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The wikipedia article on "libertarianism" has acknoledged the fact that using "libertarianism" to denote pro-capitalist views is mostly a US tendency while in the rest of the world "libertarian" has been used since the 19th century as a synonym for "anarchist". A long discussion there has come to this agreement as so this is something that informs the current state of that article. As such saying that there is only one type of "libertarian anarchism"-namely anarchocapitalism-will be highly problematic since in the rest of the world and even in the US anarchists have used "libertarian" to refer to themselves. I say even in the US since currently there exists a platformist organization there which is called Common Struggle – Libertarian Communist Federation. So as examples of this there are current and past anarchist newspapers such as the current venezuelan and argentinian newspapers called El Libertario and the past french from the 19th century Le Libertaire who did not use "anarchist libertarian" but just "libertarian" to refer to themselves. In this sense saying something like "libertarian anarchism" will be a bad case of redundancy in a word similar to saying something like "fascist nazism" or "socialist communism". All anarchism is libertarian by definition just as all nazism is fascist as well as all communism is socialist. So saying there is one particular position which will be THE "libertarian anarchism" will be absurd.-- Eduen ( talk) 19:34, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
The provided source says "The form of anarchism that accepts this radical notion of freedom, our freedom to bind ourselves, I call libertarian anarchism." That is, the author is referring to his own use of the phrase "libertarian anarchism", not making any claim that that phrase is commonly used. Indeed, the fact that the author writes "I call" rather than "is called" suggests that he is introducing a novel or unusual phrase, and that "libertarian anarchism" is not commonly used to refer to this position. We should only include the phrase "libertarian anarchism" in this article if it is widely used, and the provided source does not say that the phrase is widely used. So, on the basis of that source, I don't think we should include the phrase "libertarian anarchism" as a synonym for "anarchocapitalism" in the article. VoluntarySlave ( talk) 13:03, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
the article is rated as "good" (but I don't know who reviewed). Its more than a little POV to gloss over the various aspects of anarchism such as the more right-leaning anarcho capitalism. I don't even see it as a section, yet the more FRINGE "free love" geta mentioned. Im not tagging or questing review yet, but we need to sort this out( Lihaas ( talk) 14:39, 26 April 2014 (UTC)).
Hello, people. Important pages of the history of Spain are very little known, even in Spain herself. And some of them include that since very ancient times we have traditional institutions that well could be calified of "Anarchist". These institutions were created after the Moors invasions of 711, between the centuries 8 and 9, but some experts say that before the Roman conquest of Spain there could have been some similar institutions among the Celt and Iberian tribes in Spain. These institutions may be called "Anarchist" because in them people had community of properties, decisions were taken in popular meetings, and the laws or Constitutions (Fueros in Spanish) were very popular. In these lands the kings had very few rights, only 3 or 4 rights. These institutions lasted many centuries and were originated in the kingdom of Castile. Soon, they were carried to Bascony (or Basque Country), and the kingdoms of Navarre and Aragon. For more information, you can go to the Wikipedia in Spanish and read articles like "Comunidad de Villa y Tierra", "Behetria" and "Anselmo Carretero". For the version in Aragon, you can read "Comunidad de Aldeas". thankyou !!-- 83.61.78.86 ( talk) 16:27, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Why in the world is the Occupy Movement listed under the "History" dropdown menu of the Anarchism pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.219.170.95 ( talk) 19:56, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
FYI, the scope and purpose of the anarchy article is under discussion, see talk:anarchy where it is proposed to be merged to stateless society -- 65.94.171.126 ( talk) 06:23, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
In my view, the satirical article is a good addition to the 'external links' section. It provides an interesting, fresh perspective and a relevant, important view. I believe this WP article is well-written, interesting, informative and useful, but it is also somewhat dry, humorless and could benefit from an external link to a small dose of humor. I don't see anything wrong with adding the satire to the article.
Humanity Surprised It Still Hasn’t Figured Out A Better Alternative To Letting Power-Hungry Assholes Decide Everything (2014-06-25), The Onion.
Thanks and regards, IjonTichy ( talk) 23:21, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
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The central tendency of anarchism as a social movement has been represented by anarcho-communism and anarcho-syndicalism, with individualist anarchism being primarily a literary phenomenon [1] which nevertheless did have an impact on the bigger currents [2] and individualists have also participated in large anarchist organisations. [3] [4] Many anarchists oppose all forms of aggression, supporting self-defense or non-violence ( anarcho-pacifism), [5] [6] while others have supported the use of some coercive measures, including violent revolution and propaganda of the deed as means to achieve anarchist ends. [7] 99.130.166.85 ( talk) 07:02, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
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PLEASE CHANGE: Many anarchists oppose all forms of aggression, supporting self-defense or non-violence ( anarcho-pacifism), [5] [6] while others have supported the use of some coercive measures, including violent revolution and propaganda of the deed, on the path to an anarchist society. [7] Many anarchists oppose all forms of aggression, supporting self-defense or non-violence ( anarcho-pacifism), [5] [6] while others have supported revolution and propaganda of the deed as means to achieve anarchist ends. [7]
TO: Many anarchists oppose all forms of aggression, supporting self-defense or non-violence ( anarcho-pacifism), [5] [6] while others have supported the use of some coercive measures, including violent revolution and propaganda of the deed as means to achieve anarchist ends. [7]
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the link [[Category:Anarchism| ]] should be changed to [[Category:Anarchism]] Sleepyteddybear ( talk) 13:35, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
I will have to ask user Leosylvester mainly this question. ¿Why does he think green anarchism deserves more, and even preferential space, over other non classical currents? As a secondary question i will have to ask him ¿why would he think green anarchism has been more influential or important than the other currents mentioned in "post classical currents"? Frankly i don´t see how green anarchism is more influential or important than, say insurrectionist anarchism, anarcha-feminism, synthesis anarchism or platformism. I cannot think that also while thinking in the main general sources on anarchism, or mentions or entries of anarchism in political or general encyclopedias. There more or less i have given user Leosylvester places where to look for support for his proposal. Clearly he has to answer these questions here with that kind of support, otherwise his proposals just cannot go.-- Eduen ( talk) 22:17, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
This mainly to respond to user Zosz and i will be glad to have an exchange with him here on this issue. In the first source it is described how CNT workers and FAI members read individualist anarchist publications in 1920s and 1930s Spain. We are speaking mainly of publications such as Iniciales, La Revista Blanca, Nosotros and others which are dealt in the work by catalan historian titled El anarquismo individualista en España: 1923–1938. (Individualist anarchism in Spain). I understand if he does not speak spanish but anyone can check this book which is on a copyleft license on the internet. So the individualist anarchist publications were read by people from those two organizations and if one read more this work one will see that the eclectic nature of those publications included treatment of issues beyond workerist matters and so they dealt with sexuality and birth control, religion and freethought, as well as with literature and the arts and more specific themes within spanish anarchism such as anarcho-naturism, among other themes. That is clearly an inpact on the wider spanish anarchist movement. This historical work also mentions how individualist also established infoshops-or as they call them there "Ateneos libertarios"-and the fact that J. Elizalde was even a secretary general of the Iberian Anarchist Federation. In the case of the postwar Italian Anarchist Federation, the individualist anarchist Cesare Zaccaria was one of the main personalities in its establishment. All of this shows that individualist anarchist have not just participated in the big anarchist organizations but also could have important roles in them. An individualist anarchists like Emile Armand was also an important name beyond the french anarchist movement and his influence and notoriety could go as fas as Argentina such as when the lover of italian-argentinian anarchist Severino Di Giovanni, America Scarfó, actually wrote a letter to Armand asking for his advice as far as his relationship with Di Giovanni. This shows Armand was considered a sort of authority on matters of love and sex within the anarchist movement of his time. In general individualist anarchists have not just voiced their opinions in forums but also published maganizes, newspapers and books and gave conferences and all of these were not only listened by individualist anarchists but by a big part of the wider anarchist movements of their time. This since Max Stirner published his main work The ego and his own until more recent times when a big name in anarchism like Murray Bookchin had to go as far as to write the book Social Anarchism or Lifestyle Anarchism in order to criticize a self described individualist anarchist like Hakim Bey along others anarchists belonging to the post-left anarchy tendency incluiding the stirnerist author Bob Black. As such, clearly individualist anarchism is having an impact on the wider anarchist movement through all of these activities and interventions. As far as the second affirmation i already mentioned how individualist anarchists could also join the bigger important anarchist organizations of their time. I can also add how the spanish individualist anarchist Miguel Giménez Igualada was also a member of the CNT trade union and the source which supports these affirmations mention how the french individualists Charles-Auguste Bontemps, Georges Vincey and André Arru also belonged to the post war Fédération Anarchiste. In the end the mere acknoledgement of the fact of the existence of individualist anarchism as a tendency is already a fact of impact in the anarchist movement as a whole. This so much so as to motivate a sector of the anarchist movement to come up with the label "social anarchism" in order to distinguish itself from individualist anarchism. But in general its existence caused an important debate over it in which anarchists as prominent as Errico Malatesta and Emma Goldman intervened, and in the case of Goldman in defense of individualism and of individualist authors like Stirner and Nietzsche.
To user Zosz i can say that i can very well respond to any of his doubts and i invite him to express his criticisms to these contents in this space where they should be dealt with and not just in edit summaries of editions. This is the second time that same user deletes these contents from the introduction and so i think we can ask him to support and to debate his views here, and this especially since his edits are in the introduction. I also advise that user to check the wikipedia article on individualist anarchism in order to assess the place and influence of individualist anarchism within the wider anarchist movement.-- Eduen ( talk) 08:52, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
- Of the two, social anarchists (communist-anarchists, anarcho-syndicalists and so on) have always been the vast majority, with individualist anarchism being restricted mostly to the United States.
— McKay, Iain (2011). The Anarchist FAQ. The Anarchist Library. p. 138.
- Although anarchist communism was perhaps the most influential anarchist doctrine, soon spreading throughout Europe, Latin America and later Asia, the First International had bequeathed to the anarchist movement another doctrine of comparable significance, anarcho-syndicalism (Chapter 1 2), a combination of anarchism and revolutionary trade unionism based on direct action (Chapter 1 0) and anti-parliamentarianism.
- Of lesser significance were anarchist collectivism (Selections 36 and 55), where distribution of wealth was to be based on labour, and individualist anarchism (Selections 42 and 6 1 ), which for the most part was but a footnote to Max Stirner (Selection 1 1 ).
— Graham, Robert (2005). "Preface". In Anarchism: A Documentary History of Libertarian Ideas, Volume One: From Anarchy to Anarchism (300CE to 1939). Montréal, CA: Black Rose Books. p. xiii.
There is a difference between the generally-accepted, standard dictionary definitions and the apparently largely personal definitions by some academics given here, so I made this change:
1st edit: addition of the dictionary definition of “anarchism” with a reference listing six dictionary definitions to that effect:
Anarchism is a doctrine advocating the abolition of government. [8] Some use the term to mean...[resumes from previous material].
2nd edit: addition of connecting material to an already-given individual academic definition:
In that definition, ...[resumes from previous material].
This was a straightforward addition of one reliable source reference (and minimal connecting material) totalling only 486 characters (most of which were taken up by the reference), without removing any previous material, but was reverted by User:Helpsome on the grounds that “a change this large needs discussion”. Do many others share Helpsome’s objection before I re-insert it? FivePillarPurist ( talk) 20:20, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Anarchism is a political philosophy that advocates stateless societies often defined as self-governed voluntary institutions, but that several authors have defined as more specific institutions based on non-hierarchical free associations. Anarchism holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, or harmful. While anti-statism is central, anarchism entails opposing authority or hierarchical organisation in the conduct of human relations, including, but not limited to, the state system.
Anarchism is a doctrine advocating the abolition of government. Some use the term to mean a political philosophy that advocates stateless societies often defined as self-governed voluntary institutions, but that several authors have defined as more specific institutions based on non-hierarchical free associations. In that definition, anarchism holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, or harmful. While anti-statism is central, anarchism entails opposing authority or hierarchical organisation in the conduct of human relations, including, but not limited to, the state system
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Within the synthesist anarchist organisation, the Fédération Anarchiste, there existed an individualist anarchist tendency alongside anarcho-communist and anarchosyndicalist currents. Individualist anarchists participating inside the Fédération Anarchiste included Charles-Auguste Bontemps, Georges Vincey and André Arru.
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Surely describing anarchism as subtle goes against a NPOV? My shorter OED 5th edition defines subtle as "(of a thing) ingenious, cleverly designed, skilfully contrived". I very slightly modified the wording to remove subtle from the introduction but this change has been reverted twice. I would be interested to hear what descriptive power you think subtle adds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enlightened editor ( talk • contribs) 14:25, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
The opening of this article says, "Anarchism is usually considered a radical left-wing ideology." This statement is no doubt true, although the person who wrote it saw fit to include the qualifier "usually" so as not to make the statement absolute. I call attention to the statement because more and more frequently I see the term "right-wing anarchist." For example, the publisher's description of T.C. Boyle's new novel calls its characters "right-wing anarchists who refuse to acknowledge the laws and regulations of the state, considering them to be false and non-applicable." Should this article cover "right-wing anarchism"? I'd like to know more about this strain of anarchism. Chisme ( talk) 17:40, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
I propose the following in order to keep this article in similar standards to those of other political ideologies within english language wikipedia such as conservatism, socialism, liberalism and fascism. All of these articles have a short historical paragraph in the intro and the anarchism article also had that but the historical paragraph was taken out due to a debate which showed important weakenesses in it. I propose this draft of a paragraph for consideration with the hopes of improving it and adding the needed references to support the affirmations within it. As such I am open to hearing opinions and contributions to it but also having in mind that it cannot be significantly different in lenght to this proposal which i present here:
I suggest merging the article Criticisms of anarchism with anarchism to avoid a POV fork. criticismS (multiple) is just showing that the article is a different POV than Anarchism which is not NPOV. The article is small only a few hundred words we can easily work it into the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryce Carmony ( talk • contribs) 19:34, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Hey Liam, I'm looking at a list on advance search and it gives me "Criticism of" 150ish of them. the reason I made one for anarchism is that it's only 100 words long (so it would be the easiest to merge) I have suggested mergers for a lot of "Criticism of" articles. Google, Microsoft, Apple Inc., eBay, Dish Network, Comcast, and a few others. I think that we are straying from NPOV when we say "critical goes one article non critical goes to another." I think articles are best when they have one article with both sides represented NPOV, not giving undue weight to criticism but not burying it either. Bryce Carmony ( talk) 23:42, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
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The wikipedia article on "libertarianism" has acknoledged the fact that using "libertarianism" to denote pro-capitalist views is mostly a US tendency while in the rest of the world "libertarian" has been used since the 19th century as a synonym for "anarchist". A long discussion there has come to this agreement as so this is something that informs the current state of that article. As such saying that there is only one type of "libertarian anarchism"-namely anarchocapitalism-will be highly problematic since in the rest of the world and even in the US anarchists have used "libertarian" to refer to themselves. I say even in the US since currently there exists a platformist organization there which is called Common Struggle – Libertarian Communist Federation. So as examples of this there are current and past anarchist newspapers such as the current venezuelan and argentinian newspapers called El Libertario and the past french from the 19th century Le Libertaire who did not use "anarchist libertarian" but just "libertarian" to refer to themselves. In this sense saying something like "libertarian anarchism" will be a bad case of redundancy in a word similar to saying something like "fascist nazism" or "socialist communism". All anarchism is libertarian by definition just as all nazism is fascist as well as all communism is socialist. So saying there is one particular position which will be THE "libertarian anarchism" will be absurd.-- Eduen ( talk) 19:34, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
The provided source says "The form of anarchism that accepts this radical notion of freedom, our freedom to bind ourselves, I call libertarian anarchism." That is, the author is referring to his own use of the phrase "libertarian anarchism", not making any claim that that phrase is commonly used. Indeed, the fact that the author writes "I call" rather than "is called" suggests that he is introducing a novel or unusual phrase, and that "libertarian anarchism" is not commonly used to refer to this position. We should only include the phrase "libertarian anarchism" in this article if it is widely used, and the provided source does not say that the phrase is widely used. So, on the basis of that source, I don't think we should include the phrase "libertarian anarchism" as a synonym for "anarchocapitalism" in the article. VoluntarySlave ( talk) 13:03, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
the article is rated as "good" (but I don't know who reviewed). Its more than a little POV to gloss over the various aspects of anarchism such as the more right-leaning anarcho capitalism. I don't even see it as a section, yet the more FRINGE "free love" geta mentioned. Im not tagging or questing review yet, but we need to sort this out( Lihaas ( talk) 14:39, 26 April 2014 (UTC)).
Hello, people. Important pages of the history of Spain are very little known, even in Spain herself. And some of them include that since very ancient times we have traditional institutions that well could be calified of "Anarchist". These institutions were created after the Moors invasions of 711, between the centuries 8 and 9, but some experts say that before the Roman conquest of Spain there could have been some similar institutions among the Celt and Iberian tribes in Spain. These institutions may be called "Anarchist" because in them people had community of properties, decisions were taken in popular meetings, and the laws or Constitutions (Fueros in Spanish) were very popular. In these lands the kings had very few rights, only 3 or 4 rights. These institutions lasted many centuries and were originated in the kingdom of Castile. Soon, they were carried to Bascony (or Basque Country), and the kingdoms of Navarre and Aragon. For more information, you can go to the Wikipedia in Spanish and read articles like "Comunidad de Villa y Tierra", "Behetria" and "Anselmo Carretero". For the version in Aragon, you can read "Comunidad de Aldeas". thankyou !!-- 83.61.78.86 ( talk) 16:27, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Why in the world is the Occupy Movement listed under the "History" dropdown menu of the Anarchism pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.219.170.95 ( talk) 19:56, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
FYI, the scope and purpose of the anarchy article is under discussion, see talk:anarchy where it is proposed to be merged to stateless society -- 65.94.171.126 ( talk) 06:23, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
In my view, the satirical article is a good addition to the 'external links' section. It provides an interesting, fresh perspective and a relevant, important view. I believe this WP article is well-written, interesting, informative and useful, but it is also somewhat dry, humorless and could benefit from an external link to a small dose of humor. I don't see anything wrong with adding the satire to the article.
Humanity Surprised It Still Hasn’t Figured Out A Better Alternative To Letting Power-Hungry Assholes Decide Everything (2014-06-25), The Onion.
Thanks and regards, IjonTichy ( talk) 23:21, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
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The central tendency of anarchism as a social movement has been represented by anarcho-communism and anarcho-syndicalism, with individualist anarchism being primarily a literary phenomenon [1] which nevertheless did have an impact on the bigger currents [2] and individualists have also participated in large anarchist organisations. [3] [4] Many anarchists oppose all forms of aggression, supporting self-defense or non-violence ( anarcho-pacifism), [5] [6] while others have supported the use of some coercive measures, including violent revolution and propaganda of the deed as means to achieve anarchist ends. [7] 99.130.166.85 ( talk) 07:02, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
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PLEASE CHANGE: Many anarchists oppose all forms of aggression, supporting self-defense or non-violence ( anarcho-pacifism), [5] [6] while others have supported the use of some coercive measures, including violent revolution and propaganda of the deed, on the path to an anarchist society. [7] Many anarchists oppose all forms of aggression, supporting self-defense or non-violence ( anarcho-pacifism), [5] [6] while others have supported revolution and propaganda of the deed as means to achieve anarchist ends. [7]
TO: Many anarchists oppose all forms of aggression, supporting self-defense or non-violence ( anarcho-pacifism), [5] [6] while others have supported the use of some coercive measures, including violent revolution and propaganda of the deed as means to achieve anarchist ends. [7]
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the link [[Category:Anarchism| ]] should be changed to [[Category:Anarchism]] Sleepyteddybear ( talk) 13:35, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
I will have to ask user Leosylvester mainly this question. ¿Why does he think green anarchism deserves more, and even preferential space, over other non classical currents? As a secondary question i will have to ask him ¿why would he think green anarchism has been more influential or important than the other currents mentioned in "post classical currents"? Frankly i don´t see how green anarchism is more influential or important than, say insurrectionist anarchism, anarcha-feminism, synthesis anarchism or platformism. I cannot think that also while thinking in the main general sources on anarchism, or mentions or entries of anarchism in political or general encyclopedias. There more or less i have given user Leosylvester places where to look for support for his proposal. Clearly he has to answer these questions here with that kind of support, otherwise his proposals just cannot go.-- Eduen ( talk) 22:17, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
This mainly to respond to user Zosz and i will be glad to have an exchange with him here on this issue. In the first source it is described how CNT workers and FAI members read individualist anarchist publications in 1920s and 1930s Spain. We are speaking mainly of publications such as Iniciales, La Revista Blanca, Nosotros and others which are dealt in the work by catalan historian titled El anarquismo individualista en España: 1923–1938. (Individualist anarchism in Spain). I understand if he does not speak spanish but anyone can check this book which is on a copyleft license on the internet. So the individualist anarchist publications were read by people from those two organizations and if one read more this work one will see that the eclectic nature of those publications included treatment of issues beyond workerist matters and so they dealt with sexuality and birth control, religion and freethought, as well as with literature and the arts and more specific themes within spanish anarchism such as anarcho-naturism, among other themes. That is clearly an inpact on the wider spanish anarchist movement. This historical work also mentions how individualist also established infoshops-or as they call them there "Ateneos libertarios"-and the fact that J. Elizalde was even a secretary general of the Iberian Anarchist Federation. In the case of the postwar Italian Anarchist Federation, the individualist anarchist Cesare Zaccaria was one of the main personalities in its establishment. All of this shows that individualist anarchist have not just participated in the big anarchist organizations but also could have important roles in them. An individualist anarchists like Emile Armand was also an important name beyond the french anarchist movement and his influence and notoriety could go as fas as Argentina such as when the lover of italian-argentinian anarchist Severino Di Giovanni, America Scarfó, actually wrote a letter to Armand asking for his advice as far as his relationship with Di Giovanni. This shows Armand was considered a sort of authority on matters of love and sex within the anarchist movement of his time. In general individualist anarchists have not just voiced their opinions in forums but also published maganizes, newspapers and books and gave conferences and all of these were not only listened by individualist anarchists but by a big part of the wider anarchist movements of their time. This since Max Stirner published his main work The ego and his own until more recent times when a big name in anarchism like Murray Bookchin had to go as far as to write the book Social Anarchism or Lifestyle Anarchism in order to criticize a self described individualist anarchist like Hakim Bey along others anarchists belonging to the post-left anarchy tendency incluiding the stirnerist author Bob Black. As such, clearly individualist anarchism is having an impact on the wider anarchist movement through all of these activities and interventions. As far as the second affirmation i already mentioned how individualist anarchists could also join the bigger important anarchist organizations of their time. I can also add how the spanish individualist anarchist Miguel Giménez Igualada was also a member of the CNT trade union and the source which supports these affirmations mention how the french individualists Charles-Auguste Bontemps, Georges Vincey and André Arru also belonged to the post war Fédération Anarchiste. In the end the mere acknoledgement of the fact of the existence of individualist anarchism as a tendency is already a fact of impact in the anarchist movement as a whole. This so much so as to motivate a sector of the anarchist movement to come up with the label "social anarchism" in order to distinguish itself from individualist anarchism. But in general its existence caused an important debate over it in which anarchists as prominent as Errico Malatesta and Emma Goldman intervened, and in the case of Goldman in defense of individualism and of individualist authors like Stirner and Nietzsche.
To user Zosz i can say that i can very well respond to any of his doubts and i invite him to express his criticisms to these contents in this space where they should be dealt with and not just in edit summaries of editions. This is the second time that same user deletes these contents from the introduction and so i think we can ask him to support and to debate his views here, and this especially since his edits are in the introduction. I also advise that user to check the wikipedia article on individualist anarchism in order to assess the place and influence of individualist anarchism within the wider anarchist movement.-- Eduen ( talk) 08:52, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
- Of the two, social anarchists (communist-anarchists, anarcho-syndicalists and so on) have always been the vast majority, with individualist anarchism being restricted mostly to the United States.
— McKay, Iain (2011). The Anarchist FAQ. The Anarchist Library. p. 138.
- Although anarchist communism was perhaps the most influential anarchist doctrine, soon spreading throughout Europe, Latin America and later Asia, the First International had bequeathed to the anarchist movement another doctrine of comparable significance, anarcho-syndicalism (Chapter 1 2), a combination of anarchism and revolutionary trade unionism based on direct action (Chapter 1 0) and anti-parliamentarianism.
- Of lesser significance were anarchist collectivism (Selections 36 and 55), where distribution of wealth was to be based on labour, and individualist anarchism (Selections 42 and 6 1 ), which for the most part was but a footnote to Max Stirner (Selection 1 1 ).
— Graham, Robert (2005). "Preface". In Anarchism: A Documentary History of Libertarian Ideas, Volume One: From Anarchy to Anarchism (300CE to 1939). Montréal, CA: Black Rose Books. p. xiii.
There is a difference between the generally-accepted, standard dictionary definitions and the apparently largely personal definitions by some academics given here, so I made this change:
1st edit: addition of the dictionary definition of “anarchism” with a reference listing six dictionary definitions to that effect:
Anarchism is a doctrine advocating the abolition of government. [8] Some use the term to mean...[resumes from previous material].
2nd edit: addition of connecting material to an already-given individual academic definition:
In that definition, ...[resumes from previous material].
This was a straightforward addition of one reliable source reference (and minimal connecting material) totalling only 486 characters (most of which were taken up by the reference), without removing any previous material, but was reverted by User:Helpsome on the grounds that “a change this large needs discussion”. Do many others share Helpsome’s objection before I re-insert it? FivePillarPurist ( talk) 20:20, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Anarchism is a political philosophy that advocates stateless societies often defined as self-governed voluntary institutions, but that several authors have defined as more specific institutions based on non-hierarchical free associations. Anarchism holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, or harmful. While anti-statism is central, anarchism entails opposing authority or hierarchical organisation in the conduct of human relations, including, but not limited to, the state system.
Anarchism is a doctrine advocating the abolition of government. Some use the term to mean a political philosophy that advocates stateless societies often defined as self-governed voluntary institutions, but that several authors have defined as more specific institutions based on non-hierarchical free associations. In that definition, anarchism holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, or harmful. While anti-statism is central, anarchism entails opposing authority or hierarchical organisation in the conduct of human relations, including, but not limited to, the state system
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Within the synthesist anarchist organisation, the Fédération Anarchiste, there existed an individualist anarchist tendency alongside anarcho-communist and anarchosyndicalist currents. Individualist anarchists participating inside the Fédération Anarchiste included Charles-Auguste Bontemps, Georges Vincey and André Arru.
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Surely describing anarchism as subtle goes against a NPOV? My shorter OED 5th edition defines subtle as "(of a thing) ingenious, cleverly designed, skilfully contrived". I very slightly modified the wording to remove subtle from the introduction but this change has been reverted twice. I would be interested to hear what descriptive power you think subtle adds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enlightened editor ( talk • contribs) 14:25, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
The opening of this article says, "Anarchism is usually considered a radical left-wing ideology." This statement is no doubt true, although the person who wrote it saw fit to include the qualifier "usually" so as not to make the statement absolute. I call attention to the statement because more and more frequently I see the term "right-wing anarchist." For example, the publisher's description of T.C. Boyle's new novel calls its characters "right-wing anarchists who refuse to acknowledge the laws and regulations of the state, considering them to be false and non-applicable." Should this article cover "right-wing anarchism"? I'd like to know more about this strain of anarchism. Chisme ( talk) 17:40, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
I propose the following in order to keep this article in similar standards to those of other political ideologies within english language wikipedia such as conservatism, socialism, liberalism and fascism. All of these articles have a short historical paragraph in the intro and the anarchism article also had that but the historical paragraph was taken out due to a debate which showed important weakenesses in it. I propose this draft of a paragraph for consideration with the hopes of improving it and adding the needed references to support the affirmations within it. As such I am open to hearing opinions and contributions to it but also having in mind that it cannot be significantly different in lenght to this proposal which i present here:
I suggest merging the article Criticisms of anarchism with anarchism to avoid a POV fork. criticismS (multiple) is just showing that the article is a different POV than Anarchism which is not NPOV. The article is small only a few hundred words we can easily work it into the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryce Carmony ( talk • contribs) 19:34, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Hey Liam, I'm looking at a list on advance search and it gives me "Criticism of" 150ish of them. the reason I made one for anarchism is that it's only 100 words long (so it would be the easiest to merge) I have suggested mergers for a lot of "Criticism of" articles. Google, Microsoft, Apple Inc., eBay, Dish Network, Comcast, and a few others. I think that we are straying from NPOV when we say "critical goes one article non critical goes to another." I think articles are best when they have one article with both sides represented NPOV, not giving undue weight to criticism but not burying it either. Bryce Carmony ( talk) 23:42, 12 March 2015 (UTC)