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more vandaliam "Gradually, as god of air, he Farted. came" he farted?????? 65.41.209.22 ( talk) 14:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
You may care to do somthing about the "You are gay" and what not's laced into the document here. -- 205.211.50.10 02:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
For whatever reason, it's nearly impossible to get him laid. I know first hand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.153.194.218 ( talk) 23:55, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Just for grins, here are the results from a Google search to see which spelling is preferred:
Google is not an acceptable source, why is it allowed here? Manson48 ( talk) 19:32, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
So they are all pretty popular, but the current listing is the preferred one. Noel 03:28, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Not by Egyptologists; "Ammon" is absolutely not standard at all. The preferred spelling in that field (in English) is "Amun" or "Amon" (or even "Amen"), but not "Ammon." -- Nefertum17 18:34, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The following user deleted (or even "Amen") from the previous statment (I've reinserted it). They made the following comment in the summary box, which I shall add here. Gareth Hughes 10:38, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
"Amen" in church is hebrew for something along the lines of "let it be so"
"Amun" is not hebrew
Here's a link that shows Amen is a very viable spelling: http://net.bible.org/lexicon.php?word=amen Manson48 ( talk) 19:40, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Amun's wife is "Amaunet" or "Amunet" so using "Ammon" would make the wife being "Amunet" somewhat less consistent Well, Amun, and Re A.K.A Ra somehow clashed and became AMUN-RA (Amun-Re)
See the article Sanchuniathon for indications of the Egyptian cult of Amun being established in Phoenicia. Lisa the Sociopath 02:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
The Hebrew stonemasons worshiped the Apis bull. The Hebrew people were the Ammonites. The Apis bull is the god Amen-Ra. The Hebrew people worshiped the golden bull which is also known as Amen-Ra (Amun-Ra) [1].
From the Catholic Encyclopedia
[1]-
The Ammonites were a race very closely allied to the Hebrews. One use of their name itself in the Bible indicates the ancient Hebrew belief of this near relationship, for they are called Bén`ámmî or "Son of my people", meaning that that race is regarded as descended from Israel's nearest relative. This play of words on the name Ammon did not arise from the name itself, but presupposes the belief in the kinship of Israel and Ammon.The name Ammon itself cannot be accepted as proof of this belief, for it is obscure in origin, derived perhaps from the name of a tribal deity. A strong proof of their common origin is found in the Ammonite language. No Ammonite inscription, it is true, has come down to us, but the Ammonite names that have been preserved belong to a dialect very nearly akin to the Hebrew; moreover, the close blood relationship of Moab and Ammon being admitted by all, the language of the Moabite Stone, almost Hebrew in form, is a strong witness to the racial affinity of Israel and Ammon. This linguistic argument vindicates the belief that Israel always entertained of his kinship with the Ammonites. The belief itself has found expression in an unmistakable manner in Genesis 19, where the origin of Ammon and his brother, Moab, is ascribed to Lot, the nephew of Abraham. This revolting narrative has usually been considered to give literal fact, but of late years it has been interpreted, e.g. by Father Lagrange, O.P., as recording a gross popular irony by which the Israelites expressed their loathing of the corrupt morals of the Moabites and Ammonites. It may be doubted, however, that such an irony would be directed against Lot himself. Other scholars see in the very depravity of these peoples a proof of the reality of the Biblical story of their incest origin. Ethnologists, interpreting the origin from the nephew of Abraham by the canons usually found true in their science, hold it as indicating that the Israelites are considered the older and more powerful tribe, while the Ammonites and Moabites are regarded as offshoots of the parent stem. The character of Genesis, which at times seems to preserve popular traditions rather than exact ethnology, is taken as a confirmation of this position. But it is not denied, at any rate, that the Hebrew tradition of the near kinship of Israel, Ammon, and Moab is correct. All three, forming together a single group, are classified as belonging to the Aramæan branch of the Semitic race.
Amun was directly referred to in Jeremiah 46
[2]
Jeremiah 46:25
[2]
The Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, says: Behold, I will visit punishment upon Amon [the chief god of the sacred city, the capital of Upper Egypt] of No or Thebes, and upon Pharaoh and Egypt, with her gods and her kings--even Pharaoh and all those [Jews and others] who put their trust in [Pharaoh as a support against Babylon].
This is a direct reference to the god Amun (Amen) in the bible
[3].
Isaiah 65:15-17
[3]
15And you will leave your name to My chosen [to those who will use it] for a curse; and the Lord God will slay you, but He will call His servants by another name [as much greater than the former name as the name Israel was greater than the name Jacob].
16So [it shall be] that he who invokes a blessing on himself in the land shall do so by saying, May the God of truth and fidelity [the Amen] bless me; and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth and faithfulness to His promises [the Amen], because the former troubles are forgotten and because they are hidden from My eyes.
17For behold, I create [a]new heavens and a new earth. And the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.
The following two verses are related to amen because they are referring to the god named mammon - also called Amen.
Here is the definition of 'mn (the West Semitic root of Amen and Mammon)
[4]
West Semitic, to be firm, confirmed, reliable, faithful, have faith, believe. a. amen, from Hebrew mn, truly, certainly; b. Mammon, from Aramaic mmon, probably from Mishnaic Hebrew mmôn, probably from earlier *mamn (? “security, deposit”). Both a and b from Hebrew man, to be firm.
Matthew 6:24
24No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Luke 16:13
13No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
According to The Egyptian Dictionary
[4]
[5], Budge lists the bible verse Nahum 3:8 in his definition of Amen:
Nahum 3:8 [6]
8Are you better than No-amon [Thebes, capital of Upper Egypt], that dwelt by the rivers or canals, that had the waters round about her, whose rampart was a sea [the Nile] and water her wall?
I believe that is enough evidence to constitute a link to the word Amen from Amun.
Luckynumbers ( talk) 03:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I have provided solid resources. It's that simple. The name of the god named Amen is different and used differently than the word amen. I have provided solid evidence. You have not provided evidence that proves otherwise. The hieroglyph for the word amen does not show the God in the depiction. Prove otherwise, otherwise it's relevant.
Lucky (
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This article is full of mistakes. Aten's cult didn't decline in the 20th Dinasty, it had already disappeared by the end of the XVIIIth one, during the reign of Horemhab. There is no reference to its role during the XIX Dinasty, and so on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.201.69.30 ( talk) 23:23, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Why cant i find that he's a wind god or champion of the poor or something? it should be the first thing said. I only found out bcus of the vandalism page where it said he farted or something >:C this should be fixed prty pls :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolprson100 ( talk • contribs) 15:50, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
The rise and fall of great many symbols of power in the past were closely identified with the clockwork cycles of human life, the world, and the universe, some obvious as day and night, while other as ambiguous as the Great Year, which denotes precession of the twelve signs of the zodiac, an Astrological age, caused due to a wobble of the Earth's axis of rotation, with an estimated tilt of about 23.5 degrees to the plane of the Earth's orbit around the Sun. The axis moves in a cone shape through the zodiac belt with speed of about 2160 years per sign, making a complete revolution of the celestial North Pole in about 25,920 years. Even more hidden from immediate detection is the, so-called, Galactic cycle which represents the time it takes our solar system travel around the center of our Milky Way galaxy, and it measures in millions of years.
When one finds images of ancient gods with an epithet or depiction of a lion, bull, ram, or fish, for example, it is important to take into consideration that the symbolism employed was also an attribution to The Age the deity was identified with, thus The Sphinx were probably built during The Age of Leo, and Amun-Kamutef as the self-made Bull was reference to the following later Age of Taurus, the age of the golden calf, which in turn became an abomination as the new Age of Aries was trumpeted by the ram's horns, hence the addition of the ram's horns to the gods, and then again, as time march on, behold!, arrived the current Age of Pisces, the mighty fish that can feed many took over the solar throne.
Atumtem ( talk) 09:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC) Alexander Braun theUniverse.name
yeah, the precession of the equinoxes wasn't even discovered before the 3rd century BC, so it hardly comes to bear in an article on ancient Egyptian religion. -- dab (𒁳) 14:06, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Check out Nabta Playa!
Apepch7 (
talk) 17:15, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
The article begins "Amun [...] was a God in Egyptian mythology and Berber Mythology", but everything that follows is exclusively from Egyptian mythology. Perhaps this should be made much clearer. Otherwise we'll have people mistakenly using this article to make spurious claims about Berber mythology. The Lesser Merlin ( talk) 10:18, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
The following text was added to the Horned God article, as that article deals with the Wiccan concept rather than historical middle-eastern ones, I think the text would be better re-factored into this article, but don't have enough knowledge in this area to undertake the task properly. Thanks:
The Cyrenaican Greeks built temples for the Libyan god Amon instead of their original god Zeus. They later identified their supreme god Zeus with the Libyan Amon. [1] Some of them continued worshipping Amon himself. Amon's cult was so widespread among the Greeks that even Alexander the Great decided to be declared as the son of Zeus in the Siwan temple by the Libyan priests of Amon. [2]
Although the most modern sources ignored the existence of Amun in the Berber mythology, he was maybe the greatest ancient Berber god.
[3] He was honored by the Ancient Greeks in Cyrenaica, and was united with the Phoenician/Carthagian god
Baal-hamon due to Libyan influence.
[4] Some depictions of the
ram across North Africa belong to the lythic period which is situated between
9600 BC and
7500 BC.
The most famous Amun's temple in Ancient Libya was the temple at the oasis of
Siwa.
The name of the ancient Berber tribes:
Garamantes and Nasamonians are believed by some scholars to be related to the name Amon.
[5]
In Awelimmiden Tuareg, the name Amanai is believed to have the meaning of " God". The Ancient Libyans may have worshipped the setting sun, which was impersonated by Amon, who was represented by the ram's horns. [6]
In Carthage and North Africa Baal-hamon was especially associated with the ram and was worshiped also as Baʿal Qarnaim ("Lord of Two Horns") in an open-air sanctuary at Jebel Bu Kornein ("the two-horned hill") across the bay from Carthage.
References
Writing an article about "Amun, 2500 BC to 500 BC" as if it was a single topic makes about as much sense as merging the articles on Hadad, Yahweh, Dionysus, God in Judaism and Jesus Christ without any regard to chronology. This article could well remain a single page, properly divided into historical stages, or alternatively, Amun-Ra could become a separate page (as in de-wiki's de:Amun vs. de:Amun-Re). -- dab (𒁳) 14:04, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
it was a simile. Still, for the geographical horizon of the Bronze Age, Egypt was a major empire and not a single "region". You may be right that the split is not advisable. I'll remove the split template. Well, but as you say, a lot of work is still needed in order to turn this into something useful. -- dab (𒁳) 10:25, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
I think it should be mentioned in a section in the article about the huge role Amun played in the lives of the Kushites (Meroites). His name appears as a part of many royal names. I think it would add great information and be a strong improvement to the article. - A.Tamar Chabadi ( talk) 04:34, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
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I wonder, why the translation of the name Amun is not included in the text. In every other texts in the net it is mentioned: ¨The hidden one¨ ¨one who is hidden¨ There's also texts saying like: ¨One, whose nature is not known to any god¨.Could you add at least the basic translation ¨the hidden one¨ to the text.
Jkaaria3 ( talk) 15:27, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
I used to think they were basically the same Deity, but now I'm not so sure?-- JaredMithrandir ( talk) 06:40, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
"The hidden aspect of Amun and his likely association with the wind" - Amun is the hidden life force that travels on the rays of the sun - ra - and as such is part of Egypt's veneration of life. They refered life so much, that they took great care to preserve their own remains and even their pets, for the day they could be revived. So when the Christians end their prayers with Amen, that is what they mean. Also, the source "Henri Frankfort, Before Philosophy, 1951" - that's a very old reference. You'd think knowledge of Ancient Egypt has progressed since then. 83.84.100.133 ( talk) 19:39, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
With regard to Amun and AmunRa;
Amun is the Air we breathe. Ra is the heat we feel from the Sun. These are both qualities that the Egyptians couldn’t see or understand and so they classed them as “Hidden”.
Montu gave them the rage to go into battle. But Amun(Air) is the God they sucked into their bodies once the fighting started In other words they breathed heavily.
The dead soldiers were no longer taking Amun into their bodies(not breathing) whilst the survivors are full of Amun. The Dead soldiers were also cold even though they are under Ra’s gaze whilst the survivors are sweating profusely. Therefore the soldiers who have had survived the battle must give thanks to Amun and Ra for the victory.
Montu started it but Amun and Ra finished it. No sources, its just my opinion. Sherlockh22 ( talk) 01:48, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Has Amun/Amon ever been mentioned, really, in any translation/version of the Christian Bible? REVALATION CH3-VS-14KJV — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.186.199.83 ( talk) 06:57, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Nothing in this section connects Amun's worship to the Levant. 184.147.149.229 ( talk) 18:32, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Daughter of Amun Ra to Osiris she would be Isis. To Allah just daughter however suggest that the necessary is to link her to the Bible’s Queen of the South/ Capernaum in Matthew also being of Revelation was Mystery, Babylon mother of Harlots and Abominations. 15,000,000,032 about years old herself descended August 29,2015 for Judgement day. 34 promised years as foretold of in the cuneiform Bible herself the creature Bastet, Souls lifted and judgement for the plaintiff as follows: Judah BRAE spoken of hill in Cuneiform and Naphtali Putin was given symbol zigzag lines in cuneiform will meet in final days to rule one nation til the day BRAE is ascended 💙💙💙✡️💜💜💜 2600:1005:B06C:8734:E45C:8119:9C7A:B49F ( talk) 13:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
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Back in 2022 I changed the infobox image of Amun to the post-Amarna depiction of him with blue skin. The original image before this change was Amun with red-brown skin, and I've recently been debating whether the infobox image should stay with the blue skin depiction or be changed to the original red-brown skin depiction. I'm indecisive about this decision because I can see reasons for either one to stay as the infobox image: The blue skinned depiction was one of the latest depictions of Amun in Ancient Egypt, and the red-brown skinned depiction was the original image used on wikipedia for years. RileyXeon ( talk) 08:55, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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more vandaliam "Gradually, as god of air, he Farted. came" he farted?????? 65.41.209.22 ( talk) 14:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
You may care to do somthing about the "You are gay" and what not's laced into the document here. -- 205.211.50.10 02:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
For whatever reason, it's nearly impossible to get him laid. I know first hand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.153.194.218 ( talk) 23:55, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Just for grins, here are the results from a Google search to see which spelling is preferred:
Google is not an acceptable source, why is it allowed here? Manson48 ( talk) 19:32, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
So they are all pretty popular, but the current listing is the preferred one. Noel 03:28, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Not by Egyptologists; "Ammon" is absolutely not standard at all. The preferred spelling in that field (in English) is "Amun" or "Amon" (or even "Amen"), but not "Ammon." -- Nefertum17 18:34, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The following user deleted (or even "Amen") from the previous statment (I've reinserted it). They made the following comment in the summary box, which I shall add here. Gareth Hughes 10:38, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
"Amen" in church is hebrew for something along the lines of "let it be so"
"Amun" is not hebrew
Here's a link that shows Amen is a very viable spelling: http://net.bible.org/lexicon.php?word=amen Manson48 ( talk) 19:40, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Amun's wife is "Amaunet" or "Amunet" so using "Ammon" would make the wife being "Amunet" somewhat less consistent Well, Amun, and Re A.K.A Ra somehow clashed and became AMUN-RA (Amun-Re)
See the article Sanchuniathon for indications of the Egyptian cult of Amun being established in Phoenicia. Lisa the Sociopath 02:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
The Hebrew stonemasons worshiped the Apis bull. The Hebrew people were the Ammonites. The Apis bull is the god Amen-Ra. The Hebrew people worshiped the golden bull which is also known as Amen-Ra (Amun-Ra) [1].
From the Catholic Encyclopedia
[1]-
The Ammonites were a race very closely allied to the Hebrews. One use of their name itself in the Bible indicates the ancient Hebrew belief of this near relationship, for they are called Bén`ámmî or "Son of my people", meaning that that race is regarded as descended from Israel's nearest relative. This play of words on the name Ammon did not arise from the name itself, but presupposes the belief in the kinship of Israel and Ammon.The name Ammon itself cannot be accepted as proof of this belief, for it is obscure in origin, derived perhaps from the name of a tribal deity. A strong proof of their common origin is found in the Ammonite language. No Ammonite inscription, it is true, has come down to us, but the Ammonite names that have been preserved belong to a dialect very nearly akin to the Hebrew; moreover, the close blood relationship of Moab and Ammon being admitted by all, the language of the Moabite Stone, almost Hebrew in form, is a strong witness to the racial affinity of Israel and Ammon. This linguistic argument vindicates the belief that Israel always entertained of his kinship with the Ammonites. The belief itself has found expression in an unmistakable manner in Genesis 19, where the origin of Ammon and his brother, Moab, is ascribed to Lot, the nephew of Abraham. This revolting narrative has usually been considered to give literal fact, but of late years it has been interpreted, e.g. by Father Lagrange, O.P., as recording a gross popular irony by which the Israelites expressed their loathing of the corrupt morals of the Moabites and Ammonites. It may be doubted, however, that such an irony would be directed against Lot himself. Other scholars see in the very depravity of these peoples a proof of the reality of the Biblical story of their incest origin. Ethnologists, interpreting the origin from the nephew of Abraham by the canons usually found true in their science, hold it as indicating that the Israelites are considered the older and more powerful tribe, while the Ammonites and Moabites are regarded as offshoots of the parent stem. The character of Genesis, which at times seems to preserve popular traditions rather than exact ethnology, is taken as a confirmation of this position. But it is not denied, at any rate, that the Hebrew tradition of the near kinship of Israel, Ammon, and Moab is correct. All three, forming together a single group, are classified as belonging to the Aramæan branch of the Semitic race.
Amun was directly referred to in Jeremiah 46
[2]
Jeremiah 46:25
[2]
The Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, says: Behold, I will visit punishment upon Amon [the chief god of the sacred city, the capital of Upper Egypt] of No or Thebes, and upon Pharaoh and Egypt, with her gods and her kings--even Pharaoh and all those [Jews and others] who put their trust in [Pharaoh as a support against Babylon].
This is a direct reference to the god Amun (Amen) in the bible
[3].
Isaiah 65:15-17
[3]
15And you will leave your name to My chosen [to those who will use it] for a curse; and the Lord God will slay you, but He will call His servants by another name [as much greater than the former name as the name Israel was greater than the name Jacob].
16So [it shall be] that he who invokes a blessing on himself in the land shall do so by saying, May the God of truth and fidelity [the Amen] bless me; and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth and faithfulness to His promises [the Amen], because the former troubles are forgotten and because they are hidden from My eyes.
17For behold, I create [a]new heavens and a new earth. And the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.
The following two verses are related to amen because they are referring to the god named mammon - also called Amen.
Here is the definition of 'mn (the West Semitic root of Amen and Mammon)
[4]
West Semitic, to be firm, confirmed, reliable, faithful, have faith, believe. a. amen, from Hebrew mn, truly, certainly; b. Mammon, from Aramaic mmon, probably from Mishnaic Hebrew mmôn, probably from earlier *mamn (? “security, deposit”). Both a and b from Hebrew man, to be firm.
Matthew 6:24
24No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Luke 16:13
13No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
According to The Egyptian Dictionary
[4]
[5], Budge lists the bible verse Nahum 3:8 in his definition of Amen:
Nahum 3:8 [6]
8Are you better than No-amon [Thebes, capital of Upper Egypt], that dwelt by the rivers or canals, that had the waters round about her, whose rampart was a sea [the Nile] and water her wall?
I believe that is enough evidence to constitute a link to the word Amen from Amun.
Luckynumbers ( talk) 03:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I have provided solid resources. It's that simple. The name of the god named Amen is different and used differently than the word amen. I have provided solid evidence. You have not provided evidence that proves otherwise. The hieroglyph for the word amen does not show the God in the depiction. Prove otherwise, otherwise it's relevant.
Lucky (
talk) 09:01, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
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This article is full of mistakes. Aten's cult didn't decline in the 20th Dinasty, it had already disappeared by the end of the XVIIIth one, during the reign of Horemhab. There is no reference to its role during the XIX Dinasty, and so on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.201.69.30 ( talk) 23:23, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Why cant i find that he's a wind god or champion of the poor or something? it should be the first thing said. I only found out bcus of the vandalism page where it said he farted or something >:C this should be fixed prty pls :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolprson100 ( talk • contribs) 15:50, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
The rise and fall of great many symbols of power in the past were closely identified with the clockwork cycles of human life, the world, and the universe, some obvious as day and night, while other as ambiguous as the Great Year, which denotes precession of the twelve signs of the zodiac, an Astrological age, caused due to a wobble of the Earth's axis of rotation, with an estimated tilt of about 23.5 degrees to the plane of the Earth's orbit around the Sun. The axis moves in a cone shape through the zodiac belt with speed of about 2160 years per sign, making a complete revolution of the celestial North Pole in about 25,920 years. Even more hidden from immediate detection is the, so-called, Galactic cycle which represents the time it takes our solar system travel around the center of our Milky Way galaxy, and it measures in millions of years.
When one finds images of ancient gods with an epithet or depiction of a lion, bull, ram, or fish, for example, it is important to take into consideration that the symbolism employed was also an attribution to The Age the deity was identified with, thus The Sphinx were probably built during The Age of Leo, and Amun-Kamutef as the self-made Bull was reference to the following later Age of Taurus, the age of the golden calf, which in turn became an abomination as the new Age of Aries was trumpeted by the ram's horns, hence the addition of the ram's horns to the gods, and then again, as time march on, behold!, arrived the current Age of Pisces, the mighty fish that can feed many took over the solar throne.
Atumtem ( talk) 09:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC) Alexander Braun theUniverse.name
yeah, the precession of the equinoxes wasn't even discovered before the 3rd century BC, so it hardly comes to bear in an article on ancient Egyptian religion. -- dab (𒁳) 14:06, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Check out Nabta Playa!
Apepch7 (
talk) 17:15, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
The article begins "Amun [...] was a God in Egyptian mythology and Berber Mythology", but everything that follows is exclusively from Egyptian mythology. Perhaps this should be made much clearer. Otherwise we'll have people mistakenly using this article to make spurious claims about Berber mythology. The Lesser Merlin ( talk) 10:18, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
The following text was added to the Horned God article, as that article deals with the Wiccan concept rather than historical middle-eastern ones, I think the text would be better re-factored into this article, but don't have enough knowledge in this area to undertake the task properly. Thanks:
The Cyrenaican Greeks built temples for the Libyan god Amon instead of their original god Zeus. They later identified their supreme god Zeus with the Libyan Amon. [1] Some of them continued worshipping Amon himself. Amon's cult was so widespread among the Greeks that even Alexander the Great decided to be declared as the son of Zeus in the Siwan temple by the Libyan priests of Amon. [2]
Although the most modern sources ignored the existence of Amun in the Berber mythology, he was maybe the greatest ancient Berber god.
[3] He was honored by the Ancient Greeks in Cyrenaica, and was united with the Phoenician/Carthagian god
Baal-hamon due to Libyan influence.
[4] Some depictions of the
ram across North Africa belong to the lythic period which is situated between
9600 BC and
7500 BC.
The most famous Amun's temple in Ancient Libya was the temple at the oasis of
Siwa.
The name of the ancient Berber tribes:
Garamantes and Nasamonians are believed by some scholars to be related to the name Amon.
[5]
In Awelimmiden Tuareg, the name Amanai is believed to have the meaning of " God". The Ancient Libyans may have worshipped the setting sun, which was impersonated by Amon, who was represented by the ram's horns. [6]
In Carthage and North Africa Baal-hamon was especially associated with the ram and was worshiped also as Baʿal Qarnaim ("Lord of Two Horns") in an open-air sanctuary at Jebel Bu Kornein ("the two-horned hill") across the bay from Carthage.
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Writing an article about "Amun, 2500 BC to 500 BC" as if it was a single topic makes about as much sense as merging the articles on Hadad, Yahweh, Dionysus, God in Judaism and Jesus Christ without any regard to chronology. This article could well remain a single page, properly divided into historical stages, or alternatively, Amun-Ra could become a separate page (as in de-wiki's de:Amun vs. de:Amun-Re). -- dab (𒁳) 14:04, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
it was a simile. Still, for the geographical horizon of the Bronze Age, Egypt was a major empire and not a single "region". You may be right that the split is not advisable. I'll remove the split template. Well, but as you say, a lot of work is still needed in order to turn this into something useful. -- dab (𒁳) 10:25, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
I think it should be mentioned in a section in the article about the huge role Amun played in the lives of the Kushites (Meroites). His name appears as a part of many royal names. I think it would add great information and be a strong improvement to the article. - A.Tamar Chabadi ( talk) 04:34, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
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I wonder, why the translation of the name Amun is not included in the text. In every other texts in the net it is mentioned: ¨The hidden one¨ ¨one who is hidden¨ There's also texts saying like: ¨One, whose nature is not known to any god¨.Could you add at least the basic translation ¨the hidden one¨ to the text.
Jkaaria3 ( talk) 15:27, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
I used to think they were basically the same Deity, but now I'm not so sure?-- JaredMithrandir ( talk) 06:40, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
"The hidden aspect of Amun and his likely association with the wind" - Amun is the hidden life force that travels on the rays of the sun - ra - and as such is part of Egypt's veneration of life. They refered life so much, that they took great care to preserve their own remains and even their pets, for the day they could be revived. So when the Christians end their prayers with Amen, that is what they mean. Also, the source "Henri Frankfort, Before Philosophy, 1951" - that's a very old reference. You'd think knowledge of Ancient Egypt has progressed since then. 83.84.100.133 ( talk) 19:39, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
With regard to Amun and AmunRa;
Amun is the Air we breathe. Ra is the heat we feel from the Sun. These are both qualities that the Egyptians couldn’t see or understand and so they classed them as “Hidden”.
Montu gave them the rage to go into battle. But Amun(Air) is the God they sucked into their bodies once the fighting started In other words they breathed heavily.
The dead soldiers were no longer taking Amun into their bodies(not breathing) whilst the survivors are full of Amun. The Dead soldiers were also cold even though they are under Ra’s gaze whilst the survivors are sweating profusely. Therefore the soldiers who have had survived the battle must give thanks to Amun and Ra for the victory.
Montu started it but Amun and Ra finished it. No sources, its just my opinion. Sherlockh22 ( talk) 01:48, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Has Amun/Amon ever been mentioned, really, in any translation/version of the Christian Bible? REVALATION CH3-VS-14KJV — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.186.199.83 ( talk) 06:57, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Nothing in this section connects Amun's worship to the Levant. 184.147.149.229 ( talk) 18:32, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Daughter of Amun Ra to Osiris she would be Isis. To Allah just daughter however suggest that the necessary is to link her to the Bible’s Queen of the South/ Capernaum in Matthew also being of Revelation was Mystery, Babylon mother of Harlots and Abominations. 15,000,000,032 about years old herself descended August 29,2015 for Judgement day. 34 promised years as foretold of in the cuneiform Bible herself the creature Bastet, Souls lifted and judgement for the plaintiff as follows: Judah BRAE spoken of hill in Cuneiform and Naphtali Putin was given symbol zigzag lines in cuneiform will meet in final days to rule one nation til the day BRAE is ascended 💙💙💙✡️💜💜💜 2600:1005:B06C:8734:E45C:8119:9C7A:B49F ( talk) 13:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
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Back in 2022 I changed the infobox image of Amun to the post-Amarna depiction of him with blue skin. The original image before this change was Amun with red-brown skin, and I've recently been debating whether the infobox image should stay with the blue skin depiction or be changed to the original red-brown skin depiction. I'm indecisive about this decision because I can see reasons for either one to stay as the infobox image: The blue skinned depiction was one of the latest depictions of Amun in Ancient Egypt, and the red-brown skinned depiction was the original image used on wikipedia for years. RileyXeon ( talk) 08:55, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
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