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this intro is not very descriptive. an intro should be simple as hell. i know what american music is, i listen to it every time i go back, but this intro does not really describe anything. the intro is like a river that wants to reach a single end but keeps splitting on itself. rock and roll is a form of rock and roll music that is based on the convergence of rock music and the roll music of the blah blah blah —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.29.148 ( talk) 00:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
The article basically says they're the same thing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.70.143.93 ( talk) 08:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC).
Yes, I know a little clunky, but Argentinians, Panamanians, Mexicans and Canadians are all American, so why say Neil Young is not American? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.63.224 ( talk) 01:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Dunno how to throw up the "this article does not cite sources" banner, but this article cites no sources. This problem is pandemic across Americana and folk related articles that I've seen - mostly they look like people randomly adding bands they like under the heading. Pretty un-encyclopedic, would be my 2c. -- Jordanp ( talk) 06:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
this article is not very descriptive or encyclopedic.
I wikified a bit, and removed folks from the list of notables if they were red linked. Now, every one of those 'notable amercana artists' needs to be identified in thier wikipedia article as an americana artist, you can't just say 'joan osborne' because she's american and doesn't fit in a rock and roll box. -- Rocksanddirt ( talk) 18:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Agree. Needs cleanup. Style is personal and essay-like, not encyclopedic. Needs sources too. Please help out! Regards, Mondeo ( talk) 20:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm hardly a veteran wiki editor, nevertheless, I do know a thing or two about music history. I won't bore you with my bona fides. So, what's my problem? It's the following sentence, essentially the penultimate sentence in the aforementioned section:
While the musical model can be traced back to the Elvis Presley marriage of 'hillbilly music' and R&B that birthed rock 'n roll,
Problems
Frumiousfalafel ( talk) 21:49, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
The Beatles were European. This is an article on Americana or the older styles of American Music Dirke31 ( talk) 15:07, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
I do more work at folk music and am just an occasional visitor here. When there's a top level article on a genre of course there's lots of folks/bands who would like to be in the list of examples, doubly so because it inevitably is a short list. I've always figured that a bare minimum requirement is that they have an article in Wikipedia. I think another minimum one is that their article indicates that they they are in that genre. Beyond that I think the ideal would be where the editors have the expertise to pick out the more prominent ones for the short list. I added one (Carrie Newcomer) which met the first two criteria. It got reverted; I really don't have the expertise in this genre to have an opinion on that, but thought it is a good to mention it here. Sincerley, North8000 ( talk) 16:07, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Of course there are editors who look at the article on an artist they want to include, and add an Americana Music reference there, or conversely get involved with an article about an artist and decide they belong on this page. Lana Del Rey for example falls completely outside any accepted definition of Americana music, she does music for video games and MOR pop music, but dig deep enough and yes, there are some references providing a tenuous link, so here she is cited as a typical example of the genre. Misleading to say the least, or am I missing something? ProfDEH ( talk) 07:16, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Is Lana Del Rey in any way an example of Americana music, let alone a prime example of the genre? The answer to both questions is of course, no, she isn't, she's a moderately popular middle of the road singer who didn't even perform in the USA until this time last year. Why doesn't that description of what Americana music consists of differ so markedly from the main article Americana music? This is why the article is better with no examples than a few chosen at random. I can't be bothered to keep deleting this stuff but hopefully someone will make an effort to write a proper expanded article. ProfDEH ( talk) 21:20, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
I was actually just coming here to say the same thing. The references used don't even talk about her music being Americana, just references to Americana in her personality or videos. I think somebody should remove her from the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.192.214.183 ( talk) 17:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Misplaced enthusiasm also evident on the Americana page. ProfDEH ( talk) 07:04, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
First, the sentence for the current list says "significant" artists. I only saw two that I ever even heard of, not that that means much. Might I suggest a criteria that they be floated on the talk page first to get at least one person to agree with inclusion, and some net support for the inclusion if there are varying opinions. And it would be based on:
Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 11:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
That sounds reasonable but in fact I think all those artists are rather minor, except Alison Krauss who is proper star of bluegrass music - which might be included within the definition of Americana music at a stretch, but for sure isn't how she would describe her music. I suggest the whole section should be deleted, and those 'blogs' too. So what should be done with Americana now? ProfDEH ( talk) 19:01, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
That was my conclusion on Americana, one that I came to the hard way - trying to edit the examples into shape, then deciding they belonged on a separate page entirely, a page that was speedily deleted, so the original article ended up neat but short. Until recently that is.
I agree, it's unclear if it is a real genre, in fact I think not, at least not in the way that the blues is most definitely recognisable, but this page gets 400 hits a day so the term is obviously relevant. It's a valid idea to flesh out the article with some examples but you'd have to be very knowledgeable to do it properly. Maybe the AMA article provides adequate information if you need to find names. ProfDEH ( talk) 20:28, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
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this intro is not very descriptive. an intro should be simple as hell. i know what american music is, i listen to it every time i go back, but this intro does not really describe anything. the intro is like a river that wants to reach a single end but keeps splitting on itself. rock and roll is a form of rock and roll music that is based on the convergence of rock music and the roll music of the blah blah blah —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.192.29.148 ( talk) 00:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
The article basically says they're the same thing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.70.143.93 ( talk) 08:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC).
Yes, I know a little clunky, but Argentinians, Panamanians, Mexicans and Canadians are all American, so why say Neil Young is not American? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.63.224 ( talk) 01:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Dunno how to throw up the "this article does not cite sources" banner, but this article cites no sources. This problem is pandemic across Americana and folk related articles that I've seen - mostly they look like people randomly adding bands they like under the heading. Pretty un-encyclopedic, would be my 2c. -- Jordanp ( talk) 06:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
this article is not very descriptive or encyclopedic.
I wikified a bit, and removed folks from the list of notables if they were red linked. Now, every one of those 'notable amercana artists' needs to be identified in thier wikipedia article as an americana artist, you can't just say 'joan osborne' because she's american and doesn't fit in a rock and roll box. -- Rocksanddirt ( talk) 18:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Agree. Needs cleanup. Style is personal and essay-like, not encyclopedic. Needs sources too. Please help out! Regards, Mondeo ( talk) 20:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm hardly a veteran wiki editor, nevertheless, I do know a thing or two about music history. I won't bore you with my bona fides. So, what's my problem? It's the following sentence, essentially the penultimate sentence in the aforementioned section:
While the musical model can be traced back to the Elvis Presley marriage of 'hillbilly music' and R&B that birthed rock 'n roll,
Problems
Frumiousfalafel ( talk) 21:49, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
The Beatles were European. This is an article on Americana or the older styles of American Music Dirke31 ( talk) 15:07, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
I do more work at folk music and am just an occasional visitor here. When there's a top level article on a genre of course there's lots of folks/bands who would like to be in the list of examples, doubly so because it inevitably is a short list. I've always figured that a bare minimum requirement is that they have an article in Wikipedia. I think another minimum one is that their article indicates that they they are in that genre. Beyond that I think the ideal would be where the editors have the expertise to pick out the more prominent ones for the short list. I added one (Carrie Newcomer) which met the first two criteria. It got reverted; I really don't have the expertise in this genre to have an opinion on that, but thought it is a good to mention it here. Sincerley, North8000 ( talk) 16:07, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Of course there are editors who look at the article on an artist they want to include, and add an Americana Music reference there, or conversely get involved with an article about an artist and decide they belong on this page. Lana Del Rey for example falls completely outside any accepted definition of Americana music, she does music for video games and MOR pop music, but dig deep enough and yes, there are some references providing a tenuous link, so here she is cited as a typical example of the genre. Misleading to say the least, or am I missing something? ProfDEH ( talk) 07:16, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Is Lana Del Rey in any way an example of Americana music, let alone a prime example of the genre? The answer to both questions is of course, no, she isn't, she's a moderately popular middle of the road singer who didn't even perform in the USA until this time last year. Why doesn't that description of what Americana music consists of differ so markedly from the main article Americana music? This is why the article is better with no examples than a few chosen at random. I can't be bothered to keep deleting this stuff but hopefully someone will make an effort to write a proper expanded article. ProfDEH ( talk) 21:20, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
I was actually just coming here to say the same thing. The references used don't even talk about her music being Americana, just references to Americana in her personality or videos. I think somebody should remove her from the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.192.214.183 ( talk) 17:44, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Misplaced enthusiasm also evident on the Americana page. ProfDEH ( talk) 07:04, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
First, the sentence for the current list says "significant" artists. I only saw two that I ever even heard of, not that that means much. Might I suggest a criteria that they be floated on the talk page first to get at least one person to agree with inclusion, and some net support for the inclusion if there are varying opinions. And it would be based on:
Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 11:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
That sounds reasonable but in fact I think all those artists are rather minor, except Alison Krauss who is proper star of bluegrass music - which might be included within the definition of Americana music at a stretch, but for sure isn't how she would describe her music. I suggest the whole section should be deleted, and those 'blogs' too. So what should be done with Americana now? ProfDEH ( talk) 19:01, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
That was my conclusion on Americana, one that I came to the hard way - trying to edit the examples into shape, then deciding they belonged on a separate page entirely, a page that was speedily deleted, so the original article ended up neat but short. Until recently that is.
I agree, it's unclear if it is a real genre, in fact I think not, at least not in the way that the blues is most definitely recognisable, but this page gets 400 hits a day so the term is obviously relevant. It's a valid idea to flesh out the article with some examples but you'd have to be very knowledgeable to do it properly. Maybe the AMA article provides adequate information if you need to find names. ProfDEH ( talk) 20:28, 18 October 2012 (UTC)