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i think the american saddlebred horse is the most beautiful horse of all and i need some help because i am doing a short projesct on the American Saddlebred orse can u help chelsea —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Boyzluvmemoor ( talk • contribs).
Please DO NOT CREATE GALLARIES in wikipedia articles, they are discouraged (and also grow exponentially). However, for the purpose of easy access to images that may be used to improve various articles I am placing the ones here that were put into the article that aren't already being used there. Montanabw (talk) 19:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
the american saddle horse is also recognized by his speed,moves,high stepping steps,jumps,hunter and also alert
According to wikipedia Ulysses S. Grant´s Horse Cincinatee he was a 17 hand Thourobred. Ryttar, 8 Dec. 2008
The question on the importance of this article is twofold: 1) If the article is still start class, does that take away from the significance of the topic? (i.e. do we punish the topic because the article needs work?) and 2) If a breed is pretty significant in one particular nation, but of relatively little worldwide influence, were do we put these? "Influence" is not only on other breeds, but also cultural, sociological, etc... Fjords and Finnhorses would be in this area also ... is a very significant horse in a little nation of less importance than a moderately significant horse in a big nation? Is population of the breed a factor? I guess I'm not going to the mat for the importance of this particular breed, just thinking about what goes into the assessment. Montanabw (talk) 23:27, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
1) Widespreadedness - how large its native population is, how many established breed associations it has, how many countries have a viable population, how completely it dominates an international equestrian sport (or a similar activity), and how major that sport is. Examples:
2) Historical influence in equestrian world - how long has it existed? How long is the recorded (not speculated) history of the breed in its current form? How many breeds it has significantly influenced, how do those rank in WPEQ importance, and how widely it influenced them; and if we were doing this list when it was extanct, how major would it be in the previous point (#1)?
3) Relevance to non-equestrian world, both contemporary and historical
4) How well known it is in the grass roots of the equestrian world; how "legendary" or "infamous" it is; how many pony girls dream of owning one; how likely it is to appear in a stable yard argument in a phrase such as "Yeah, but [breed] are even prettier/nicer/cooler/awesomer!" or "No one wants a [breed], they're boring/dumb/sucky/so last season"? And in how many countries that conversation could be had without anyone going "[breedname], what's that? Never heard!"? How many of that breed has Bob Langrish photographed, and how many jigsaw puzzles of that breed populate attics worldwide? How likely it is to appear in a random horse breed book? A random "all about horses" book? A random "My First Pony Book"? A random "my dream stable" PC game?
*steams* -- Pitke ( talk) 09:50, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Where to begin? WikiProjects usually just do high, mid and low. No need to get too refined there (put it all in "low" and then see what's worth moving up?) Yeah, if you want to move this whole thread over to WPEQ for everyone to discuss, I'm good with that. (Just leave it here with a note, maybe we can do a strikeout after the move to stop the discussion here and get people to go there). Your point is well-taken that the this (the Saddlebred) article is a good example of the dilemma of deciding where to draw the line. Low or Mid? You have some good ideas on what we should be thinking about. Overall significance of various breeds? What's high? TBs, Arabs, easy. After that it gets real muddy. Andalusians, maybe, but who can make the argument that they are MORE significant than the Lipizzan, as both have similar ancestry and antiquity; Friesians? Significant? They aren't as old as their fans want them to be, so nah, but maybe similar to Lipizzans. Vanners? Oh god no, little girls love them, but do we want My Little Pony ranked "high?" =:-O The big drafts? Maybe, but why not the Belgian horse, which is far more numerous and influential (at least over here)? You see the dilemma. Google hits would place the American Quarter Horse as #1, probably, I swear every American interested in horses gets issued one at least once in their life! (Even my family owned one, once, when I was a kid.) Yet they have influenced very few new breeds and have only existed officially since 1945. Mid due to numbers and influence, though. After all, the FEI just pretty much was forced to create international sport out of something that was localized to the US west ( reining) and just for them until about 15 years ago.
I temporary hid the harness horse image because over on commons, the uploader, Princess Mérida, has been banned and blocked as a sockpuppet, and that editor uploaded TONS of watermarked horse images from Flickr that are all indicated as by "Author:Heather Moreton." This particular one has had the watermark removed, but I think unless we get an OTRS OK from Heather Moreton, my concern is that the images will be challenged later. (They're great images, but all watermarked -- or once watermarked -- to this one photographer). I like the idea of having a harness horse image, though. Just happen to be aware that there could be a problem (same banned editor uploaded a ton of photos identified as "Morabs" and "ponies" even though clearly labeled as other breeds... sigh) Montanabw (talk) 18:29, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Do you think this is a better harness image, if we can fix the Moreton situation? Montanabw (talk) 20:39, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
For future reference, do you think this will ever pass muster as a RS? It's thorough and seems pretty accurate, but is also self-published Thoughts? Montanabw (talk) 18:33, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
OK, is there anything else major, or are we good to go for a GA run? Dana boomer ( talk) 16:47, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Added a three-gaited horse and swapped a muddy photo for a better one of a five-gaited horse. What think you of this new image to swap yet again for the harness horse? Kind of artsy with the blur, prettier horse, but the cart not shown. Your call! ;)
. Your call. Montanabw (talk) 21:23, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
The article asserts that several horses of "the Golden Age of Hollywood" were played by American Saddlebred horses, among them the star horses in the films My Friend Flicka and National Velvet. I do not think this holds up to inspection.
The claim cites one article in The Equine Chronicle Online, but the statement in that article is itself not supported by a quotation or reference to other evidence. This would not normally be significant (the website seems credible), except for the fact that the National Velvet claim is clearly refuted by several highly authoritative sources that are specifically dedicated to the discussing identity of the film horse.
National Velvet is identified as a thoroughbred named "King Charles" and a grandson of Man O' War by The Times of London, The Classic Film Union, IMDb, Turner Classic Movies, and a whole host of fan sites.
The question of Flicka is more difficult to trace. Turner Classic Media, which owns the rights to the 1943 (ie "the Golden Age of Hollywood" era) My Friend Flicka, and the American Film Institute list the horse that played her as "Country Delight, a horse". Different sites make contradictory claims about that horse's breeding: one asserts that the human star, Roddy McDowell, described the horse as being an Arabian. Others do say that it was a Saddlebred. None of them (as far as I can see) provide citations to original interviews or sources.
The article also makes an unsourced claim that Mr Ed was an American Saddlebred. However, IMDb states that Mr Ed was a Saddlebred-Arabian cross named Bamboo Harvester, the Wikipedia article on Mr. Ed describes the horse as being of "American Saddlebred, Arabian and grade ancestry", which is supported by the Allbreed Database.
This being the case, think it is only right to delete the reference to National Velvet, add a reference-needed tag to Flicka, and clarify that Mr Ed was a cross-bred Saddlebred. WarlanderHorse ( talk) 17:20, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Dana: Would you consider this a reliable source: http://www.horseshowcentral.com/flex/saddlebred_stallions/157/1 Montanabw (talk) 01:04, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
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In general the article is well laid out and well-written. Because I am from the UK, I tend to think usages that are not acceptable in British English are wrong. However, if you feel some of the points that I don't like are OK in the United States, you should disregard what I say. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 13:34, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Do we need any of these?
I think there's also a couple pictures on Commons of the conformation part of a stake class, with the saddles stripped from the horses. There are quite a few, probably 50, ASB pics on there that are not within the breed category, although I tried to fix that with a few of them.
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i think the american saddlebred horse is the most beautiful horse of all and i need some help because i am doing a short projesct on the American Saddlebred orse can u help chelsea —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Boyzluvmemoor ( talk • contribs).
Please DO NOT CREATE GALLARIES in wikipedia articles, they are discouraged (and also grow exponentially). However, for the purpose of easy access to images that may be used to improve various articles I am placing the ones here that were put into the article that aren't already being used there. Montanabw (talk) 19:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
the american saddle horse is also recognized by his speed,moves,high stepping steps,jumps,hunter and also alert
According to wikipedia Ulysses S. Grant´s Horse Cincinatee he was a 17 hand Thourobred. Ryttar, 8 Dec. 2008
The question on the importance of this article is twofold: 1) If the article is still start class, does that take away from the significance of the topic? (i.e. do we punish the topic because the article needs work?) and 2) If a breed is pretty significant in one particular nation, but of relatively little worldwide influence, were do we put these? "Influence" is not only on other breeds, but also cultural, sociological, etc... Fjords and Finnhorses would be in this area also ... is a very significant horse in a little nation of less importance than a moderately significant horse in a big nation? Is population of the breed a factor? I guess I'm not going to the mat for the importance of this particular breed, just thinking about what goes into the assessment. Montanabw (talk) 23:27, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
1) Widespreadedness - how large its native population is, how many established breed associations it has, how many countries have a viable population, how completely it dominates an international equestrian sport (or a similar activity), and how major that sport is. Examples:
2) Historical influence in equestrian world - how long has it existed? How long is the recorded (not speculated) history of the breed in its current form? How many breeds it has significantly influenced, how do those rank in WPEQ importance, and how widely it influenced them; and if we were doing this list when it was extanct, how major would it be in the previous point (#1)?
3) Relevance to non-equestrian world, both contemporary and historical
4) How well known it is in the grass roots of the equestrian world; how "legendary" or "infamous" it is; how many pony girls dream of owning one; how likely it is to appear in a stable yard argument in a phrase such as "Yeah, but [breed] are even prettier/nicer/cooler/awesomer!" or "No one wants a [breed], they're boring/dumb/sucky/so last season"? And in how many countries that conversation could be had without anyone going "[breedname], what's that? Never heard!"? How many of that breed has Bob Langrish photographed, and how many jigsaw puzzles of that breed populate attics worldwide? How likely it is to appear in a random horse breed book? A random "all about horses" book? A random "My First Pony Book"? A random "my dream stable" PC game?
*steams* -- Pitke ( talk) 09:50, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Where to begin? WikiProjects usually just do high, mid and low. No need to get too refined there (put it all in "low" and then see what's worth moving up?) Yeah, if you want to move this whole thread over to WPEQ for everyone to discuss, I'm good with that. (Just leave it here with a note, maybe we can do a strikeout after the move to stop the discussion here and get people to go there). Your point is well-taken that the this (the Saddlebred) article is a good example of the dilemma of deciding where to draw the line. Low or Mid? You have some good ideas on what we should be thinking about. Overall significance of various breeds? What's high? TBs, Arabs, easy. After that it gets real muddy. Andalusians, maybe, but who can make the argument that they are MORE significant than the Lipizzan, as both have similar ancestry and antiquity; Friesians? Significant? They aren't as old as their fans want them to be, so nah, but maybe similar to Lipizzans. Vanners? Oh god no, little girls love them, but do we want My Little Pony ranked "high?" =:-O The big drafts? Maybe, but why not the Belgian horse, which is far more numerous and influential (at least over here)? You see the dilemma. Google hits would place the American Quarter Horse as #1, probably, I swear every American interested in horses gets issued one at least once in their life! (Even my family owned one, once, when I was a kid.) Yet they have influenced very few new breeds and have only existed officially since 1945. Mid due to numbers and influence, though. After all, the FEI just pretty much was forced to create international sport out of something that was localized to the US west ( reining) and just for them until about 15 years ago.
I temporary hid the harness horse image because over on commons, the uploader, Princess Mérida, has been banned and blocked as a sockpuppet, and that editor uploaded TONS of watermarked horse images from Flickr that are all indicated as by "Author:Heather Moreton." This particular one has had the watermark removed, but I think unless we get an OTRS OK from Heather Moreton, my concern is that the images will be challenged later. (They're great images, but all watermarked -- or once watermarked -- to this one photographer). I like the idea of having a harness horse image, though. Just happen to be aware that there could be a problem (same banned editor uploaded a ton of photos identified as "Morabs" and "ponies" even though clearly labeled as other breeds... sigh) Montanabw (talk) 18:29, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Do you think this is a better harness image, if we can fix the Moreton situation? Montanabw (talk) 20:39, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
For future reference, do you think this will ever pass muster as a RS? It's thorough and seems pretty accurate, but is also self-published Thoughts? Montanabw (talk) 18:33, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
OK, is there anything else major, or are we good to go for a GA run? Dana boomer ( talk) 16:47, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Added a three-gaited horse and swapped a muddy photo for a better one of a five-gaited horse. What think you of this new image to swap yet again for the harness horse? Kind of artsy with the blur, prettier horse, but the cart not shown. Your call! ;)
. Your call. Montanabw (talk) 21:23, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
The article asserts that several horses of "the Golden Age of Hollywood" were played by American Saddlebred horses, among them the star horses in the films My Friend Flicka and National Velvet. I do not think this holds up to inspection.
The claim cites one article in The Equine Chronicle Online, but the statement in that article is itself not supported by a quotation or reference to other evidence. This would not normally be significant (the website seems credible), except for the fact that the National Velvet claim is clearly refuted by several highly authoritative sources that are specifically dedicated to the discussing identity of the film horse.
National Velvet is identified as a thoroughbred named "King Charles" and a grandson of Man O' War by The Times of London, The Classic Film Union, IMDb, Turner Classic Movies, and a whole host of fan sites.
The question of Flicka is more difficult to trace. Turner Classic Media, which owns the rights to the 1943 (ie "the Golden Age of Hollywood" era) My Friend Flicka, and the American Film Institute list the horse that played her as "Country Delight, a horse". Different sites make contradictory claims about that horse's breeding: one asserts that the human star, Roddy McDowell, described the horse as being an Arabian. Others do say that it was a Saddlebred. None of them (as far as I can see) provide citations to original interviews or sources.
The article also makes an unsourced claim that Mr Ed was an American Saddlebred. However, IMDb states that Mr Ed was a Saddlebred-Arabian cross named Bamboo Harvester, the Wikipedia article on Mr. Ed describes the horse as being of "American Saddlebred, Arabian and grade ancestry", which is supported by the Allbreed Database.
This being the case, think it is only right to delete the reference to National Velvet, add a reference-needed tag to Flicka, and clarify that Mr Ed was a cross-bred Saddlebred. WarlanderHorse ( talk) 17:20, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Dana: Would you consider this a reliable source: http://www.horseshowcentral.com/flex/saddlebred_stallions/157/1 Montanabw (talk) 01:04, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
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In general the article is well laid out and well-written. Because I am from the UK, I tend to think usages that are not acceptable in British English are wrong. However, if you feel some of the points that I don't like are OK in the United States, you should disregard what I say. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 13:34, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Do we need any of these?
I think there's also a couple pictures on Commons of the conformation part of a stake class, with the saddles stripped from the horses. There are quite a few, probably 50, ASB pics on there that are not within the breed category, although I tried to fix that with a few of them.
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