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It would help if the "reaction" section included law professors who disagree with her. This comes across as a "puff" piece. I expect better from Wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.133.164.83 ( talk) 17:26, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
This is a transcript of her most recently focused on remarks. Someone might want to add it in external links or otherwise cite to it. https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/26/heres-amy-wax-really-said-immigration/
The quoted paragraph that we now have in the article in part, continues with Wax saying: “Well, that is the result anyway. So even if our immigration philosophy is grounded firmly in cultural concerns, doesn’t rely on race at all, and no matter how many times we repeat the mantra that correlation is not causation, these racial dimensions are enough to spook conservatives.”
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Many credible organizations (The Daily Pennsylvanian, Penn Law) are calling her racist. we should add that description.
https://www.thedp.com/article/2019/07/racism-amy-wax-penn-law-upenn-philadelphia https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/07/24/penn-law-condemns-amy-waxs-recent-comments-race-and-immigration-others-call-her — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arnob1 ( talk • contribs) 20:16, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Should the lede of the article contain a descriptor of her politics? I've reverted a previous edit that outright calls her a "white supremacist" per WP:BLP and unless she outright calls herself a "white nationalist", "white separatist", etc or openly aligns with groups that fall into that category, I'd be wary of throwing that hot button label on her, even if there are mainstream media sources that would label her that way.
She does seem to identify with national conservatism [1] and perhaps that would be appropriate to put into the lede. Iamcuriousblue ( talk) 20:36, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
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Given the substantial back and forth on this section lately, we should discuss it here, rather than edit summaries. In my view, the most appropriate title is "Statements on race." The section can and should include to the reliable sources that characterize the statements as racist (or not), but titling the section as "Racist statements" or similar is not appropriate. ÷ seresin 18:51, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
The article states that "As of January 5, [2022], nearly 9,000 Penn law students have signed a petition to have Wax suspended." The cited source (a local TV news report) directly supports this statement, but it is obviously wrong, as Penn Carey Law School only has about 700 students. Perhaps they meant "nearly 9,000 Penn Law graduates ...." What is the appropriate way to correct this? PDGPA ( talk) 02:43, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
I think simply citing the Dean of the Law School's statements on her would go along way to removing the "fluff piece" perception of her Wiki. Penn's Law School Dean, Ted Ruger, described Wax’s behavior as being disruptive to students and the school community, and he called her “thoroughly anti-intellectual and racist.” [1] Goldsphinix ( talk) 20:17, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
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Recently said a bunch more racist comments cursing out Asians, Women, and other groups. She said "Here’s the problem," "They are taught that they are better than everybody else because they are Brahmin elites and yet on some level, their country is a s—hole. ... They’ve realized that we’ve outgunned and outclassed them in every way. ... They feel anger. They feel envy. They feel shame. ... It creates ingratitude of the most monstrous kind." There were also other quotes from other professors from UPenn and other colleges and her own colleagues calling her "dumb." She also criticized many others for leading anti-racism initiatives. Please find more quotes using the following articles: - [1] - [2] - [3] - [4] - [5]
Additionally, a petition has now been signed by over 83,000 people who want to fire her. (Go to c hang e .org and search "Fire Racist Penn Law Professor, Amy Wax" Oreo223987 ( talk) 17:28, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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I don't know if I'm doing this right. I want to revise one portion of Amy Wax's personal history. Her parents were not "immigrants." Her parents were both born in Brooklyn. Her grandparents were immigrants. My source is Ancestry.com census recors for 1930 and 1940. 35.133.153.243 ( talk) 10:53, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Black Kite: Just noticed your reversion over what you deemed "weasel words". Since it is the lede and the material is sourced, I'm fairly certain this isn't an instance of weasel words but more an effort to demonstrate that the material is sourced externally, rather than the opinion of the editors involved in this page. Her statements are racist/everything they're accused of, but it's not for us to make that value judgement (particularly for living persons), just to report it has been made (repeatedly). If you disagree, let me know. Willing to leave lede as is. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 13:35, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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It would help if the "reaction" section included law professors who disagree with her. This comes across as a "puff" piece. I expect better from Wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.133.164.83 ( talk) 17:26, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
This is a transcript of her most recently focused on remarks. Someone might want to add it in external links or otherwise cite to it. https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/26/heres-amy-wax-really-said-immigration/
The quoted paragraph that we now have in the article in part, continues with Wax saying: “Well, that is the result anyway. So even if our immigration philosophy is grounded firmly in cultural concerns, doesn’t rely on race at all, and no matter how many times we repeat the mantra that correlation is not causation, these racial dimensions are enough to spook conservatives.”
-- 2604:2000:E010:1100:C8DC:A9D3:EC3E:4D61 ( talk) 23:15, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Many credible organizations (The Daily Pennsylvanian, Penn Law) are calling her racist. we should add that description.
https://www.thedp.com/article/2019/07/racism-amy-wax-penn-law-upenn-philadelphia https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/07/24/penn-law-condemns-amy-waxs-recent-comments-race-and-immigration-others-call-her — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arnob1 ( talk • contribs) 20:16, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Should the lede of the article contain a descriptor of her politics? I've reverted a previous edit that outright calls her a "white supremacist" per WP:BLP and unless she outright calls herself a "white nationalist", "white separatist", etc or openly aligns with groups that fall into that category, I'd be wary of throwing that hot button label on her, even if there are mainstream media sources that would label her that way.
She does seem to identify with national conservatism [1] and perhaps that would be appropriate to put into the lede. Iamcuriousblue ( talk) 20:36, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
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Given the substantial back and forth on this section lately, we should discuss it here, rather than edit summaries. In my view, the most appropriate title is "Statements on race." The section can and should include to the reliable sources that characterize the statements as racist (or not), but titling the section as "Racist statements" or similar is not appropriate. ÷ seresin 18:51, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
The article states that "As of January 5, [2022], nearly 9,000 Penn law students have signed a petition to have Wax suspended." The cited source (a local TV news report) directly supports this statement, but it is obviously wrong, as Penn Carey Law School only has about 700 students. Perhaps they meant "nearly 9,000 Penn Law graduates ...." What is the appropriate way to correct this? PDGPA ( talk) 02:43, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
I think simply citing the Dean of the Law School's statements on her would go along way to removing the "fluff piece" perception of her Wiki. Penn's Law School Dean, Ted Ruger, described Wax’s behavior as being disruptive to students and the school community, and he called her “thoroughly anti-intellectual and racist.” [1] Goldsphinix ( talk) 20:17, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
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Recently said a bunch more racist comments cursing out Asians, Women, and other groups. She said "Here’s the problem," "They are taught that they are better than everybody else because they are Brahmin elites and yet on some level, their country is a s—hole. ... They’ve realized that we’ve outgunned and outclassed them in every way. ... They feel anger. They feel envy. They feel shame. ... It creates ingratitude of the most monstrous kind." There were also other quotes from other professors from UPenn and other colleges and her own colleagues calling her "dumb." She also criticized many others for leading anti-racism initiatives. Please find more quotes using the following articles: - [1] - [2] - [3] - [4] - [5]
Additionally, a petition has now been signed by over 83,000 people who want to fire her. (Go to c hang e .org and search "Fire Racist Penn Law Professor, Amy Wax" Oreo223987 ( talk) 17:28, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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I don't know if I'm doing this right. I want to revise one portion of Amy Wax's personal history. Her parents were not "immigrants." Her parents were both born in Brooklyn. Her grandparents were immigrants. My source is Ancestry.com census recors for 1930 and 1940. 35.133.153.243 ( talk) 10:53, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Black Kite: Just noticed your reversion over what you deemed "weasel words". Since it is the lede and the material is sourced, I'm fairly certain this isn't an instance of weasel words but more an effort to demonstrate that the material is sourced externally, rather than the opinion of the editors involved in this page. Her statements are racist/everything they're accused of, but it's not for us to make that value judgement (particularly for living persons), just to report it has been made (repeatedly). If you disagree, let me know. Willing to leave lede as is. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 13:35, 20 April 2022 (UTC)