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![]() | On 31 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Amethyst Incident to Amethyst incident. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Although it was clearly necessary to separate the Incident from the page about HMS Amethyst herself, I can't help but think that this is not the most appropriate name for this page. Google shows that "Amethyst Incident" plus the name of the river (with both -tse and -tze spellings) returns 3,420 hits, but "Yangtze Incident" plus the name of the ship returns 12,400. The latter results aren't affected by the differently-spelled film title, since "Yantse Incident" plus the ships name has 13,700. Either way, it's fairly obvious that "Amethyst Incident" is not the most-used term for this event. Nick Cooper ( talk) 13:21, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
The page did not - at all - mentioned the fact that the day HMS Amethyst sailed to Nanking, April 20th 1949, was the day that the peace negotiation between Communists and Nationalists broke apart, and the eve of PLA's operation of crossing Yangtze River to eventually drive the Nationalists away from Mainland China. In the eyes of Communists and PLA, a warship of imperialists sailed in between PLA and Nationalists' territory on this sensitive moment is as intolerable as what Britain would feel towards a Nazi warship crossing English Channel on Day D-1. Whether PLA fired the first round or not was but an excuse comparing to such sensitiveness. Yogomove ( talk) 05:57, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
The simple fact is that the ship was merely sent as relief for an RN ship that was already there, HMS Consort, which had already been damaged by shelling. In what was a warzone it would have been foolhardy to sail in with an un-armoured unit. The PLA knew that the nationalists had no warships and the Amethyst was flying the Union Jack (I believe it was actually flying numerous Union Jack flags) so as to ensure there was no mistake. The Amethyst was only an anti submarine sloop with anti aircraft ordinance and was small compared to the Consort. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.130.193.37 ( talk) 15:38, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
What I found was content giving neutrality and balance, especially content in the "Description" section and the last three sentences in the "Negotiations" section, need referencing. The article appears written from a NPOV, "which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic.", so I feel the tag is not appropriate, and should be exchanged for a tag for lack of references. Otr500 ( talk) 16:05, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi, There are maps, lists of casualties and other resources you are welcome to use at http://www.naval-history.net/WXLG-Amethyst1949.htm.
All best, Gordon Smith — Preceding unsigned comment added by GordonSmith1941 ( talk • contribs) 20:55, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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file: c:File:Chinese Civil War 1949-04-20 Amethyst Incident Yangtze Incident.png Reason:All of the user's many other uploads have been deleted for copyright reasons. I can't pin this map to an external source, but I doubt it's their own work. subpage: link
Message automatically deposited by a robot on 09:19, 2 January 2018 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harideepan ( talk • contribs)
Can someone help sort out the sources for the casualties for each ship involved in the incident?
Note 2 says: Weston gave the wrong latitude in this report; in fact the ship was at 32° 20′N, not 31° 10′N. This could be an error made by the wounded Weston, it could be a transcription error by the signalman, or it could be an error in reading the logs after the event.
The actual location when the ship was first hit was (32.3056, 119.7196) and it then turned south and grounded at about (32.2980, 119.7237). Source: https://www.naval-history.net/WXLG-Amethyst1949.htm
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This is more of a question than a statement; but I can't find anything about it being an unprovoked attack on the British (which it was) or a war crime (which it also was), and the infobox is very pro-Chinese; it doesn't mention anything about the British escape, instead using the term 'expelled'.
This cannot be right surely. I appreciate nobody wants a biased view, but it seems to me that this is very biased indeed. Alooulla ( talk) 18:54, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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![]() | On 31 October 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Amethyst Incident to Amethyst incident. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Although it was clearly necessary to separate the Incident from the page about HMS Amethyst herself, I can't help but think that this is not the most appropriate name for this page. Google shows that "Amethyst Incident" plus the name of the river (with both -tse and -tze spellings) returns 3,420 hits, but "Yangtze Incident" plus the name of the ship returns 12,400. The latter results aren't affected by the differently-spelled film title, since "Yantse Incident" plus the ships name has 13,700. Either way, it's fairly obvious that "Amethyst Incident" is not the most-used term for this event. Nick Cooper ( talk) 13:21, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
The page did not - at all - mentioned the fact that the day HMS Amethyst sailed to Nanking, April 20th 1949, was the day that the peace negotiation between Communists and Nationalists broke apart, and the eve of PLA's operation of crossing Yangtze River to eventually drive the Nationalists away from Mainland China. In the eyes of Communists and PLA, a warship of imperialists sailed in between PLA and Nationalists' territory on this sensitive moment is as intolerable as what Britain would feel towards a Nazi warship crossing English Channel on Day D-1. Whether PLA fired the first round or not was but an excuse comparing to such sensitiveness. Yogomove ( talk) 05:57, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
The simple fact is that the ship was merely sent as relief for an RN ship that was already there, HMS Consort, which had already been damaged by shelling. In what was a warzone it would have been foolhardy to sail in with an un-armoured unit. The PLA knew that the nationalists had no warships and the Amethyst was flying the Union Jack (I believe it was actually flying numerous Union Jack flags) so as to ensure there was no mistake. The Amethyst was only an anti submarine sloop with anti aircraft ordinance and was small compared to the Consort. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.130.193.37 ( talk) 15:38, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
What I found was content giving neutrality and balance, especially content in the "Description" section and the last three sentences in the "Negotiations" section, need referencing. The article appears written from a NPOV, "which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic.", so I feel the tag is not appropriate, and should be exchanged for a tag for lack of references. Otr500 ( talk) 16:05, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi, There are maps, lists of casualties and other resources you are welcome to use at http://www.naval-history.net/WXLG-Amethyst1949.htm.
All best, Gordon Smith — Preceding unsigned comment added by GordonSmith1941 ( talk • contribs) 20:55, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
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The reference source must be verified and inspected checked. By the way, I found the redirect page after a simple check.-- O1lI0 ( talk) 19:46, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
file: c:File:Chinese Civil War 1949-04-20 Amethyst Incident Yangtze Incident.png Reason:All of the user's many other uploads have been deleted for copyright reasons. I can't pin this map to an external source, but I doubt it's their own work. subpage: link
Message automatically deposited by a robot on 09:19, 2 January 2018 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harideepan ( talk • contribs)
Can someone help sort out the sources for the casualties for each ship involved in the incident?
Note 2 says: Weston gave the wrong latitude in this report; in fact the ship was at 32° 20′N, not 31° 10′N. This could be an error made by the wounded Weston, it could be a transcription error by the signalman, or it could be an error in reading the logs after the event.
The actual location when the ship was first hit was (32.3056, 119.7196) and it then turned south and grounded at about (32.2980, 119.7237). Source: https://www.naval-history.net/WXLG-Amethyst1949.htm
188.78.121.124 ( talk) 10:24, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Marco Polo Bridge Incident which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 00:46, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
This is more of a question than a statement; but I can't find anything about it being an unprovoked attack on the British (which it was) or a war crime (which it also was), and the infobox is very pro-Chinese; it doesn't mention anything about the British escape, instead using the term 'expelled'.
This cannot be right surely. I appreciate nobody wants a biased view, but it seems to me that this is very biased indeed. Alooulla ( talk) 18:54, 20 June 2024 (UTC)