I came across this article looking for some info on starting an aquarium. I have no issue with the information presented, but I believe that this article could be improved with some organizational improvements. The top section of this article is too long, and contains too much. Only general info should be left here. The table of contents should be moved up in the article. The information on clownfish habitat, diet, etc. should be moved to it's own section of the article with links from the table of contents. This would make the article easier to use, as people could jump the the relevant sections easily instead of having to read most of the article to get the info from a large block of text. Pharaoh02 ( talk) 16:57, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
"Some environmental protection activists regard this as a catastrophe as the species [...]." That makes no sense, since the clownfish are a subfamily, not a species. What did the author refer to? The whole subfamily, or just one of the species of the subfamily? If it's a species, then which one of all?
I am a biological scientist working with sex changing fish. I also have some experience raising clownfish. I really like this wikipedia article. I added some information and removed a word in a sentence which said that the fish ate the "undigested excrement" from the anemone. If its undigested, it is probably not excrement! I believe the writer meant undigested food particles that the anemone released. I will add more when I have a bit more time. I want to include a bit more about the clownfish behavior and its reproduction in captivity. I also think that this article should link to an article about marine ornamental aquaculture, which has yet to be written.-- Reefpicker ( talk) 21:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason for the word "clownfish" to be capitalized? It seems like most of the occurrences in the first section are and most in the second section aren't. I'd tend towards not capitalizing it (do we capitalize "dog"?), and I'll make those edits in a couple days if there's no objection here. cluth 11:17, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
The text about anemonefishes and clownfishes is a very good beginning but are currently (19 December 2005) not up to any particularly high standard. E.g. the text about how anemonefishes are protected from the host is biased and only mentions one out of several hypotheses. A popular summary of many recent findings within biology and ecology is not present. The whole page about anemonefishes needs a major revision. I will get back with some suggestions when I can find some time. Dr. Mike Arvedlund (michaelarvedlund@hotmail.com).
Cuthahotha ( talk) 15:41, 13 October 2008 (UTC) With respect to the info on the symbiosis between clown (damsels) and anemones, there seems to 2 different popular hypothesis on why the fish isn't stung and killed. Mucus coating on the fish, and natural immunity.
I did some impromptu experiments on this as a diver many years ago. With a gloved hand, you can cause an anemone to sting the glove just by contact. After a time (a few seconds, the anemone will stop stinging. Wipe the glove off and you will start receiving stings again. Move to a different anemone and you will start to receive the stings again.
I believe the coating is 100% supplied by the anemone and that the coating is unique to each individual anemone.
Having spent time watching the clown fish adapt to host, you can see him quickly and carefully coat his scales. As mentioned in the original text, if the fish is cleaned, he will be stung (no i didn't do this my self). While coating I have seen them get stung, but float free and the venom wears off. I don't believe there is a natural immunity to the poison, but there may be some level of resistance, or possible thicker skin???? Cuthahotha ( talk) 15:41, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
This whole section gives a false impression. There are 29 species of clownfish, and 10 species of host anenome. There are at least two methods by which clowns become acclimated to their host anenomes, but all of the methods for for the interactions between all of the fishes and all of the anenomes is not known. Clarks clown (Amphiprion clarkii) becomes acclimated by coating itself in the slime of the anenome. Perculas (A. percula) seem to have a slime that is adapted to it's host. It's not all done in the same manner. I have seen a tomato clown (A. frenatus) adapt to a long tentacled anenome (Macrodactyla doreensis) by swimming in and out, and yes getting stung, but eventually gettig accustomed to the hots. But this anenome is not the natural host for this species clown, so this may not be how it works in nature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.75.21 ( talk) 02:27, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
The binomial names of
tomato clownfish and
red saddleback anemonefish fish did not match the consensus of net sources. I have fixed them. The
fire clownfish seems to be the same as
cinnamon clownfish; if so, the articles should be merged.
Jorge Stolfi/
Jorge Stolfi
13:21, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
I've changed the word 'behavior' to 'behaviour' as all other words in this article are commonwealth English.
Is this true: "Clownfish are not found in the Atlantic Ocean."? Manuel Anastácio 23:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I was under the impression that the proper name for these fish was anemonefish as a subfamily and that two of these species were named clownfish. Specifically, clown anemone fish and false clown anemone fish. The orange one with white stripes with a black shading being the clown anemone fish, and the same orange and white stripes without the black shading being the false clown anemone fish (The one made famous by Nemo). Is there a general consensus that all anemonefish are now known as clownfish as a subfamily?
Jnpet
05:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
It is not clear to me why users keep removing sentences regarding the sequential hermaphrodism of clownfish in the Finding Nemo section of the article, but not the sentences regarding jellyfish and amemone. Before reverting again, can someone please justify the edit here so we can have a discussion about the article, rather than just editing. Thank you!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.204.252.247 ( talk • contribs)
This is a really impresive photo from an excellent Spanish photographer I posted on the es.Wikipedia. If it can be used here, please, do. Thanks. -- Leahtwosaints ( talk) 01:54, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
This article seems to be the target of consistent attempts at "improving" by copy-pasting info from the countless websites on clownfish spawned by Saving Nemo. On what basis does an article get the semi-protected status? Numero4 (talk) 19:50, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
A clownfish appeared in a 1989 Maybelline television commercial featuring Lynda Carter.
--Cut & pasted here until a ref can be found. Thanks,
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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to either Clownfish or Anemonefish at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 11:53, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Amphiprioninae → Clownfish – Move per WP:COMMONNAME. According to this google trends page Clownfish gets almost 100 times more searches than the current title. The case is similar for google search results with clownfish yielding 14 100 000 results (admittedly a not insignificant amount being from the skype application) while amphiprioninae only giving 105 000 results. Trialpears ( talk) 09:56, 13 May 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. Warm Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 09:44, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
I do not believe the above discussion generated consensus - the last 3 comments and the majority of the actual discussion was not in favour, and probably moving towards a consensus to move to Anemonefish. This article is now simply incorrect in that Clownfish is not a common name of Amphiprioninae. While numbers suggested consensus for move this is not a Vote, much as common name is not simply a matter of Google trends.
I think it would be most appropriate to reopen the above discussion, as simply proposing a move now to Anemonefish accepts that there was consensus for the first move, which I dispute. Any thoughts? |→ Spaully ~talk~ 13:14, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
May I suggest that this close and move were somewhat premature, as the issue of Clownfish vs Anemonefish has not been resolved yet; and the latter choice had a lot more reasoned argument behind it. I'd suggest opening this up again. I don't believe we are looking at a really contentious issue here, but the move to "Clownfish" does strike me as sub-optimal, and not the likely outcome if this had been allowed to gather some more comment (or been evaluated based on arguments rather than vote-counting).- I did my part to muddy the waters by letting my above "Support" stand while specifying, somewhat obliquely, that what I was supporting was a move to Anemonefish. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 15:57, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi @ Xboxsponge15: Shouldn't clarkii be lower cased and ''''? I assume it's a name for a species and also for a species complex. Not Clarkii. Invasive Spices ( talk) 21:47, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure. Apologies if I did something wrong. Xboxsponge15 ( talk) 22:59, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
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Hi 122.179.98.64 ( talk) 08:55, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
I note that this article was moved from Amphiprioninae to Clownfish by Loopy30 in October 2022 with the summary "Subfamily no longer recignized. Swap with common name.". It is not clear to me what has changed to prompt this move, and I would consider from the move discussion above from 2019 that Anemonefish is the more correct common name with a stronger consensus than clownfish - which only refers to two of the species.
@ Loopy30: please could you elaborate on the classification of the subfamily, the article remains unchanged in referencing this.
More broadly, if we are to use a common name here, is the consensus still that Anemonefish is more appropriate? |→ Spaully ~talk~ 11:37, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
I came across this article looking for some info on starting an aquarium. I have no issue with the information presented, but I believe that this article could be improved with some organizational improvements. The top section of this article is too long, and contains too much. Only general info should be left here. The table of contents should be moved up in the article. The information on clownfish habitat, diet, etc. should be moved to it's own section of the article with links from the table of contents. This would make the article easier to use, as people could jump the the relevant sections easily instead of having to read most of the article to get the info from a large block of text. Pharaoh02 ( talk) 16:57, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
"Some environmental protection activists regard this as a catastrophe as the species [...]." That makes no sense, since the clownfish are a subfamily, not a species. What did the author refer to? The whole subfamily, or just one of the species of the subfamily? If it's a species, then which one of all?
I am a biological scientist working with sex changing fish. I also have some experience raising clownfish. I really like this wikipedia article. I added some information and removed a word in a sentence which said that the fish ate the "undigested excrement" from the anemone. If its undigested, it is probably not excrement! I believe the writer meant undigested food particles that the anemone released. I will add more when I have a bit more time. I want to include a bit more about the clownfish behavior and its reproduction in captivity. I also think that this article should link to an article about marine ornamental aquaculture, which has yet to be written.-- Reefpicker ( talk) 21:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason for the word "clownfish" to be capitalized? It seems like most of the occurrences in the first section are and most in the second section aren't. I'd tend towards not capitalizing it (do we capitalize "dog"?), and I'll make those edits in a couple days if there's no objection here. cluth 11:17, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
The text about anemonefishes and clownfishes is a very good beginning but are currently (19 December 2005) not up to any particularly high standard. E.g. the text about how anemonefishes are protected from the host is biased and only mentions one out of several hypotheses. A popular summary of many recent findings within biology and ecology is not present. The whole page about anemonefishes needs a major revision. I will get back with some suggestions when I can find some time. Dr. Mike Arvedlund (michaelarvedlund@hotmail.com).
Cuthahotha ( talk) 15:41, 13 October 2008 (UTC) With respect to the info on the symbiosis between clown (damsels) and anemones, there seems to 2 different popular hypothesis on why the fish isn't stung and killed. Mucus coating on the fish, and natural immunity.
I did some impromptu experiments on this as a diver many years ago. With a gloved hand, you can cause an anemone to sting the glove just by contact. After a time (a few seconds, the anemone will stop stinging. Wipe the glove off and you will start receiving stings again. Move to a different anemone and you will start to receive the stings again.
I believe the coating is 100% supplied by the anemone and that the coating is unique to each individual anemone.
Having spent time watching the clown fish adapt to host, you can see him quickly and carefully coat his scales. As mentioned in the original text, if the fish is cleaned, he will be stung (no i didn't do this my self). While coating I have seen them get stung, but float free and the venom wears off. I don't believe there is a natural immunity to the poison, but there may be some level of resistance, or possible thicker skin???? Cuthahotha ( talk) 15:41, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
This whole section gives a false impression. There are 29 species of clownfish, and 10 species of host anenome. There are at least two methods by which clowns become acclimated to their host anenomes, but all of the methods for for the interactions between all of the fishes and all of the anenomes is not known. Clarks clown (Amphiprion clarkii) becomes acclimated by coating itself in the slime of the anenome. Perculas (A. percula) seem to have a slime that is adapted to it's host. It's not all done in the same manner. I have seen a tomato clown (A. frenatus) adapt to a long tentacled anenome (Macrodactyla doreensis) by swimming in and out, and yes getting stung, but eventually gettig accustomed to the hots. But this anenome is not the natural host for this species clown, so this may not be how it works in nature. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.75.21 ( talk) 02:27, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
The binomial names of
tomato clownfish and
red saddleback anemonefish fish did not match the consensus of net sources. I have fixed them. The
fire clownfish seems to be the same as
cinnamon clownfish; if so, the articles should be merged.
Jorge Stolfi/
Jorge Stolfi
13:21, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
I've changed the word 'behavior' to 'behaviour' as all other words in this article are commonwealth English.
Is this true: "Clownfish are not found in the Atlantic Ocean."? Manuel Anastácio 23:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
I was under the impression that the proper name for these fish was anemonefish as a subfamily and that two of these species were named clownfish. Specifically, clown anemone fish and false clown anemone fish. The orange one with white stripes with a black shading being the clown anemone fish, and the same orange and white stripes without the black shading being the false clown anemone fish (The one made famous by Nemo). Is there a general consensus that all anemonefish are now known as clownfish as a subfamily?
Jnpet
05:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
It is not clear to me why users keep removing sentences regarding the sequential hermaphrodism of clownfish in the Finding Nemo section of the article, but not the sentences regarding jellyfish and amemone. Before reverting again, can someone please justify the edit here so we can have a discussion about the article, rather than just editing. Thank you!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.204.252.247 ( talk • contribs)
This is a really impresive photo from an excellent Spanish photographer I posted on the es.Wikipedia. If it can be used here, please, do. Thanks. -- Leahtwosaints ( talk) 01:54, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
This article seems to be the target of consistent attempts at "improving" by copy-pasting info from the countless websites on clownfish spawned by Saving Nemo. On what basis does an article get the semi-protected status? Numero4 (talk) 19:50, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
A clownfish appeared in a 1989 Maybelline television commercial featuring Lynda Carter.
--Cut & pasted here until a ref can be found. Thanks,
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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to either Clownfish or Anemonefish at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 11:53, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Amphiprioninae → Clownfish – Move per WP:COMMONNAME. According to this google trends page Clownfish gets almost 100 times more searches than the current title. The case is similar for google search results with clownfish yielding 14 100 000 results (admittedly a not insignificant amount being from the skype application) while amphiprioninae only giving 105 000 results. Trialpears ( talk) 09:56, 13 May 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. Warm Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 09:44, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
I do not believe the above discussion generated consensus - the last 3 comments and the majority of the actual discussion was not in favour, and probably moving towards a consensus to move to Anemonefish. This article is now simply incorrect in that Clownfish is not a common name of Amphiprioninae. While numbers suggested consensus for move this is not a Vote, much as common name is not simply a matter of Google trends.
I think it would be most appropriate to reopen the above discussion, as simply proposing a move now to Anemonefish accepts that there was consensus for the first move, which I dispute. Any thoughts? |→ Spaully ~talk~ 13:14, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
May I suggest that this close and move were somewhat premature, as the issue of Clownfish vs Anemonefish has not been resolved yet; and the latter choice had a lot more reasoned argument behind it. I'd suggest opening this up again. I don't believe we are looking at a really contentious issue here, but the move to "Clownfish" does strike me as sub-optimal, and not the likely outcome if this had been allowed to gather some more comment (or been evaluated based on arguments rather than vote-counting).- I did my part to muddy the waters by letting my above "Support" stand while specifying, somewhat obliquely, that what I was supporting was a move to Anemonefish. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 15:57, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi @ Xboxsponge15: Shouldn't clarkii be lower cased and ''''? I assume it's a name for a species and also for a species complex. Not Clarkii. Invasive Spices ( talk) 21:47, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure. Apologies if I did something wrong. Xboxsponge15 ( talk) 22:59, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
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Hi 122.179.98.64 ( talk) 08:55, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
I note that this article was moved from Amphiprioninae to Clownfish by Loopy30 in October 2022 with the summary "Subfamily no longer recignized. Swap with common name.". It is not clear to me what has changed to prompt this move, and I would consider from the move discussion above from 2019 that Anemonefish is the more correct common name with a stronger consensus than clownfish - which only refers to two of the species.
@ Loopy30: please could you elaborate on the classification of the subfamily, the article remains unchanged in referencing this.
More broadly, if we are to use a common name here, is the consensus still that Anemonefish is more appropriate? |→ Spaully ~talk~ 11:37, 5 January 2023 (UTC)