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In many movies and television shows where a football game is played, they often contain a shot where the "good" team wins just as time is running out. Is this just a creation of movie/TV execs to copy the drama of a basketball buzzer beater, or is this a rule in high school, college, or pro football?
I'd really appreciate someone familiar with the sport explaining to me the roles of players, and the manner in which it is legitimate to block players?
Or grab with the hands, or chop block, or crack-back block. The first is holding and the second two are safety rules (a chop block is a double-team block--i.e. two blockers on one defender, with one deliberately delaying his block until the defender is already engaged by a blocker, then chopping him below the thighs/knees) (a crack-back is a block by an offensive player in motion toward the free-blocking zone at the snap then hits his target below the knees--college rules--or from behind inside the free-blocking zone). Confusing, huh?--Buckboard 06:49, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Offense:
I added the parentheticals, assuming an audience that knows little or nothing. Also to illustrate that "some elaboration" may become quite involved.--Buckboard 07:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
There's a discrepancy here between the Free Kick secion and the Safety section, regarding the free kick after a safety in the NFL. Must it be a punt in the NFL (as it says in the Safety section), or may it be a place kick (as it says in the Free Kick section)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 ( talk) 20:32, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
We need to include a section on Drop Kicks. Although they are very rare nowadays, drop kicks were once an important part of the game. Doug Flutie also recently made history by scoring a drop kick and I feel that because of their historical importance, if for nothing else, we should include them in the rule book. AmbExThErMal
Copy/pasting this here, because it was erroneously placed on the article page by 216.40.234.227. Aerion //talk 04:46, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
The best way to do this, for both offense and defense, is in relation to the hand signals used by referrees to indicate the penalty, which are always made in case mikes fail, and indicate the general category to which each belongs (what I came here to find; you people suck.) Example: the motion listed below under false start is virutally identical to the traveling call in basketball, however, this motion is also made in cases of illegal formation, illegal motion, and illegal shift, which, if I'm not mistaken is technically also an illegal motion. These sub-categories can be bewildering, hence my need for a reference.
Suggestion: identify groups of penalties by the largest designation, indicated by the hand signal (i.e. delay of game is indicated by the official raising his hand above the side of his head then bringing it down flat atop his head, which I believe is a Dead ball foul) proceeding thence through individual subcategories and their members (i.e. Illegal procedure, with description of signal, including Illegal motion, and among its members Illegal shift.)
How about penalty enforcements for loose ball plays and running plays, and the All-But-One principal? Especially in light of the differences between NFL, NCAA, and NFHS, especially for penalties behind the previous line of scrimmage. Many people watch high school games and wonder why holding is a spot foul always, and a spot foul sometimes in NFL/NCAA.-- 71.112.153.111 00:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I think this article is destined to be partially incomplete. The full rule book is rather large, but even so, it is rather inomplete right now. As I have time I can add more, but it's going to take a long time.
What happens if there is a player running for a touchdown and an opponenet comes off of the sideline to tackle him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.253.111.252 ( talk) 06:24, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
"(Because the referee is also the only person who can stop a play in progress, he is in practice the only official who can flag for penalties that stop a play, such as encroachment.)"
Is this really true? It seems that on false starts and encroachments, several officials throw the flag and several officials blow the whistle. Also, on ordinary plays, it seems that a back judge or field judge would blow the whistle to signal, for example, down by stopped forward progress or other ends of plays.
Whether or not it's "true"--it's obscure and unimportant. No one has ever seen a controversary or a ruling or anything where the official throwing a flag had the right or not to call it. More importantly, because it does occur all the time, all the sections on ballcarriers being down and plays ending have ignored the role of the official's whistle. Play continues until the whistle blows. Play ends once the whistle blows--even if "inadvertant."--Buckboard 06:34, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
The "Field goal (3 points)" section mentions that the ball "must first be snapped to a placeholder". Really? I believe a field goal may be drop kicked. -- Rich r 21:14, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
When a play is reviewed by a referee and he rules that the down is to be replayed, the clock must be set back to show the time of the original ball snap. Musicwriter 16:45, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking that a split-off may make sense, to turn this into a more generalized discussion of rules, and set up a Comparison of American football rules article. I'm picturing basically two tables: the first for general differences in rules, such as length of game, overtime, goalpost width, hashmark distance; and one specifically for penalty enforcement differences (e.g. pass interference is 15 in HS, 15 or spot in college, and spot in NFL). By way of comparison, see Comparison of baseball and softball. Anybody else agree? — C.Fred ( talk) 16:14, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Please add referee hand signal images, or links to such, thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marycontrary ( talk • contribs) 21:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC).
A play can also be blown dead by the ref if a penalty occures such as offsides of lined up in the neutral zone DJW2tone 14:56, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I did cover the one situation where the official's whistle kills the play. Though what I meant to type was: The nearest official typically blows his whistle after the ball becomes dead to alert the players that the play is over. If the ball is alive and the official sounds an inadvertent whistle, then the ball becomes dead at the point when the whistle sounds. <!--That official then buys dinner for the rest of the crew after the game.-->
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Some illegal kicks do cause the ball become dead in NCAA. "A return kick is an illegal kick and a live-ball foul that causes the ball to become dead" (6-3-10-b). "A scrimmage kick beyond the neutral zone is a live-ball foul that causes the ball to become dead" (6-3-10-c). — C.Fred ( talk) 23:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
How about a section that depicts ways in which possession of the ball is legally changed? Here's a list that I found of all the legal ways:
How about it? Give it some thought. And I agree that this section is doomed to remain incomplete. mikecucuk 18:25, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, #2 is not true—none of the three forms of scoring change team possession (unless the scored-upon team elects to kick off after a touchdown). #3 effectively ends a possession but does not turn the ball over. I think it is a completeable list, though:
I can't think of any other situation where a change of possession occurs. However, I think these situations are covered in the text. — C.Fred ( talk) 02:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Under "plays from scrimmage," a recent change was "the ball is dead when...a kicked ball comes to rest". I thought that field goal attempts that come to rest on the ground are still alive and won't be whistled dead? Thus this should be reverted to "punted ball comes to rest"? Not sure. -- Locarno 13:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I believe that the rule is that there can be no more than 11 players on the field at the start of the play. I've never seen a team penalized for having 10 players on the field. — Wrathchild ( talk) 17:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
How, pray tell, does one touch one's forearm to the ground without touching one's elbow, unless one's arm is broken? An elbow counts for downing.
From the 2006 NCAA rulebook, rule 4-1-3:
This section should just say "hands or feet". — Wrathchild ( talk) 18:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that the kickoff description read as follows: "The ball is placed on a tee (or held) at the kicking team's 30 yard line (35 yard line in college and 40 for high school)..."
It might be useful to describe exactly when the ball may be held instead of being placed on a tee. I do believe that if the ball falls off the tee due to wind three times (i'm not positive if its three) then the player is then able to have someone hold it. I'm not positive though. -- Marqmike2 22:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
A holder is always allowed, but obviously only required if the ball won't stay on the tee.
"Note: it is also a foul for an offensive player to touch an opponent's face mask, including when the runner stiff-arms a defensive player."
Can anyone confirm that to be true? I was under the impression that grabbing the face mask is not a foul for an offensive ball carrier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.72.193 ( talk) 06:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
As mentioned, there is a little known rule that a free-kick is allowed after a fair catch, or awarded fair-catch. A section about this, including that the free-kick, if it goes through the uprights, scores. I think a couple of years ago this occurred in an NFL game (See http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8960471).
Also, the free-kick option may be retained if a penalty is accepted on a play from scrimmage after a free-kick. For example, A fair catches at the A40. A elects to snap. On the play, B commit pass interference and A accepts. A still retains the free-kick option.-- 71.112.153.111 00:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Did anyone ever realize that there are a large number of fouls that are listed under offensive or defensive fouls that can be committed by either team? Such as: Encroachment, all of the illegal blocking fouls, holding, tripping, spearing, forward pass interference...I am sure I missed a few also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smokedadro ( talk • contribs) 04:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I changed a paragraph under coin toss, because that paragraph makes no sense. No one knows if a teams prefers to receive it or kick it. Every team is different and therefore, that is a biased statement.-- Kmbball45 ( talk) 18:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
OK, I'm quite sure about roughing the kicker after the ball was kicked, but what if the kicker was sacked before he can even get the ball off the foot? Does that also count as running into or roughing the kicker? TimHowardII ( talk) 08:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Are you allowed to where a dark visor? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.196.32.183 ( talk • contribs) 22:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
i witnessed a rule being enforced this weekend in the CARDINALS VS. COWBOYS game. I would love for someone to explain this. A quarterback is trying to throw the football for a pass, and at the last moment, "tucks" it back in, understanding He's about to get sacked in the end zone.He's smothered at the one yard line, fumbles the ball into the end zone, and the opposing team recovers the ball in their end zone. result: touchdown for the defense!!!
never happened. the judges invoked a new rule concerning a "tuck" rule that resulted in the possesing team recieving a first & ten at the ten yard line.
i must be on drugs!!! anybody care to explain this "new rule"????????
04:09, 13 October 2008 (UTC)04:09, 13 October 2008 (UTC)04:09, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
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This is as attempt to define by rule when exactly a QB is "passing" and when he isn't. I think it is result of a play a year or 2 ago when there was a question on whether a particular play should have been ruled that the QB's arm was in forward motion, and hence the result was an incomplete pass, or whether he was pulling the ball down and "tucking" it away, and hence should be a fumble. I think the idea is to make it such that the ref doesn't have to try to read the QB's mind as to what his intent was.
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Could a knowledgeable editor please add to both the "offside" and "encroachment" sections an explanation of when exactly each of these penalties would be called? Tempshill ( talk) 18:01, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Currently, illegal motion only says that it is when "a player in motion is moving forward at the time of the snap". But shouldn't it also include two (or more) players in motion at the same time prior to snap? Jason Quinn ( talk) 18:57, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
The article does not make it clear, and it should make it clear, who has possession of the ball at the end of each quarter, and where the ball starts out at the beginning of each quarter. — Lowellian ( reply) 21:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I added stuff here, feel free to remove if it doesn't make sense...but this happened in tonight's (1/4/2009) Eagles v. Vikings game and I thought i deserved some merit in Wikipedia. Thanks! -- Scottymoze ( talk) 23:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Is the number of yards that can be gained in one 'down' (or four downs) unlimited, or can it be no more than ten yards? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drstk ( talk • contribs) 22:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
I checked the ESPN, USA Today, and Washington Post summaries for Sunday's Bengals–Redskins game. All of them refer to the result as a "27–27 tie"; none of them use the phrase "27–all". In keeping with WP:ENGVAR, then, should this article not maintain American usage and report the score as 27–27? — C.Fred ( talk) 22:37, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
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In many movies and television shows where a football game is played, they often contain a shot where the "good" team wins just as time is running out. Is this just a creation of movie/TV execs to copy the drama of a basketball buzzer beater, or is this a rule in high school, college, or pro football?
I'd really appreciate someone familiar with the sport explaining to me the roles of players, and the manner in which it is legitimate to block players?
Or grab with the hands, or chop block, or crack-back block. The first is holding and the second two are safety rules (a chop block is a double-team block--i.e. two blockers on one defender, with one deliberately delaying his block until the defender is already engaged by a blocker, then chopping him below the thighs/knees) (a crack-back is a block by an offensive player in motion toward the free-blocking zone at the snap then hits his target below the knees--college rules--or from behind inside the free-blocking zone). Confusing, huh?--Buckboard 06:49, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Offense:
I added the parentheticals, assuming an audience that knows little or nothing. Also to illustrate that "some elaboration" may become quite involved.--Buckboard 07:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
There's a discrepancy here between the Free Kick secion and the Safety section, regarding the free kick after a safety in the NFL. Must it be a punt in the NFL (as it says in the Safety section), or may it be a place kick (as it says in the Free Kick section)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 ( talk) 20:32, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
We need to include a section on Drop Kicks. Although they are very rare nowadays, drop kicks were once an important part of the game. Doug Flutie also recently made history by scoring a drop kick and I feel that because of their historical importance, if for nothing else, we should include them in the rule book. AmbExThErMal
Copy/pasting this here, because it was erroneously placed on the article page by 216.40.234.227. Aerion //talk 04:46, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
The best way to do this, for both offense and defense, is in relation to the hand signals used by referrees to indicate the penalty, which are always made in case mikes fail, and indicate the general category to which each belongs (what I came here to find; you people suck.) Example: the motion listed below under false start is virutally identical to the traveling call in basketball, however, this motion is also made in cases of illegal formation, illegal motion, and illegal shift, which, if I'm not mistaken is technically also an illegal motion. These sub-categories can be bewildering, hence my need for a reference.
Suggestion: identify groups of penalties by the largest designation, indicated by the hand signal (i.e. delay of game is indicated by the official raising his hand above the side of his head then bringing it down flat atop his head, which I believe is a Dead ball foul) proceeding thence through individual subcategories and their members (i.e. Illegal procedure, with description of signal, including Illegal motion, and among its members Illegal shift.)
How about penalty enforcements for loose ball plays and running plays, and the All-But-One principal? Especially in light of the differences between NFL, NCAA, and NFHS, especially for penalties behind the previous line of scrimmage. Many people watch high school games and wonder why holding is a spot foul always, and a spot foul sometimes in NFL/NCAA.-- 71.112.153.111 00:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I think this article is destined to be partially incomplete. The full rule book is rather large, but even so, it is rather inomplete right now. As I have time I can add more, but it's going to take a long time.
What happens if there is a player running for a touchdown and an opponenet comes off of the sideline to tackle him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.253.111.252 ( talk) 06:24, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
"(Because the referee is also the only person who can stop a play in progress, he is in practice the only official who can flag for penalties that stop a play, such as encroachment.)"
Is this really true? It seems that on false starts and encroachments, several officials throw the flag and several officials blow the whistle. Also, on ordinary plays, it seems that a back judge or field judge would blow the whistle to signal, for example, down by stopped forward progress or other ends of plays.
Whether or not it's "true"--it's obscure and unimportant. No one has ever seen a controversary or a ruling or anything where the official throwing a flag had the right or not to call it. More importantly, because it does occur all the time, all the sections on ballcarriers being down and plays ending have ignored the role of the official's whistle. Play continues until the whistle blows. Play ends once the whistle blows--even if "inadvertant."--Buckboard 06:34, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
The "Field goal (3 points)" section mentions that the ball "must first be snapped to a placeholder". Really? I believe a field goal may be drop kicked. -- Rich r 21:14, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
When a play is reviewed by a referee and he rules that the down is to be replayed, the clock must be set back to show the time of the original ball snap. Musicwriter 16:45, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking that a split-off may make sense, to turn this into a more generalized discussion of rules, and set up a Comparison of American football rules article. I'm picturing basically two tables: the first for general differences in rules, such as length of game, overtime, goalpost width, hashmark distance; and one specifically for penalty enforcement differences (e.g. pass interference is 15 in HS, 15 or spot in college, and spot in NFL). By way of comparison, see Comparison of baseball and softball. Anybody else agree? — C.Fred ( talk) 16:14, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Please add referee hand signal images, or links to such, thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marycontrary ( talk • contribs) 21:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC).
A play can also be blown dead by the ref if a penalty occures such as offsides of lined up in the neutral zone DJW2tone 14:56, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I did cover the one situation where the official's whistle kills the play. Though what I meant to type was: The nearest official typically blows his whistle after the ball becomes dead to alert the players that the play is over. If the ball is alive and the official sounds an inadvertent whistle, then the ball becomes dead at the point when the whistle sounds. <!--That official then buys dinner for the rest of the crew after the game.-->
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C.Fred (
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23:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Some illegal kicks do cause the ball become dead in NCAA. "A return kick is an illegal kick and a live-ball foul that causes the ball to become dead" (6-3-10-b). "A scrimmage kick beyond the neutral zone is a live-ball foul that causes the ball to become dead" (6-3-10-c). — C.Fred ( talk) 23:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
How about a section that depicts ways in which possession of the ball is legally changed? Here's a list that I found of all the legal ways:
How about it? Give it some thought. And I agree that this section is doomed to remain incomplete. mikecucuk 18:25, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, #2 is not true—none of the three forms of scoring change team possession (unless the scored-upon team elects to kick off after a touchdown). #3 effectively ends a possession but does not turn the ball over. I think it is a completeable list, though:
I can't think of any other situation where a change of possession occurs. However, I think these situations are covered in the text. — C.Fred ( talk) 02:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Under "plays from scrimmage," a recent change was "the ball is dead when...a kicked ball comes to rest". I thought that field goal attempts that come to rest on the ground are still alive and won't be whistled dead? Thus this should be reverted to "punted ball comes to rest"? Not sure. -- Locarno 13:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I believe that the rule is that there can be no more than 11 players on the field at the start of the play. I've never seen a team penalized for having 10 players on the field. — Wrathchild ( talk) 17:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
How, pray tell, does one touch one's forearm to the ground without touching one's elbow, unless one's arm is broken? An elbow counts for downing.
From the 2006 NCAA rulebook, rule 4-1-3:
This section should just say "hands or feet". — Wrathchild ( talk) 18:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that the kickoff description read as follows: "The ball is placed on a tee (or held) at the kicking team's 30 yard line (35 yard line in college and 40 for high school)..."
It might be useful to describe exactly when the ball may be held instead of being placed on a tee. I do believe that if the ball falls off the tee due to wind three times (i'm not positive if its three) then the player is then able to have someone hold it. I'm not positive though. -- Marqmike2 22:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
A holder is always allowed, but obviously only required if the ball won't stay on the tee.
"Note: it is also a foul for an offensive player to touch an opponent's face mask, including when the runner stiff-arms a defensive player."
Can anyone confirm that to be true? I was under the impression that grabbing the face mask is not a foul for an offensive ball carrier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.72.193 ( talk) 06:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
As mentioned, there is a little known rule that a free-kick is allowed after a fair catch, or awarded fair-catch. A section about this, including that the free-kick, if it goes through the uprights, scores. I think a couple of years ago this occurred in an NFL game (See http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8960471).
Also, the free-kick option may be retained if a penalty is accepted on a play from scrimmage after a free-kick. For example, A fair catches at the A40. A elects to snap. On the play, B commit pass interference and A accepts. A still retains the free-kick option.-- 71.112.153.111 00:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Did anyone ever realize that there are a large number of fouls that are listed under offensive or defensive fouls that can be committed by either team? Such as: Encroachment, all of the illegal blocking fouls, holding, tripping, spearing, forward pass interference...I am sure I missed a few also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smokedadro ( talk • contribs) 04:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I changed a paragraph under coin toss, because that paragraph makes no sense. No one knows if a teams prefers to receive it or kick it. Every team is different and therefore, that is a biased statement.-- Kmbball45 ( talk) 18:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
OK, I'm quite sure about roughing the kicker after the ball was kicked, but what if the kicker was sacked before he can even get the ball off the foot? Does that also count as running into or roughing the kicker? TimHowardII ( talk) 08:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Are you allowed to where a dark visor? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.196.32.183 ( talk • contribs) 22:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
i witnessed a rule being enforced this weekend in the CARDINALS VS. COWBOYS game. I would love for someone to explain this. A quarterback is trying to throw the football for a pass, and at the last moment, "tucks" it back in, understanding He's about to get sacked in the end zone.He's smothered at the one yard line, fumbles the ball into the end zone, and the opposing team recovers the ball in their end zone. result: touchdown for the defense!!!
never happened. the judges invoked a new rule concerning a "tuck" rule that resulted in the possesing team recieving a first & ten at the ten yard line.
i must be on drugs!!! anybody care to explain this "new rule"????????
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This is as attempt to define by rule when exactly a QB is "passing" and when he isn't. I think it is result of a play a year or 2 ago when there was a question on whether a particular play should have been ruled that the QB's arm was in forward motion, and hence the result was an incomplete pass, or whether he was pulling the ball down and "tucking" it away, and hence should be a fumble. I think the idea is to make it such that the ref doesn't have to try to read the QB's mind as to what his intent was.
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23:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Could a knowledgeable editor please add to both the "offside" and "encroachment" sections an explanation of when exactly each of these penalties would be called? Tempshill ( talk) 18:01, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Currently, illegal motion only says that it is when "a player in motion is moving forward at the time of the snap". But shouldn't it also include two (or more) players in motion at the same time prior to snap? Jason Quinn ( talk) 18:57, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
The article does not make it clear, and it should make it clear, who has possession of the ball at the end of each quarter, and where the ball starts out at the beginning of each quarter. — Lowellian ( reply) 21:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I added stuff here, feel free to remove if it doesn't make sense...but this happened in tonight's (1/4/2009) Eagles v. Vikings game and I thought i deserved some merit in Wikipedia. Thanks! -- Scottymoze ( talk) 23:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Is the number of yards that can be gained in one 'down' (or four downs) unlimited, or can it be no more than ten yards? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drstk ( talk • contribs) 22:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
I checked the ESPN, USA Today, and Washington Post summaries for Sunday's Bengals–Redskins game. All of them refer to the result as a "27–27 tie"; none of them use the phrase "27–all". In keeping with WP:ENGVAR, then, should this article not maintain American usage and report the score as 27–27? — C.Fred ( talk) 22:37, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
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I went to this page to find the weight of a football and...nothing! Aren't the weight, size, and shape of a US football prescribed by rules? And these rules vary for professional and collegiate play, both known as "American Football", true? Martindo ( talk) 09:54, 28 October 2020 (UTC)