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The attempts to make this article more balanced were good in theory, but rather poorly applied. The first sentence of this article indicates that its subject matter is the anarchist critique of capitalism. However, many of the passages have been greatly altered to reflect capitalist views of their own economic system, rather than anarchist critiques of it. It is fine to explicate such views here, but they need to be properly labeled as the views of capitalists, not the voice of wikipedia, and the actual critiques of the anarchists need to be put back in where they were replaced. As it stands this article is no longer actually describing anarchist views, but rather a mismash of anarchist and capitalist views which are unattributed and thus come across as incomprehensible when read all the way through. I'm tempted to revert back to an earlier version, because working to make all these passages reflect their subject matter will be silly if it is all going to be re-inserted by folks who apparently aren't willing to simply allow a description of the anarchist critique to stand on its own merits. Kev 10:28, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
One thing at a time, please. If anarchists promote strawman arguments, then so be it, because those are the arguments they make. Rewriting the arguments to your own understanding and speculations of what anarchists would argue is original research. If you wish to update or correct the arguments, please attribute sources -- ie anarchist writers. The changes you've made sound like they're straight off the top of your head.
On another note, presenting the arguments in a technical style point-by-point would make it a lot clearer. Let's also think about how we can break up those huge blocks of rambling text. -- albamuth 04:45, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The anarchist FAQ may be a convenient resource for these arguments, but all of them should be bulleted and attributed to a source, rather than left as broad, unfounded generalizations. -- albamuth 08:20, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Because of the ongoing, unsettled debate in Talk:Anarchism, I feel it is premature to start using the neologism anarcho-socialism. However, to avoid spilling the edit war over to this page, I won't change references to "anarcho-socialists" over to "anarchists" just yet. Secondly, it only seems to matter on the section on private property -- the problem seems to be how to distinguish Tucker/Spooner and other individualist-anarchists from previous, traditional anarchists that believed in only having personal property and collective property. Perhaps we should look more closely at the Individualists' definition of private property?
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The attempts to make this article more balanced were good in theory, but rather poorly applied. The first sentence of this article indicates that its subject matter is the anarchist critique of capitalism. However, many of the passages have been greatly altered to reflect capitalist views of their own economic system, rather than anarchist critiques of it. It is fine to explicate such views here, but they need to be properly labeled as the views of capitalists, not the voice of wikipedia, and the actual critiques of the anarchists need to be put back in where they were replaced. As it stands this article is no longer actually describing anarchist views, but rather a mismash of anarchist and capitalist views which are unattributed and thus come across as incomprehensible when read all the way through. I'm tempted to revert back to an earlier version, because working to make all these passages reflect their subject matter will be silly if it is all going to be re-inserted by folks who apparently aren't willing to simply allow a description of the anarchist critique to stand on its own merits. Kev 10:28, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
One thing at a time, please. If anarchists promote strawman arguments, then so be it, because those are the arguments they make. Rewriting the arguments to your own understanding and speculations of what anarchists would argue is original research. If you wish to update or correct the arguments, please attribute sources -- ie anarchist writers. The changes you've made sound like they're straight off the top of your head.
On another note, presenting the arguments in a technical style point-by-point would make it a lot clearer. Let's also think about how we can break up those huge blocks of rambling text. -- albamuth 04:45, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The anarchist FAQ may be a convenient resource for these arguments, but all of them should be bulleted and attributed to a source, rather than left as broad, unfounded generalizations. -- albamuth 08:20, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Because of the ongoing, unsettled debate in Talk:Anarchism, I feel it is premature to start using the neologism anarcho-socialism. However, to avoid spilling the edit war over to this page, I won't change references to "anarcho-socialists" over to "anarchists" just yet. Secondly, it only seems to matter on the section on private property -- the problem seems to be how to distinguish Tucker/Spooner and other individualist-anarchists from previous, traditional anarchists that believed in only having personal property and collective property. Perhaps we should look more closely at the Individualists' definition of private property?