on the energy being in (I think) "Hide and Seek".
While I grant that this is all original research, given the evidence I have presented, it seems to be no more unsubstantiated than the claim that the Ancients of Ayiana's time are the same people as the Lanteans when considering the vast differences between them. Can anyone shed light on this? -- Despair 17:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
"[Ancients] having evolved fifty million years prior to the present day and reaching their level of technology long before life had even evolved on Earth." There's been life on this planet for nearly a billion years. Is there any evidence from the shows that the Ancients are that old, or is this just an exaggeration? Jordan.Kreiger 13:10, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
No kidding. Someone apparently keeps changing this back. If someone knowns for certain please post something about it here. There is also a lot of cleanup yet some person or persons keeps reverting back to the obviously incorrect information. Aarlin81 17:55, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I just tagged this article for cleanup because the organization is so horrible in this article. I don't know how the sections were formulated, but the way they were done doesn't make sense. I have already posted my proposal for the restructuing of this article on the talk page, but I only got one response. Also, even if I got approval, it would take more than one person to get this article right. Tobyk777 23:21, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps I missed something here but I know the name Ancients was given to the Alterans by early Romans. Ori is a name later associated with the ascended being who demand worship. It's been explained that the Ancients were once called the Alterans. Unless I missed something it was never explained whether this was the original name for their race (assuming the Ancients and Ori were once one race and not two living in the same galaxy or on the same planet), or a name that they took later after separating themselves from those later known as the Ori. It seems that someone is putting a whole lot of assumptions and pressumptions into this entire article. So I have decided to fix this until someone can show otherwise. Aarlin81 22:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
This article makes it sound as if all the ancients left for the peagasus. they didn't. Many were left behind. There has been technology found in the milky way from the time period that they were in the peagasus. Also, thor stated that the asgard elevloved about 30,000 years ago. It makes sense that if the great alliance came after that, but before the Goa'uld, it was between 25000 to 10,000 years ago, when the Ancients were in the peagasus. Reading the article it seems like Ayana was the only one left behind. She wasn't. The are other subtle inacuracies in this article. Depite them, I have to say that this article is improving. When I put the cleanup tag on, it was herendous, but its a little better now. Tobyk777 06:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I just took another look at this article and did a major clean up of the history section (That section still needs alot of work). There is still alot of redundant info throughout the entire article, as well as tons of mising information throughout the entire article. Much of the article is unrefrenced, unorgaznied, and lacking of key details. For such a crucial article in Stargate, this defniately needs alot more work. Tobyk777 03:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I must say I'm surprised that my favourite WikiProject has neglected this article. Never fear, I am here. I intend to wikify and clean it all up myself... I'll make it a featured article. lol Your one true god is David P. A. Hunter, esq. III Talk to me! 09:48, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Somebody decided to put a whoe lot of "incorrections" and assumptions in the section titled Milky Way (first time). It seems that the speculation that Aiayana, already infected, was left to "restart" life in the Milky Way was not right according to their assumptions.
This supposed assumption that the Nox wouldn't exist is apparently based on the alliance of the four great races. It has been stated that the Ancients restarted life in the Milky Way. The assumption that the Nox wouldn't be around is simply WRONG. There is NO timeline given as to when the alliance was formed. Beyond the Asgard's statements that it took many millenia (a millenium is 1000 years), there is no definitive time frame present in the show. It has never been established as to how old the Nox race is either. Given that the Alterans left Earth 5 million years ago (according to the SG:A pilot "Rising") it is perfefctly safe to theorize that the Nox would have had this time to come into being. That is of course if they are even from the Milky Way originally or settled there some time later. Given that all four races have had some type of purpose for being in the Milky Way which may be how the races came into contact with each other. It is also safe to assume that after life was restarted in the Milky Way, that the Lanteans would have possibly made treks to Earth from the Pegasus galaxy (possibly to meet with other alliance members. Given that any stargate could dial Earth (until they were locked out before they evacuated to Earth which is explained in the episode "Before I Sleep") it's pretty much a given that some might have made these treks. This could also have been how they met the other races given that all members have had some reason for being in the Milky Way (Lanteans - well duh, Nox - they live their, Asgard - study/exploration, Furlings - Utopia). Aarlin81 20:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Too much of this article makes the assumption that Alterans = Ancients and has nothing to do with the Ori. In Avalon part 2 Merlin's book reads
While there has been a lot of reference to the Alterans and the Ancients, it has yet to be established that the Ori were are also not (or were once) Altera. If time allows I will start determining how to separate these two. It seems that there is enough evidence to support the original species being called Altera while Alterans being some type of off-shoot or yet another name they gave themselves is pure speculation. The use of the phrase "RACE of people must be taken into consideration. Aarlin81 20:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Where did that alphabet come from? The existence of 10 seperate digits contradicts The Fifth Race, in which it is shown (or at least heavily implied) that the Ancients used the Octal, and not the Decimal number system. ( DrZarkov 08:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC))
It was inserted into the known ancients section that Melia and Ganos Lal are one in the same. Melia is given as the name of the Atlantian/Alteran counsel member. She is also shown to be in agreement with Moros at the counsel (regarding Janus' time travel experiment). Ganos Lal is the Alteran name of ANOTHER Lantian/Alteran whose rival is Moros. Both had avatars in Atlantis. One served to greet the expedition team while the other is a teaching and search tool. "Melia and Ganos Lal are one in the same. The former is the ascended form of the latter" is just plain wrong as both are names for PRE-ASCENDED Alterans. To claim that Melia (who was in two episodes of SG:A (Rising and Before I sleep), and Ganos Lal created the educational query tool as well as the avatar in her image. Only Ganos Lal (le Fay) is known to have taken on another persona.
Aarlin81 14:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
What is that new section about? Are they going to ally with some race this year or what is that all about?
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Faris b 22:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I reverted the last edit [ [4]]. Some of the info might be salvageable but it was filled with random capitalizations and a multitude of spelling mistakes (it is spelled Ori, not Orii). No offense to the editor but it had to be reverted. Perhaps someone can go over it and get ideas for what to contribute to the article. Konman72 08:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I know I'm not the person who wrote it but in your defense, don't worry about it, I compared versions and the one that you reverted was much better, no offense to the writer of all that but the current info is much more accurate and such.
-- Faris b 08:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Anyone have the official spelling of the planet which name means "Lost in Fire"? The Gateworld.net transcript spells it "PROKLARUSH TAONAS" with a "K" rather than a "C". - TheDevilYouKnow 03:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I've never seen them wrong got any examples....
Is it just me, or are the numbers on the alphabet photo upside down? I just watched 03x09 Phantoms, and in the end you can see Weir talking to Sheppard over radio, and there's Zelenka behind here standing in front of a console, which has numbers written on it, and they're upside down (if you compare them to the photo). I remember I also saw the numbers upside down before. Comments? RypER 20:46, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
The article, particularly the history section, continues to make many unwarranted, unsourced assumptions:
There's probably other factual errors here, too, but those are the ones that jumped out at me. Westacular 08:07, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
The Ancients are an offshot of the Ori? -- SFH 22:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
according to "the fourth horseman", they once lived in the same society, were a single species, etc, all living happily together on the road to ascension... until two groups began to form, one believing in science (alterans), and one in religion (the ori). then the alterans left. wouldn't that make them an offshoot of the ori?
the situation is somewhat similar to the first pilgrims settling in america, wouldn't you say? persecuted in england, they fled to america. doesn't that make the americans (or at least some) an offshoot of the english as well? Maartentje 22:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
well, they did call themselves "altera", which is Latin for "the others". so apparently, they consider themselves rogues as well. but you're right, "the same race" does sound a bit more neutral... Maartentje 15:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
The way the show sounded to me, it is the Ori who are the minority though neither is really an 'offshot' since both divided at the same time. One could I suppose say they are both offshots of one base philosophy that splintered post ascension. In fact since the Ori can't actually take on and defeat the Ancient/Alterans I think that to some extent at least implies they are the inferior power as well (since if they could just defeat them, they would have just ruled over our galaxy from long ago) and even though the Alterans fled it wasn't because they couldn't take on the Ori, it was philosophically they couldn't bring themselves too. I think the show is trying to say or at least we can logically deduce the Ori are very much the minority not the other way around, and much of what they do is because they wish to reverse that position. Neither is an offshot of the other though, they formed at the same time from what was one people. Neither really has anymore claim to being the 'true' people then the other, though I'm sure the Ori would make that claim just as I'm sure the Alterans would never make it. [Thursday, 2007-01-11 T 16:39 UTC]
why couldn't the ancients take on the ori? their policy of non-interference (not to be confused with pacifism) only prevents ascended beings from interfering with the mortal world. As the ancients/alterans were not ascended at the time, they had no philosofical reservations against fighting the ori. but as they were forced to flee from their galaxy, they were probably confident they didn't have a chance against them. and also, just because the ancients' population grew over the millennia and eventually outnumbered the ori's doesn't mean they can't be considered an ofshoot. to continue the analogy of the english and and american people, they're a lot more americans then english too now. but technically you're right, it's more like a schism. Maartentje 18:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I thought it was unclear if she was an Ancient proper in Stargate lore? Given some of the ascended Ancients shows in both the SG-1 and Atlantis franchises recently, should a differant picture be used perhaps? One of someone/thing that is definetly an established Ancient proper? [Thursday, 2007-01-11 T 16:39 UTC]
Arent Alterans the Ancients and Ori before they decided to seperate...
I was thinking that this page should probably mention that the Ancients count in Base-8 as this is mentioned in the episode The Fifth Race and on the Base-8 page itself.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.143.29.6 ( talk • contribs) 18:25, 15 February 2007.
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Isent it Oma Desala holding daniel back?
To clarify this; the planet is called Lantia (or Lantea), and so anyone living on the planet would be a Lantian. Anyone living in the city of Atlantis is an Atlantean. "Ancients" is the current name for anyone in that race, and "Alteran" is the name they use to go by. (No Ancient has ever refered to themselves as an Alteran in the present tense, in every instance they choose the term "Ancient".)
Example!
You can be a Human, an American, and a Michiganian
They could be an Ancient, a Lantian, and an Atlantean :D
Travis Cleveland 02:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
This article is going to need some SERIOUS work. According to "The Ori: A New Enemy" documentary (Disc 1 Season 10 Special Features) the Ancients and the Ori are the same race (Alterans). However, there are NUMEROUS entries that depict the two as "Alterans and Ori" rather than "Ancients and Ori". This is also misleading as these names were likely given or assumed later (the Anceints is a name given to them by early Romans). So it seems that linking Alterans directly to Ancients is also an issue. Let's not forget too that Merlin's book referred to the race as the Altera. TheDevilYouKnow 23:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello all,
I'm new to editing wikipedia, but I have reading it for years now and I am also a big stargate fan. Anyways I wanted to talk about the main picture on this article. I believe it should be changed. For articles referring to ascended beings or ascended ancients, it is suitable. However, for the vast majority of their history, ancients were not ascended. Also all of the technology that we see today as a result of their civilization, comes from periods prior to their ascension. Because of this I do not understand why this would be chosen as the picture for ancients. In my opinion, a picture should be used of ancients prior to their ascension.
apc3161 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Apc3161 ( talk • contribs) 21:06, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Part of me don't agree with you, but however though i do understand the comment. The image for the ancient article is old, and although I've slightly started to begun editing but don't know alot of the things, still if agreed by the other users it could be changed to an image of an ancient from the Stargate Atlantis series from the pilot episode where it showed two living ancients at the beginning of the episode, where Atlantis left earth.
SKYNET X1000 19:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
There was nothing about orlan or the ancients found in the ship going .999 the speed of light near the midway station. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.17.166 ( talk) 19:50, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
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This should be a quicky, but I'm asking just in case. Pegasus Galaxy (Stargate) is pretty much a retelling of the Ancients' story, and can be covered here quite well. It's almost already a copy of Ancient (Stargate)#Pegasus Galaxy, so I wonder if anything needs to be merged at all. – sgeureka t•c 20:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Merge proposal withdrawn. I'll think of something else. – sgeureka t•c 00:27, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I was under the impression from the long, vague, and dispersed information regarding the Ancients' history that they did not all move to the Pegasus Galaxy. It's my understanding that there were several different cultural splinter groups from the Alterans - the Ori, the Ancients, and (via the Ancients) the Lanteans. This would also explain why Lantean technology and architecture looks different from Milky Way artifacts and buildings known to have been created by Ancients. It doesn't mean that the Lanteans and Ancients weren't in full and constant contact (thus why the Ancients of the Milky Way and Pegasus were never referred to as a different group post-Ascension). In this case, or even in the case that I'm wrong, I don't think Lantea was ever the homeworld to the entire Ancient race, just their main base of operations in the Pegasus Galaxy. Unless the entire population of Ancients moved from the Milky Way to Pegasus, they most properly had either two homeworlds (Earth and Lantea) or just one (Earth) and a base of operations/staging area on Lantea. Dbutler1986 ( talk) 10:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
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Try translating some of the Ancient sentences in a Latin-English translator. Kind of funny. -- Stacey Doljack Borsody ( talk) 20:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I think that the coordinate symbols on the Stargate should be added to the Language section because is is apparent from Lost City Pt. 2 that the names of planets in Ancient are also the Stargate addresses, thus making the symbols a "language" in their own right. -- 75.163.185.38 ( talk) 20:13, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I have no idea who wrote this originally, or how the people coming through previously failed to catch all of these errors, because this article is FULL of them. There are entire paragraphs of mis-information, unproven assumptions, and simply illogical statements, as well as enough grammatical errors and awkward wording to keep an editor busy for hours. I'm going through now to fix as much as possible, feel free to jump in and lend me a hand.
And a word to the idiot who originally wrote this: "You don't REALLY know what you're talking about, so please refrain from EVER writing any more about anything even remotely Stargate related." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 0beron ( talk • contribs) 01:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Did they reveal the home galaxy of the Ancients / Ori, in one of the SGU featurettes?
http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/1666/index.html
The galaxy shown behind Jackson on the monitor when he speaks about the original home galaxy is image:M33.jpg the Triangulum Galaxy.
76.66.193.224 ( talk) 11:30, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
The picture of the Ancient alphabet is wrong. It shows the numbers 0-9 but as stated in "The Fifth Race" the Ancients used base 8 math not base 10 which means the numbers would only be 0-7. -- Jimv1983 ( talk) 03:24, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
The scientific name for Humans is Homo Sapiens, what are the scientific names for other race in the StarGate universe 41.113.173.7 ( talk) 22:42, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
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Major problems with this page:
1. "And, in fact had evolved originally on Earth several million years ahead of Humans."
The ancients MAY have evolved on Earth, but it's very unlikely. According to the first episode of Star Gate: Atlantis, the ancients whole purpose in life was to reseed the galaxy with humanoid life after a plague had wiped most of it from the universe. In this means, the ancients would have seeded the Milky Way, as well as the Asgard galaxy, and probably any other race that has since developed, including us humans.
2. "However, there came a time that many of the Ancients "ascended" to a higher plane of existence (spatial) to escape a plague that was destroying their population. Around this time, one of the ancient's cities on Earth, Atlantis, left Earth and went to the Pegasus galaxy, where it settled on the huge ocean of a planet with barely any land."
The "plague" happened long before the ancients left to go to the Pagasus galaxy. The entire reason for them going was to reseed that galaxy with humanoid life. Why would they go there if the plague would just wipe out the life they seeded eventually?
3. "When the Atlantean Ancients returned, the plague was spreading."
Where are you getting this information? Are you creating it like fan-fic, or are do you actually have show references?
The Plague happened WAY before the ancients seeded ANY galaxies. It was their job to reseed the galaxy after the Plague had already killed off all living beings except the ancients (they were carriers).
4. "After breeding with the humans who had the same physical appearance, some ascended, and became god-like beings"
What?!? See, now I know you're making this up. There is not one single reference for this in the show at all. The reason why some humans (1/16,000) can use ancient technology is due to the fact that we're evolving into ancients, or rather we're evolving the neccessary biology that will allow us to be like the ancients (regeneration abilities, healing others, empathic abilities, so on). The ancients seeded planets with their DNA, and the life that evolved from that DNA will eventually have the same abilities as the ancients once had. They're repopulating their race, not having sex with cavemen.
5. "The Ancients are a member of the alliance of four great races."
The ancients WERE (past tense) part of the alliance of four great races. They're ascended now, and their rules prohibit them from interfering in lesser races advancement. They no longer contribute to the alliance, thus they're no longer members.
I'm going to put together some real references from some real sources, and then rewrite this article, because as it stands now, it's mostly fan-fic inspired, not actually factual pertaining to the series.
I think its getting pretty obvious that ancients are just humans, on the episode where they find the ancient girl in antarctica it said something about the humans being another cycle with the ancients haven previously chosen to return. I don't know, check it out. I'm not a anorak and I saw that episode eons ago -- Josquius 22:33, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
In the ending of this season, they state that the wraith are evolved from the parasite and the humans. I'm not updating the page directly because I don't have detailed references and it's messed up otherwise anyway. DÅ‚ugosz
Actually, IIRC it's only speculated at by the human main characters on account of the similarities between Wraith DNA and both humans and the tick-like bugs. They could well be wrong about it, they've been wrong about other stuff before as well (their original speculation on why Teyla could sense Wraith, for example). I don't have the detailed references handy either, but I'll continue tinkering with the article as I come across them. Bryan 00:38, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Ascention happened AFTER they left for Pegasus! They were still researching it on Atlantis!! (See Hide And Seek) This will require a pretty big rewrite.
Also, two other ways the Ancients combatted the Plague were the failed Time Machine from Window of Opprotunity and the Dakara Superweapon. I'm not as good a writer as some other people, so its probably best if someone else fixed the myriad of errors.
There are many things wrong with the history of the Ancients.
Please discuse this.
your wrong the ancients and ori seperated first and ascended second why else would they be in two different galaxies and why wouldnt the ori then know about the humans in the milky way
Why, she's a major character, she has merit for a seperate article. 21:41, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
In the interest of encyclopedic perfection, this page should be moved to Alteran as the only reason for calling the Alteran's Ancients is because no one ever knew their proper name, they were just the gate builders, the ancients, the ancestors, but now we have a proper name for them. Carterhawk 01:50, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. violet/riga (t) 14:08, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Its a well known fact that there was intermarriage between the returning Lantians and humans. Anyhow, I was wondering what theories there were as to the connection between the Romans and the Ancients as well as the simmilarity between spoken ancient and spoken latin.
Where does your information come from? All I know is, scifi.com has the Ancients listed as "Altera" or "Alterans". They have the scripts; they know more; hence what they say is correct. Thus, I am changing it all back to "Alterans", and I beleive I have the community behind me. LD 9/21/05
Since I don't want anyone reverting this, I'll refer you to Anubis' research log in "Prototype", episode 909. LD 03:20, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I disagree, for a few reasons. Just because the text was aligned to the right doesn't mean that it is read from right to left. There was some text on the top left that was aligned to the left, and not the right. In addition, Anubis was using the language as code. He could have done anything to it to make it more difficult to decypher. What Anubis used isn't necessarily pure ancient. Also, we've seen Ancient text scroll in both directions. (But mostly from right to left, showing that the text would be read from left to right.) And I was watching 'The Siege', and some text written in Ancient is aligned in either direction, so we can't really assume that to mean anything at all. Also, when they are looking at a screen in the satellite's interior, and Grodin is pointing out the location of a circuit, the text scrolls in from left to right. If a civilization read their text from right to left, they wouldn't have their computers doing that. MioTheGreat 05:27, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Just thought I would mention that in Atlantis (the city), the central staircase's writing on certain steps is upside down. This can also be seen in the Season 8 episode where Jacob/Selmak and Carter are trying to decipher the writing on the wall in the temple on Dakara and must rotate the sections of the wall 90 degrees in order to get the correct translation. There is first the question on whether or not we should go ahead and "translate" the text according to each symbol's Latin Alphabet equivalent. If that is indeed part of the process of determining which way the text is written, then it seems that when the symbols are right-side-up the text is written left to right and when the symbols are upside-down they are read right-to-left. It is possible that the creators of the show are attempting to establish that the Romans and Greeks (and whatever others) based their system of writing in both directions on this.
Cereal Killer 03:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Scifi.com is generally regarded as being someone inaccurate so I wouldn't go with that and it directly defies things shown onscreen, for example, the Glastonbury cavern in "Avalon", I translated the Ancient text into English and it was indeed left to right.
Faris b 20:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, After reading this article, and being well versed in stargate, it really seems that the layout of this article makes no sense. All the info is jumbled around in no order. Does anyone else agree that the info here needs to be re-sorted into better section titles in a diffrent order? Tobyk777 05:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Any Idea as to how it should be reorganized?
What do you think? - Tobyk777 04:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Gateworld and other sources seem to make a clear distinction between Lantians and other Ancients, this article doesnt reflect that. Any comments or ideas? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.159.57.2 ( talk • contribs) 03:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC).
I know this is probably a few months too late but here's my take on it.
The Lanteans are a different sect/faction of Ancients than the Ancients. I mean, the Ancients were only called the Ancients when they came to the Milky Way, back in the Ori galaxy they were the Alterans and when they moved to Pegasus they renamed themselves the Lanteans. It's basically like different states or countries of them to distinguish their different societies and such.
-- Faris b 08:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I added the word "presumably" to this phrase "They are presumably long since extinct", because Ancients have been discovered in suspended animation, and we don't know if there are others in suspended animation as well.-- RLent 18:48, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with the phrase, in episode "Sanctuary" of stargate atlantis, Chaya Sar a living ancient appeared on the episode although yes she contained acension powers she still lived as a normal human in the pegasus galaxy on her homeworld, and don't forget about the ancients in the Milky Way galaxy one ancients who was an Harcesis appeared on the episode "Absolute Power" of the SG-1 Series and then disapeared off to finish his journey, so i don't think is neccesary to put down presumbly extinct, if i'm wrong tell me please...... SKYNET X1000 ( talk) 19:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
"They are 'presumably' long since extinct", is a statement that I agree with as there may still be some ancients in stasis pods. The examples given by SKYNET X1000 as to why they are not extinct are very flawed. Chaya Sar is an ascended ancient. They can take the form of a normal human to walk among others. This does not count her or any other's as a living ancient as she is an ascended ancient. If Chaya Sar is counted as a living ancient then Oma Desala would have to be included as well as every other acended ancient. This dosn't make all ascended beings ancients. There are a few examples of other races ascending. Daniel Jackson, a 2nd evolution human, is the most notible example(sorry I forget the exact episode). The Harcesis is not an ancient. He is the product of 2 Goa'uld hosts, Apophis and Sha're. This make him a human/Gao'uld hybrid. Oma Desala raised him, teaching him to suppress his Goa'uld memories and urges and put him on the path to ascencion. This would make him and ascended Hybrid not ancient. Exapmles of living Ancients (who later died during the show) would include: 1) Merlin who was in stasis and then revived to help the gang in SG1. 2) The crew of the Aurora in Stargate Atlantis were all in stasis, thus still alive. Although they were to far gone to be revived they were still living at some point during the show. 3) The crew of the Aurora class ship the 'Tria' were many living ancients who were cery much alive. So much so that they were able to take back over Atlantis until they were defeted by the Azuren Replecators. 4) There was also the ancient who was found near the Ancient outpost on Earth. Although she didn't live for long after revial she was still alive. I am sure there may be more examples but that is all I can think of right now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scudz3099 ( talk • contribs) 12:24, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Difference, Comparisons and Also Known As are needed to distinguish what are the differences between "Ancients" "Lantians" "Alterans" "Ori" "Evil ascended Beengs" "Gate Builders" which are all "Ascended Beengs" being braking down to 2 groups:
1) Alterans (aka "Ancients" "Gate Builders", "Alterans", "*Lantians", "*Atlanteans", "*Lanteans")
2) "Ori" (Evil ascended Beengs)
* May or May not refer to the earth explores that came to Atlantis, or known as the SGA team.
We all known that the Ancients are the Gate builder and what we know from early season 9; and later in season 9 SG1 (season 2 SG Atlantis) We learn that Ancients (Alterans) from Atlantis arent called Atlanians but in fact referred to as "Lantians" by some wraith and other human cultures.
The Ori are ascended beengs from the Alterans home galaxy. also known as Evil Ascended beings.
Anyone feel free to correct me i know i screwed up on something accidentally.-- Gakhandal 03:28, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Please excuse me if I'm being obtuse or have missed something, but is there actually anywhere in the show where a Lantean identifies him or herself as being an Alteran or an Ancient? The reason I ask is that both Ayiana, and O'Neill when given Ancient knowledge/brain alterations, were able to perform incredible mental tasks (such as telekinesis) that has been identified as a state on the way to biological ascension. Ayiana was 5-10 million years behind the Lanteans seen in the Atlantis episodes "Before I Sleep" and "Aurora", yet none of the Lanteans seemed even vaguely capable of such tasks, nor did they seem capable of the extraordinary perception demonstrated by the Anubis clone in the SG-1 episode "Prototype". Thus, it would seem that the Ancients were on their way to biological ascension several million years before the Lanteans managed it, and even before the research into Ascension based on the energy being in (I think) "Hide and Seek".
While I grant that this is all original research, given the evidence I have presented, it seems to be no more unsubstantiated than the claim that the Ancients of Ayiana's time are the same people as the Lanteans when considering the vast differences between them. Can anyone shed light on this? -- Despair 17:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
"[Ancients] having evolved fifty million years prior to the present day and reaching their level of technology long before life had even evolved on Earth." There's been life on this planet for nearly a billion years. Is there any evidence from the shows that the Ancients are that old, or is this just an exaggeration? Jordan.Kreiger 13:10, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
No kidding. Someone apparently keeps changing this back. If someone knowns for certain please post something about it here. There is also a lot of cleanup yet some person or persons keeps reverting back to the obviously incorrect information. Aarlin81 17:55, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I just tagged this article for cleanup because the organization is so horrible in this article. I don't know how the sections were formulated, but the way they were done doesn't make sense. I have already posted my proposal for the restructuing of this article on the talk page, but I only got one response. Also, even if I got approval, it would take more than one person to get this article right. Tobyk777 23:21, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps I missed something here but I know the name Ancients was given to the Alterans by early Romans. Ori is a name later associated with the ascended being who demand worship. It's been explained that the Ancients were once called the Alterans. Unless I missed something it was never explained whether this was the original name for their race (assuming the Ancients and Ori were once one race and not two living in the same galaxy or on the same planet), or a name that they took later after separating themselves from those later known as the Ori. It seems that someone is putting a whole lot of assumptions and pressumptions into this entire article. So I have decided to fix this until someone can show otherwise. Aarlin81 22:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
This article makes it sound as if all the ancients left for the peagasus. they didn't. Many were left behind. There has been technology found in the milky way from the time period that they were in the peagasus. Also, thor stated that the asgard elevloved about 30,000 years ago. It makes sense that if the great alliance came after that, but before the Goa'uld, it was between 25000 to 10,000 years ago, when the Ancients were in the peagasus. Reading the article it seems like Ayana was the only one left behind. She wasn't. The are other subtle inacuracies in this article. Depite them, I have to say that this article is improving. When I put the cleanup tag on, it was herendous, but its a little better now. Tobyk777 06:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I just took another look at this article and did a major clean up of the history section (That section still needs alot of work). There is still alot of redundant info throughout the entire article, as well as tons of mising information throughout the entire article. Much of the article is unrefrenced, unorgaznied, and lacking of key details. For such a crucial article in Stargate, this defniately needs alot more work. Tobyk777 03:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I must say I'm surprised that my favourite WikiProject has neglected this article. Never fear, I am here. I intend to wikify and clean it all up myself... I'll make it a featured article. lol Your one true god is David P. A. Hunter, esq. III Talk to me! 09:48, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Somebody decided to put a whoe lot of "incorrections" and assumptions in the section titled Milky Way (first time). It seems that the speculation that Aiayana, already infected, was left to "restart" life in the Milky Way was not right according to their assumptions.
This supposed assumption that the Nox wouldn't exist is apparently based on the alliance of the four great races. It has been stated that the Ancients restarted life in the Milky Way. The assumption that the Nox wouldn't be around is simply WRONG. There is NO timeline given as to when the alliance was formed. Beyond the Asgard's statements that it took many millenia (a millenium is 1000 years), there is no definitive time frame present in the show. It has never been established as to how old the Nox race is either. Given that the Alterans left Earth 5 million years ago (according to the SG:A pilot "Rising") it is perfefctly safe to theorize that the Nox would have had this time to come into being. That is of course if they are even from the Milky Way originally or settled there some time later. Given that all four races have had some type of purpose for being in the Milky Way which may be how the races came into contact with each other. It is also safe to assume that after life was restarted in the Milky Way, that the Lanteans would have possibly made treks to Earth from the Pegasus galaxy (possibly to meet with other alliance members. Given that any stargate could dial Earth (until they were locked out before they evacuated to Earth which is explained in the episode "Before I Sleep") it's pretty much a given that some might have made these treks. This could also have been how they met the other races given that all members have had some reason for being in the Milky Way (Lanteans - well duh, Nox - they live their, Asgard - study/exploration, Furlings - Utopia). Aarlin81 20:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Too much of this article makes the assumption that Alterans = Ancients and has nothing to do with the Ori. In Avalon part 2 Merlin's book reads
While there has been a lot of reference to the Alterans and the Ancients, it has yet to be established that the Ori were are also not (or were once) Altera. If time allows I will start determining how to separate these two. It seems that there is enough evidence to support the original species being called Altera while Alterans being some type of off-shoot or yet another name they gave themselves is pure speculation. The use of the phrase "RACE of people must be taken into consideration. Aarlin81 20:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Where did that alphabet come from? The existence of 10 seperate digits contradicts The Fifth Race, in which it is shown (or at least heavily implied) that the Ancients used the Octal, and not the Decimal number system. ( DrZarkov 08:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC))
It was inserted into the known ancients section that Melia and Ganos Lal are one in the same. Melia is given as the name of the Atlantian/Alteran counsel member. She is also shown to be in agreement with Moros at the counsel (regarding Janus' time travel experiment). Ganos Lal is the Alteran name of ANOTHER Lantian/Alteran whose rival is Moros. Both had avatars in Atlantis. One served to greet the expedition team while the other is a teaching and search tool. "Melia and Ganos Lal are one in the same. The former is the ascended form of the latter" is just plain wrong as both are names for PRE-ASCENDED Alterans. To claim that Melia (who was in two episodes of SG:A (Rising and Before I sleep), and Ganos Lal created the educational query tool as well as the avatar in her image. Only Ganos Lal (le Fay) is known to have taken on another persona.
Aarlin81 14:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
What is that new section about? Are they going to ally with some race this year or what is that all about?
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Faris b 22:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
I reverted the last edit [ [4]]. Some of the info might be salvageable but it was filled with random capitalizations and a multitude of spelling mistakes (it is spelled Ori, not Orii). No offense to the editor but it had to be reverted. Perhaps someone can go over it and get ideas for what to contribute to the article. Konman72 08:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I know I'm not the person who wrote it but in your defense, don't worry about it, I compared versions and the one that you reverted was much better, no offense to the writer of all that but the current info is much more accurate and such.
-- Faris b 08:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Anyone have the official spelling of the planet which name means "Lost in Fire"? The Gateworld.net transcript spells it "PROKLARUSH TAONAS" with a "K" rather than a "C". - TheDevilYouKnow 03:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I've never seen them wrong got any examples....
Is it just me, or are the numbers on the alphabet photo upside down? I just watched 03x09 Phantoms, and in the end you can see Weir talking to Sheppard over radio, and there's Zelenka behind here standing in front of a console, which has numbers written on it, and they're upside down (if you compare them to the photo). I remember I also saw the numbers upside down before. Comments? RypER 20:46, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
The article, particularly the history section, continues to make many unwarranted, unsourced assumptions:
There's probably other factual errors here, too, but those are the ones that jumped out at me. Westacular 08:07, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
The Ancients are an offshot of the Ori? -- SFH 22:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
according to "the fourth horseman", they once lived in the same society, were a single species, etc, all living happily together on the road to ascension... until two groups began to form, one believing in science (alterans), and one in religion (the ori). then the alterans left. wouldn't that make them an offshoot of the ori?
the situation is somewhat similar to the first pilgrims settling in america, wouldn't you say? persecuted in england, they fled to america. doesn't that make the americans (or at least some) an offshoot of the english as well? Maartentje 22:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
well, they did call themselves "altera", which is Latin for "the others". so apparently, they consider themselves rogues as well. but you're right, "the same race" does sound a bit more neutral... Maartentje 15:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
The way the show sounded to me, it is the Ori who are the minority though neither is really an 'offshot' since both divided at the same time. One could I suppose say they are both offshots of one base philosophy that splintered post ascension. In fact since the Ori can't actually take on and defeat the Ancient/Alterans I think that to some extent at least implies they are the inferior power as well (since if they could just defeat them, they would have just ruled over our galaxy from long ago) and even though the Alterans fled it wasn't because they couldn't take on the Ori, it was philosophically they couldn't bring themselves too. I think the show is trying to say or at least we can logically deduce the Ori are very much the minority not the other way around, and much of what they do is because they wish to reverse that position. Neither is an offshot of the other though, they formed at the same time from what was one people. Neither really has anymore claim to being the 'true' people then the other, though I'm sure the Ori would make that claim just as I'm sure the Alterans would never make it. [Thursday, 2007-01-11 T 16:39 UTC]
why couldn't the ancients take on the ori? their policy of non-interference (not to be confused with pacifism) only prevents ascended beings from interfering with the mortal world. As the ancients/alterans were not ascended at the time, they had no philosofical reservations against fighting the ori. but as they were forced to flee from their galaxy, they were probably confident they didn't have a chance against them. and also, just because the ancients' population grew over the millennia and eventually outnumbered the ori's doesn't mean they can't be considered an ofshoot. to continue the analogy of the english and and american people, they're a lot more americans then english too now. but technically you're right, it's more like a schism. Maartentje 18:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I thought it was unclear if she was an Ancient proper in Stargate lore? Given some of the ascended Ancients shows in both the SG-1 and Atlantis franchises recently, should a differant picture be used perhaps? One of someone/thing that is definetly an established Ancient proper? [Thursday, 2007-01-11 T 16:39 UTC]
Arent Alterans the Ancients and Ori before they decided to seperate...
I was thinking that this page should probably mention that the Ancients count in Base-8 as this is mentioned in the episode The Fifth Race and on the Base-8 page itself.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.143.29.6 ( talk • contribs) 18:25, 15 February 2007.
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Isent it Oma Desala holding daniel back?
To clarify this; the planet is called Lantia (or Lantea), and so anyone living on the planet would be a Lantian. Anyone living in the city of Atlantis is an Atlantean. "Ancients" is the current name for anyone in that race, and "Alteran" is the name they use to go by. (No Ancient has ever refered to themselves as an Alteran in the present tense, in every instance they choose the term "Ancient".)
Example!
You can be a Human, an American, and a Michiganian
They could be an Ancient, a Lantian, and an Atlantean :D
Travis Cleveland 02:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
This article is going to need some SERIOUS work. According to "The Ori: A New Enemy" documentary (Disc 1 Season 10 Special Features) the Ancients and the Ori are the same race (Alterans). However, there are NUMEROUS entries that depict the two as "Alterans and Ori" rather than "Ancients and Ori". This is also misleading as these names were likely given or assumed later (the Anceints is a name given to them by early Romans). So it seems that linking Alterans directly to Ancients is also an issue. Let's not forget too that Merlin's book referred to the race as the Altera. TheDevilYouKnow 23:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello all,
I'm new to editing wikipedia, but I have reading it for years now and I am also a big stargate fan. Anyways I wanted to talk about the main picture on this article. I believe it should be changed. For articles referring to ascended beings or ascended ancients, it is suitable. However, for the vast majority of their history, ancients were not ascended. Also all of the technology that we see today as a result of their civilization, comes from periods prior to their ascension. Because of this I do not understand why this would be chosen as the picture for ancients. In my opinion, a picture should be used of ancients prior to their ascension.
apc3161 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Apc3161 ( talk • contribs) 21:06, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Part of me don't agree with you, but however though i do understand the comment. The image for the ancient article is old, and although I've slightly started to begun editing but don't know alot of the things, still if agreed by the other users it could be changed to an image of an ancient from the Stargate Atlantis series from the pilot episode where it showed two living ancients at the beginning of the episode, where Atlantis left earth.
SKYNET X1000 19:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
There was nothing about orlan or the ancients found in the ship going .999 the speed of light near the midway station. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.17.166 ( talk) 19:50, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Image:Atlantisvrroom.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot 12:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Image:Ayiana looking at Jonas.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot 07:38, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
This should be a quicky, but I'm asking just in case. Pegasus Galaxy (Stargate) is pretty much a retelling of the Ancients' story, and can be covered here quite well. It's almost already a copy of Ancient (Stargate)#Pegasus Galaxy, so I wonder if anything needs to be merged at all. – sgeureka t•c 20:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Merge proposal withdrawn. I'll think of something else. – sgeureka t•c 00:27, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I was under the impression from the long, vague, and dispersed information regarding the Ancients' history that they did not all move to the Pegasus Galaxy. It's my understanding that there were several different cultural splinter groups from the Alterans - the Ori, the Ancients, and (via the Ancients) the Lanteans. This would also explain why Lantean technology and architecture looks different from Milky Way artifacts and buildings known to have been created by Ancients. It doesn't mean that the Lanteans and Ancients weren't in full and constant contact (thus why the Ancients of the Milky Way and Pegasus were never referred to as a different group post-Ascension). In this case, or even in the case that I'm wrong, I don't think Lantea was ever the homeworld to the entire Ancient race, just their main base of operations in the Pegasus Galaxy. Unless the entire population of Ancients moved from the Milky Way to Pegasus, they most properly had either two homeworlds (Earth and Lantea) or just one (Earth) and a base of operations/staging area on Lantea. Dbutler1986 ( talk) 10:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 18:41, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Try translating some of the Ancient sentences in a Latin-English translator. Kind of funny. -- Stacey Doljack Borsody ( talk) 20:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
I think that the coordinate symbols on the Stargate should be added to the Language section because is is apparent from Lost City Pt. 2 that the names of planets in Ancient are also the Stargate addresses, thus making the symbols a "language" in their own right. -- 75.163.185.38 ( talk) 20:13, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I have no idea who wrote this originally, or how the people coming through previously failed to catch all of these errors, because this article is FULL of them. There are entire paragraphs of mis-information, unproven assumptions, and simply illogical statements, as well as enough grammatical errors and awkward wording to keep an editor busy for hours. I'm going through now to fix as much as possible, feel free to jump in and lend me a hand.
And a word to the idiot who originally wrote this: "You don't REALLY know what you're talking about, so please refrain from EVER writing any more about anything even remotely Stargate related." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 0beron ( talk • contribs) 01:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Did they reveal the home galaxy of the Ancients / Ori, in one of the SGU featurettes?
http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/1666/index.html
The galaxy shown behind Jackson on the monitor when he speaks about the original home galaxy is image:M33.jpg the Triangulum Galaxy.
76.66.193.224 ( talk) 11:30, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
The picture of the Ancient alphabet is wrong. It shows the numbers 0-9 but as stated in "The Fifth Race" the Ancients used base 8 math not base 10 which means the numbers would only be 0-7. -- Jimv1983 ( talk) 03:24, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
The scientific name for Humans is Homo Sapiens, what are the scientific names for other race in the StarGate universe 41.113.173.7 ( talk) 22:42, 13 May 2022 (UTC)