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Whoever wrote this page clearly has a very poor understanding of the subject. Here's an example: " Claiming descendency from Moqui people (called Anasazi by the Navajo), the Hopi people refer to their homelands as Dinétah. Dinétah is composed loosely of northwestern New Mexico, southwestern Colorado, southeastern Utah, and northeastern Arizona."
Wow. Where to start? "Moqui" is what the Spanish called the Hopi. It is not another name for the Ancestral Puebloan people, also known as the Anasazi. Second of all, Dinétah is what the NAVAJO call their homelands, not the Hopi. If you think the Navajo and Hopi are the same, or if you confuse the two, you shouldn't be writing whole articles about history, cultures, peoples, or really anything related to the southwest in any way at all until you learn the difference. -- ಠ_ಠ node.ue ಠ_ಠ ( talk) 08:31, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
The problem is, where to start to fix this article and the articles that were later created from it? It's incorrect to call all the cultures that had stone or cliff dwellings "Ancestral Puebloans." This article states, "The ancestral Puebloan cultures include the Fremont, Hohokam, Mogollon, Patayan, Sinagua, Salado, Trincheras and Rio Sonora people", but as the Ancestral Puebloan article points out, these are neighboring cultures, not Ancestral Puebloans. Perhaps all the articles would be better named as "Oasisamerica culture dwellings." Oasisamerica is the term used for the whole cultural region of the ancient Southwest. The individual state pages have titles such as "List of Ancestral Puebloan dwellings in Arizona", but then list not only Ancestral Puebloans, but all the other cultures as well. The article is supposed to be about Ancestral Publoans, but then it also lists modern pueblos, which is out of place. I feel that the articles either need to be renamed, or the contents restricted to only Ancestral Puebloan sites such as the Chaco Canyon sites. The latter choice would possibly necessitate new articles for the other cultures, such as Hohokam archaeological sites, as well. In other words, extensive changes need to be made to this whole set of articles. — ★ Parsa ☞ talk 19:26, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
but found it very hard to navigate, so am inclined to alphabetize the state by the name of the ruin. if you don't think this is a good idea you have about 7 minutes to speak up. EInar aka Carptrash ( talk) 21:41, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
But then I discover Old Fort Ruin and it seems to be a Navaho ruin. , So, are the Navahos Pueblo peoples? I think not. So, assuming that I am correct, what do we do about it. Re-name the list? Remove Navaho ruins? Reduce the whole article to a ruin? WHAT? Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 23:04, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
I must confess that I am inclined (given all the work that has gone on here) to leave the Navaho in a bit longer and consider changing the name of the list. Carptrash ( talk) 00:04, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I am very much liking what you have done here and will support you in whatever direction you go in. Not that you need support, but you get it anyway. Carptrash ( talk) 00:44, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
from the description part of Bandelier because it probably got there by mistake. "Ruins located in Mesa Verde National Park."
I added "Pueblo" back in just to make the alphabetizing work better. Also, tho, it is usually in the names. I'n an inclusionist, so I put them in but I will cheerfully defer to you should you wish to remove them. What do you think of the alphabetizing as a process? NM is not finished, but ( opinion) it makes it easier to navigate.
WOW. You are a man of action. When I get to it, I'll add Poshouoinge to the New Mexico sites. I looked to see if I could find my pictures from several years ago, to no avail. Since it is much less than a tank of gas away I will try to get there soon and post it. Right now I am getting sidetracked by the Jicarilla War and the White Massacre - coming soon to a screen near you. Good night, and nice to have met you. Carptrash ( talk) 02:18, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of ancient dwellings of Pueblo peoples's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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To address the lengthiness of the article I have forked several into their own namespace. We now have:
Let me know if you have any ideas or concerns! • Freechild talk 23:33, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
This and all the related articles include all precontact Southwestern (and the Fremont cultures) as being "Ancestral Pueblo." I tried to find scholarly archaeological writings that might have expanded the definition of "Ancestral Puebloan" but couldn't find any, so rewrote the uncited declaration that Hohokam, Mogollon, etc. etc. were Ancestral Pueblo. These articles either need to be renamed (Archaeological dwellings of the Southwest ??) or have the non-Ancestral Pueblo sites removed. Yuchitown ( talk) 21:56, 15 November 2015 (UTC)Yuchitown
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Whoever wrote this page clearly has a very poor understanding of the subject. Here's an example: " Claiming descendency from Moqui people (called Anasazi by the Navajo), the Hopi people refer to their homelands as Dinétah. Dinétah is composed loosely of northwestern New Mexico, southwestern Colorado, southeastern Utah, and northeastern Arizona."
Wow. Where to start? "Moqui" is what the Spanish called the Hopi. It is not another name for the Ancestral Puebloan people, also known as the Anasazi. Second of all, Dinétah is what the NAVAJO call their homelands, not the Hopi. If you think the Navajo and Hopi are the same, or if you confuse the two, you shouldn't be writing whole articles about history, cultures, peoples, or really anything related to the southwest in any way at all until you learn the difference. -- ಠ_ಠ node.ue ಠ_ಠ ( talk) 08:31, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
The problem is, where to start to fix this article and the articles that were later created from it? It's incorrect to call all the cultures that had stone or cliff dwellings "Ancestral Puebloans." This article states, "The ancestral Puebloan cultures include the Fremont, Hohokam, Mogollon, Patayan, Sinagua, Salado, Trincheras and Rio Sonora people", but as the Ancestral Puebloan article points out, these are neighboring cultures, not Ancestral Puebloans. Perhaps all the articles would be better named as "Oasisamerica culture dwellings." Oasisamerica is the term used for the whole cultural region of the ancient Southwest. The individual state pages have titles such as "List of Ancestral Puebloan dwellings in Arizona", but then list not only Ancestral Puebloans, but all the other cultures as well. The article is supposed to be about Ancestral Publoans, but then it also lists modern pueblos, which is out of place. I feel that the articles either need to be renamed, or the contents restricted to only Ancestral Puebloan sites such as the Chaco Canyon sites. The latter choice would possibly necessitate new articles for the other cultures, such as Hohokam archaeological sites, as well. In other words, extensive changes need to be made to this whole set of articles. — ★ Parsa ☞ talk 19:26, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
but found it very hard to navigate, so am inclined to alphabetize the state by the name of the ruin. if you don't think this is a good idea you have about 7 minutes to speak up. EInar aka Carptrash ( talk) 21:41, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
But then I discover Old Fort Ruin and it seems to be a Navaho ruin. , So, are the Navahos Pueblo peoples? I think not. So, assuming that I am correct, what do we do about it. Re-name the list? Remove Navaho ruins? Reduce the whole article to a ruin? WHAT? Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 23:04, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
I must confess that I am inclined (given all the work that has gone on here) to leave the Navaho in a bit longer and consider changing the name of the list. Carptrash ( talk) 00:04, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I am very much liking what you have done here and will support you in whatever direction you go in. Not that you need support, but you get it anyway. Carptrash ( talk) 00:44, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
from the description part of Bandelier because it probably got there by mistake. "Ruins located in Mesa Verde National Park."
I added "Pueblo" back in just to make the alphabetizing work better. Also, tho, it is usually in the names. I'n an inclusionist, so I put them in but I will cheerfully defer to you should you wish to remove them. What do you think of the alphabetizing as a process? NM is not finished, but ( opinion) it makes it easier to navigate.
WOW. You are a man of action. When I get to it, I'll add Poshouoinge to the New Mexico sites. I looked to see if I could find my pictures from several years ago, to no avail. Since it is much less than a tank of gas away I will try to get there soon and post it. Right now I am getting sidetracked by the Jicarilla War and the White Massacre - coming soon to a screen near you. Good night, and nice to have met you. Carptrash ( talk) 02:18, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of ancient dwellings of Pueblo peoples's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "NPS-VG":
Reference named "GibbonAmes377":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 10:27, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
To address the lengthiness of the article I have forked several into their own namespace. We now have:
Let me know if you have any ideas or concerns! • Freechild talk 23:33, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
This and all the related articles include all precontact Southwestern (and the Fremont cultures) as being "Ancestral Pueblo." I tried to find scholarly archaeological writings that might have expanded the definition of "Ancestral Puebloan" but couldn't find any, so rewrote the uncited declaration that Hohokam, Mogollon, etc. etc. were Ancestral Pueblo. These articles either need to be renamed (Archaeological dwellings of the Southwest ??) or have the non-Ancestral Pueblo sites removed. Yuchitown ( talk) 21:56, 15 November 2015 (UTC)Yuchitown
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