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I removed the "wikify" tag. If there's no article here explaining what a "baal tshuva rabbi" is, it needs to be created, or the term needs to be explained in this article. There's no mention of the term in the Rabbi article. Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 08:08, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
For the moment, I'm pushing for Amnon Itzhak to be merged with Amnon Yitzhak as the second is a far more common spelling and the article has been around for longer. Ayinyud 17:10, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Shalom and thanks-- fivetrees 02:54, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
I think that the English article should discuss Amnon Yitzhak's role in religious-secular relations in Israel, since he had become a symbol during recent years. He is accused as well in murder of teenager who loved to listen to his cassetttes, which worsened his relations with his parents. Please don't delete these mentions, but develop it! Narshavs 21:54, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Could you please provide your opinion on the choice of moving living Category:Orthodox rabbis to Category:Contemporary Orthodox rabbis? Thanks -- Shuki 21:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
An unbelievable thing happened:
The whole article about Amnon Yitzhak was deleted from the Hebrew Wikipedia.
It happened after Wikimedia Israel received a letter from an attorney representing Yitzhak, which requested to remove allegedly defamatory material from the article.
The article was deleted and recreated without older versions. For the short time that these versions were available, it was possible to see that the article was not any more defamatory against Amnon Yitzhak than an average newspaper or television item about him. Now it's impossible to see that, too (unless one is a sysop there).
Nevertheless, the bureaucrats of the Hebrew Wikipedia chose to salt the article with an explanation similar to WP:OFFICE.
The problem is that it is not a case for WP:OFFICE. Wikimedia Israel is not the main Wikimedia Office, but only a small local association, which is just beginning its life. In any case, as far as my understanding of jurisdiction goes, Wikimedia Israel cannot be held responsible for the content of the article.
This is a sad day for Wikipedia. I'd rather see it go down in flames, than give up to a lawyer. -- Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 12:33, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
A source for the car: [1]. Mashkin ( talk) 23:16, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Comment - I was asked to have a look at this by Mashkin. It does appear that the statement is properly sourced to a news article (not an opinion piece) by Ynet which clearly explains that the tape is anti-Zionist, and why. The quote attributed to the article also appears to be correct and no misinterpretation has been made. Therefore, I don't see any problem with including the passage, although I think it should be paraphrased. There is absolutely no WP:BLP violation here. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 20:58, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Rav Amnon Itzhak is against Religious Zionism as well, he even claims in some events that the so-called "religious zionism" is worst, for trying to represent itself as more "Modern" and "Advanced" than the secular zionism. moreover, they "digest" the religious men into the secular zionism, and both have the same WAY OF THINKING OR PERCEPTION. I'm Israeli jew who is connected with his lectures and initiuative of Kiruv. 84.111.208.168 ( talk) 23:22, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Mashkin, WP:AGF. TGI is the benchmark the Israeli media uses to compare between each other and to decide advertising rates. [2]. C'mon, do you expect me to add a sentence about TGI in the article? and frankly, the article does not need information you demand, surveys before and after which is irrelevant to this article. You should stick to articles you know something about. -- Shuki ( talk) 21:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
From the last TGI survey, that was publicized last week, it was found that of all the Haredi and religious readers of weekend Haredi newspapers in the state, Rabbi Yitzhak's newspaper, Arba Knafot, succeeded in passing for the first time the leading two dailies of the sector - "HaModia" and "Yated Ne'eman".
Reading comprehension or integrity problems by Shuki: בבני ברק למשל, קיבל עיתונו מקום ראשון בין כלל העיתונים החרדים. The next sentence says that in "Bnei Brak, for instance, his newspaper received first place among all haredi newspapers". So all we get for sure is that in Bnei Brak this was the case, it does not tell us what happened elsewhere, it does not give us any numbers, so that we will be able to trust the report. This make the whole article, even though published in nrg which is a reasonable source untrustworthy as a source for what was in the TGI report. If you are serious, find the reprot and say what's in it. Mashkin ( talk) 20:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Uptodate report on newspapers and weeklys in the ultra orthodox community: [3]. Here is a report on a recent TGI survey of the Haredi community. This sort of reporting tells you something about the subject (e.g. it actually gives percentages). Arba Kanfot is not even mentioned. Mashkin ( talk) 20:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Removing disputed statement on circulation
I am removing the disputed sentence on circulation until the end of the discussion. Mashkin ( talk) 21:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I have been asked to give an external opinion on the inclusion of the TGI figure. I advise against it for the following reasons:
BTW, there is nothing wrong with TGI, nor have they just started their survey on the Haredi newspapers. gidonb ( talk) 06:58, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
In the meantime I found out that Arba Knafot is closed, apparently because of differences in opinion between the chief editor and Rabbi Yitzhak. The following article from Maariv has some details about recent events in the organization of Yitzhak: http://www.bhol.co.il/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=2485681&forum_id=771. I have only skim-read it so far. gidonb ( talk) 15:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I have added the Maariv article that Gidon found to the bibliography and it was removed by Shuki, with no reason. This is inappropriate. Mashkin ( talk) 22:40, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
The category is well-sourced (see discussion "Zionism" above) therefore it's inclusion isn't up for debate. Anyone who wants to get rid of it can discuss those sources at WP:RSN or similar, please don't edit war over inclusion in a category that is straight-forwardly justified by sources in the article. Misarxist ( talk) 12:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 13:27, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
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What is missing here is the great fight against Shas party, the so-called "Sephardi", but aactuly cantered or controlled by morroccean North-African Jews, (with minority of Iraqi leaders). This fight (or rivalry) become of Political dimention. It is being discussed and analyzed in Media, and other Public stages. THe rivalry is important and an echo and expresasion of deeper dynamics of the (Orthodox and general) society in Israel. 84.111.208.168 ( talk) 23:33, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
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I removed the "wikify" tag. If there's no article here explaining what a "baal tshuva rabbi" is, it needs to be created, or the term needs to be explained in this article. There's no mention of the term in the Rabbi article. Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 08:08, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
For the moment, I'm pushing for Amnon Itzhak to be merged with Amnon Yitzhak as the second is a far more common spelling and the article has been around for longer. Ayinyud 17:10, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Shalom and thanks-- fivetrees 02:54, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
I think that the English article should discuss Amnon Yitzhak's role in religious-secular relations in Israel, since he had become a symbol during recent years. He is accused as well in murder of teenager who loved to listen to his cassetttes, which worsened his relations with his parents. Please don't delete these mentions, but develop it! Narshavs 21:54, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Could you please provide your opinion on the choice of moving living Category:Orthodox rabbis to Category:Contemporary Orthodox rabbis? Thanks -- Shuki 21:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
An unbelievable thing happened:
The whole article about Amnon Yitzhak was deleted from the Hebrew Wikipedia.
It happened after Wikimedia Israel received a letter from an attorney representing Yitzhak, which requested to remove allegedly defamatory material from the article.
The article was deleted and recreated without older versions. For the short time that these versions were available, it was possible to see that the article was not any more defamatory against Amnon Yitzhak than an average newspaper or television item about him. Now it's impossible to see that, too (unless one is a sysop there).
Nevertheless, the bureaucrats of the Hebrew Wikipedia chose to salt the article with an explanation similar to WP:OFFICE.
The problem is that it is not a case for WP:OFFICE. Wikimedia Israel is not the main Wikimedia Office, but only a small local association, which is just beginning its life. In any case, as far as my understanding of jurisdiction goes, Wikimedia Israel cannot be held responsible for the content of the article.
This is a sad day for Wikipedia. I'd rather see it go down in flames, than give up to a lawyer. -- Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 12:33, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
A source for the car: [1]. Mashkin ( talk) 23:16, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Comment - I was asked to have a look at this by Mashkin. It does appear that the statement is properly sourced to a news article (not an opinion piece) by Ynet which clearly explains that the tape is anti-Zionist, and why. The quote attributed to the article also appears to be correct and no misinterpretation has been made. Therefore, I don't see any problem with including the passage, although I think it should be paraphrased. There is absolutely no WP:BLP violation here. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 20:58, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Rav Amnon Itzhak is against Religious Zionism as well, he even claims in some events that the so-called "religious zionism" is worst, for trying to represent itself as more "Modern" and "Advanced" than the secular zionism. moreover, they "digest" the religious men into the secular zionism, and both have the same WAY OF THINKING OR PERCEPTION. I'm Israeli jew who is connected with his lectures and initiuative of Kiruv. 84.111.208.168 ( talk) 23:22, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Mashkin, WP:AGF. TGI is the benchmark the Israeli media uses to compare between each other and to decide advertising rates. [2]. C'mon, do you expect me to add a sentence about TGI in the article? and frankly, the article does not need information you demand, surveys before and after which is irrelevant to this article. You should stick to articles you know something about. -- Shuki ( talk) 21:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
From the last TGI survey, that was publicized last week, it was found that of all the Haredi and religious readers of weekend Haredi newspapers in the state, Rabbi Yitzhak's newspaper, Arba Knafot, succeeded in passing for the first time the leading two dailies of the sector - "HaModia" and "Yated Ne'eman".
Reading comprehension or integrity problems by Shuki: בבני ברק למשל, קיבל עיתונו מקום ראשון בין כלל העיתונים החרדים. The next sentence says that in "Bnei Brak, for instance, his newspaper received first place among all haredi newspapers". So all we get for sure is that in Bnei Brak this was the case, it does not tell us what happened elsewhere, it does not give us any numbers, so that we will be able to trust the report. This make the whole article, even though published in nrg which is a reasonable source untrustworthy as a source for what was in the TGI report. If you are serious, find the reprot and say what's in it. Mashkin ( talk) 20:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Uptodate report on newspapers and weeklys in the ultra orthodox community: [3]. Here is a report on a recent TGI survey of the Haredi community. This sort of reporting tells you something about the subject (e.g. it actually gives percentages). Arba Kanfot is not even mentioned. Mashkin ( talk) 20:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Removing disputed statement on circulation
I am removing the disputed sentence on circulation until the end of the discussion. Mashkin ( talk) 21:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I have been asked to give an external opinion on the inclusion of the TGI figure. I advise against it for the following reasons:
BTW, there is nothing wrong with TGI, nor have they just started their survey on the Haredi newspapers. gidonb ( talk) 06:58, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
In the meantime I found out that Arba Knafot is closed, apparently because of differences in opinion between the chief editor and Rabbi Yitzhak. The following article from Maariv has some details about recent events in the organization of Yitzhak: http://www.bhol.co.il/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=2485681&forum_id=771. I have only skim-read it so far. gidonb ( talk) 15:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I have added the Maariv article that Gidon found to the bibliography and it was removed by Shuki, with no reason. This is inappropriate. Mashkin ( talk) 22:40, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
The category is well-sourced (see discussion "Zionism" above) therefore it's inclusion isn't up for debate. Anyone who wants to get rid of it can discuss those sources at WP:RSN or similar, please don't edit war over inclusion in a category that is straight-forwardly justified by sources in the article. Misarxist ( talk) 12:31, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 ( talk) 13:27, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
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What is missing here is the great fight against Shas party, the so-called "Sephardi", but aactuly cantered or controlled by morroccean North-African Jews, (with minority of Iraqi leaders). This fight (or rivalry) become of Political dimention. It is being discussed and analyzed in Media, and other Public stages. THe rivalry is important and an echo and expresasion of deeper dynamics of the (Orthodox and general) society in Israel. 84.111.208.168 ( talk) 23:33, 21 March 2018 (UTC)