This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
American Protective Association article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
While this article claims the APA never had any political success, I've seen several sources that claim the APA inspired anti-German language instruction laws in Wisconsin and Illinois in the 1880's.
How in the world is this organization in any way Jewish if the article itself states that it was composed in large part of Irish Protestants? Ykerzner ( talk) 02:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Obviously, cleaning up this mess is going to take a bunch of time and is going to have to work around some "ownership" issues. You will accept "nativist" and "nationalist," I presume, or do I need to dig up expert sourcing for those similar statements of the patently obvious? Also, it is an absurdity to claim that this is a Canadian organization transported to America, as you intimate.
Books first, writing later, obviously. To be continued... Also, please list a city for the self-published source you use. Thanks, —tim ///
Carrite (
talk) 06:42, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Britannica's extremely crappy piece has date of the APA's final extinction as 1911. LINK Carrite ( talk) 21:26, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
JAH review article of the Kinzer book (en route) has the greatly dissipated organization "virtually disappearing" in 1911 with the death of Bowers. LINK. Carrite ( talk) 21:35, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Review of the Kinzer book in Indiana Journal of History ( LINK) has two APAs — a federative group of independent patriotic organizations (1894-1895) and a core Bowers dominated organization, 1887-1908. Both of these indicate it was their lack of influence in the 1896 election that dealt the real blow to the organization, rather than any sort of "attack" by the Democrats (or the Populists). Carrite ( talk) 21:41, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
According to Manfra (1996) "no monograph on the APA has appeared since Kinzer's" (1964) [See: pg. 139, fn. 2]. I've found reference to Les Wallace, The Rhetoric of Anti-Catholicism: The American Protective Association, 1887-1911. (Garland: 1990) in 100+ libraries ( LINK), but none in my state, no copies on the market — new or used, and no look at a single page from Google Books. So she seems to have missed that one. I don't think there is any monograph since that. The key pioneering efforts seem to be Bliss (ed.), The Cyclopedia of Social Reform (1897) and Desmond, The APA Movement (1912). I have not scanned for dissertations yet... Carrite ( talk) 01:54, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
This is an American organization, therefore (Month Day, Year) dates should be used per consensus and Manual of Style, not Euro-style (Day Month Year). Any objection to this change, and if so, by what rationale? Carrite ( talk) 18:43, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
There seems to have been a Fourierist group by the name circa 1844 and another organization, probably advocates of protective tariffs, during the 1870s. Carrite ( talk) 21:41, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
The section titled "Legacy" refers to a separate group with the same name and the same anti-Catholic thrust, which "contributed anti-Catholicism to the defeats of Democratic candidate Timothy S. Hogan and incumbent Democratic Governor James M. Cox". However James Cox was a Protestant so this seems at the least misleading.
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
American Protective Association article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
While this article claims the APA never had any political success, I've seen several sources that claim the APA inspired anti-German language instruction laws in Wisconsin and Illinois in the 1880's.
How in the world is this organization in any way Jewish if the article itself states that it was composed in large part of Irish Protestants? Ykerzner ( talk) 02:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Obviously, cleaning up this mess is going to take a bunch of time and is going to have to work around some "ownership" issues. You will accept "nativist" and "nationalist," I presume, or do I need to dig up expert sourcing for those similar statements of the patently obvious? Also, it is an absurdity to claim that this is a Canadian organization transported to America, as you intimate.
Books first, writing later, obviously. To be continued... Also, please list a city for the self-published source you use. Thanks, —tim ///
Carrite (
talk) 06:42, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Britannica's extremely crappy piece has date of the APA's final extinction as 1911. LINK Carrite ( talk) 21:26, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
JAH review article of the Kinzer book (en route) has the greatly dissipated organization "virtually disappearing" in 1911 with the death of Bowers. LINK. Carrite ( talk) 21:35, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
Review of the Kinzer book in Indiana Journal of History ( LINK) has two APAs — a federative group of independent patriotic organizations (1894-1895) and a core Bowers dominated organization, 1887-1908. Both of these indicate it was their lack of influence in the 1896 election that dealt the real blow to the organization, rather than any sort of "attack" by the Democrats (or the Populists). Carrite ( talk) 21:41, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
According to Manfra (1996) "no monograph on the APA has appeared since Kinzer's" (1964) [See: pg. 139, fn. 2]. I've found reference to Les Wallace, The Rhetoric of Anti-Catholicism: The American Protective Association, 1887-1911. (Garland: 1990) in 100+ libraries ( LINK), but none in my state, no copies on the market — new or used, and no look at a single page from Google Books. So she seems to have missed that one. I don't think there is any monograph since that. The key pioneering efforts seem to be Bliss (ed.), The Cyclopedia of Social Reform (1897) and Desmond, The APA Movement (1912). I have not scanned for dissertations yet... Carrite ( talk) 01:54, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
This is an American organization, therefore (Month Day, Year) dates should be used per consensus and Manual of Style, not Euro-style (Day Month Year). Any objection to this change, and if so, by what rationale? Carrite ( talk) 18:43, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
There seems to have been a Fourierist group by the name circa 1844 and another organization, probably advocates of protective tariffs, during the 1870s. Carrite ( talk) 21:41, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
The section titled "Legacy" refers to a separate group with the same name and the same anti-Catholic thrust, which "contributed anti-Catholicism to the defeats of Democratic candidate Timothy S. Hogan and incumbent Democratic Governor James M. Cox". However James Cox was a Protestant so this seems at the least misleading.