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Thanks to all who helped improve the article by putting it into a more US English idiom. I've been writing articles of US racehorses for years but I still lapse into "colour", "favourite", "2 May" and can't help putting the definite article into constructions like "by eight lengths from THE Southwest Stakes winner Far Right". Tigerboy1966 22:18, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Why does it say Country: Great Britain? He was bred in Kentucky. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.136.82.238 ( talk) 23:27, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
I've expanded the section to include fifth- and sixth-generation notables including Secretariat and Tom Fool, a horse who also figures separately in his seventh and eighth generations. I've resisted bringing up Nasrullah, Miss Disco (who appears three times in his bloodline and who is notable as the grandam of Secretariat), Heliopolis, War Admiral and Man o' War, though I am struck by how often they come up in the sixth through tenth generations, War Admiral five times, and Man o' War in an astonishing 15 instances. Very interesting if you are curious about these things! — Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 01:37, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Hey all, as we work on this article, I am going to beseech everyone to try and keep consistent footnote citation format as you go. First off, because a lot of the same writers contribute multiple stories, I've found it simplest in other articles to do <ref name=LastnameDate /> for the ref names. Also, if this article goes to FAC, (which I will be tempted to do), the low-hanging fruit for FAC reviewers is the nitpick the citation formatting totally to death! If possible, can we say Blood-Horse instead of Bloodhorse.com and such? (Usually this just means making a couple of manual tweaks if you use refill) Also, while we can certainly by consensus change the formatting style, whatever it is, it has to be consistent and make use of the citation templates—manual formatting looks OK, but the FAC gnomes whine about it...and I choose my battles :-P . I'm cool with mostly using {{ citeweb}} and the others available via the pull-down menu in the editing box, or you can do the raw urls and run refill - IF you manually tweak the parameters it misses and check the "access date" parameter so that it is not omitted. But pleasepleaseplease do - it's such a pain to go fix them later (and we always miss a few anyway). See Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/California Chrome/archive1, Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Oxbow (horse)/archive1, and Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mucho Macho Man/archive1 if you doubt the intensity of the gauntlet... :-P I'll go through and fix anything that's in there now that I spot, but if everyone else can keep their own cites similar, I'd be ever so grateful! Montanabw (talk) 04:06, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Queen Zetta (see her Equineline bloodline here) is marked on the Wikipedia Pedigree chart as "Family:14". Do we have a reliable source for that, or a reliable source confirming American Pharoah in Family 14 by mitochondrial DNA? Is there a publicly-accessible database we could reference?
American Pharoah's tail-male ancestry, of course, can be traced back through Eclipse to the Darley Arabian. Family 14 would link American Pharoah to The Oldfield Mare (circa 1695), about whom we know nothing except that she was "highly bred".
(Interestingly, from a glance at the Equineline pedigree for Miami Mood, dam of Queen Zetta, we have "not on file" her fifth generation maternal grandam, her name lost to the mists of time...) — Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 06:07, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
A certain 18th C Lord Gower, I'm guessing John Leveson-Gower, 1st Earl Gower, owned and raced a horse named "Pharoah" (born c. 1753, sired by Moses), spelled as such in contemporary accounts and in turf books through the early 19th C. If you Google "Lord Gower's Pharoah" you'll find examples; some later accounts correct him to "Pharaoh". He's also an "American", as this particular Thoroughbred was sent to South Carolina after a successful English racing career, competing, of course, in an era before spelling principles became so rigid. In any event it's worth noting American Pharoah's supposed misspelling is not entirely without equestrian precedent. There are also five more recent horses named "Pharoah" in the Equineline database, including a gelding in South Africa that, as chance would have it, is not so distantly related to our own. — Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 07:25, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
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Enough for now, I'll put the article on hold, but I do have a niggling concern over what the impact of a win in the Belmont Stakes might have on this article... The Rambling Man ( talk) 12:15, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
I've responded to some of the questions in line above, much closer. Minor query, in note j, is "6 x 5 " a multiplication sign or an x? It should be the former... The Rambling Man ( talk) 07:56, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
@ The Rambling Man:. Anything more we have to fix? Montanabw (talk) 22:14, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
some talk page stuff got put here, I'm moving it to talk. Montanabw (talk) 07:45, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
OK, I made a few changes, I noticed that there are a few online references which don't have accessdates
so could you address that please?
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Good work folks, happy now and promoting to GA. The Rambling Man ( talk) 18:34, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
I don't see how that particular book supports the claim. We need a better footnote for this. (It can be done synthetically by spelling out the tail-male genealogy, which passes through Eclipse, though that could be cumbersome! But all but one or two in his line have their own Wikipedia entries so at least it's straightforward.) By the way, Darley Arabian is an article greatly in need of improvement, it doesn't even mention that he was stolen! — Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 00:47, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Some stuff I've seen but haven't gotten around to using, so sharing: Montanabw (talk) 06:25, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
This article is continuously being vandalized. Can we lock it or whatever you call it. Jameswrjobe53 ( talk) 23:09, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
The "Triple Crown" link in the opening paragraph needs to be to Triple Crown of Thoroughbred Racing (United States), not just to the Triple Crown disambiguation page as it is now. 2600:1004:B16D:AA57:A037:1F9A:164E:564E ( talk) 23:11, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
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TV said margin of victory in the belmont was 5 1/2 lengths.
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the owner of American Pharoah is NOT Osama bin Laden
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Please remove 2nd colon from 2015 Belmont Stakes section's winning time. S/B 2:26.65 Thanks.
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Fixed that. Thanks for letting us know! Montanabw (talk) 04:12, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
They'll be some flux, but I'm anticipating an evolution from GA to FA. And with that in mind, I'd suggest developing a little section (while the clips are still current) on why American Pharoah couldn't possibly win the Triple Crown, why NO horse could ever win it again, facing a field which regularly sits out the Derby and/or Preakness. And here I was watching a horse with extraordinary amplitude and endurance improving over the last five weeks, even putting on weight—well, I'm just grateful the victory was as decisive as it was, to put paid to the naysayers! My schadenfreude is pretty big right now. — Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 01:45, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
More potential source material. Be aware that some of this stuff could duplicate each other. Also, some links will expire, particularly anything from Gannett, which moves its stuff to a paid archive, as will Boston Globe and papers in that "family." One reason I use NYT so much is that they are good about not doing that. FWIW, Sports Illustrated will keep articles, but it will change the links to them. ANyone who wants to try and get wayback to archive as much as possible is wise. Montanabw (talk) 08:29, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
And we must do something about the Montana-bred ex-reining horse, Smokey aka This Whiz Shines, the track pony! Montanabw (talk) 08:36, 7 June 2015 (UTC) :
More from June 7:
More:
Yet more:
By the way, have you seen the page view spike? It will die down, of course, but the article will have significant readership as long as Wikipedia is around. Nice thought. — Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 01:23, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
It will never end... Montanabw (talk) 08:53, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Tons and tons of assorted statistics and trivia: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/92522/the-figs-american-pharoahs-triple-crown
There is a new photo of the Belmont win https://www.flickr.com/photos/ragingmike/18081280603/ from Mike Lizzi on Flickr. He has made it CC but it has a prominent copyright watermark in the left corner. I've uploaded one of his photos before that was similarly marked (2012 Belmont) but thought I would ask before uploading (since I got burned on the CC Dubai photo). Froggerlaura ribbit 15:54, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
There is a policy on watermarks at Commons: "uploading of files with visible but relatively unobtrusive watermarks is merely discouraged, not prohibited." Looks to me like the image has the proper copyright, I say upload it, give it a few days for the gnomes to look it over, maybe even find a friendly Commons admin to reassure you, and proceed until apprehended. The Dubai one was a bust because France Sire TV changed their licensing and you just didn't catch it! ;-) Montanabw (talk) 22:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Was wondering what y'all think of me putting this article up for Peer Review in anticipation of a FAC run. I had FA for California Chrome by about August of last year. Anyone else in? (Or at least, any caveats ?) Montanabw (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
I decided that PR will just be a time sink and has a huge backlog, I'm going to nominate this for FAC. We can continue to make assorted improvements to the article so long as we aren't making mass changes that impact stability. I'm adding some stuff to fill in the blanks, feel free to tweak if needed. Montanabw (talk) 04:50, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
I found this on Vimeo. There is no sound because I had to edit out a non-free song excerpt and there is no soundtrack from the original video. Has nice crowd reaction to the win. Froggerlaura ribbit 17:23, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
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I am confused as to what a "grand slam" is. The reference is made in the lead section and it is not explained. Hence why I am writing this question. -- Xavier ( talk) 23:42, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
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Per WP:NOTNEWSPAPER, I removed this content: "Rather than immediately being moved to Ashford Stud, nine miles from the Keeneland racetrack, American Pharoah was expected to remain in Baffert's care into November, with a possible going-away party planned for him at Churchill Downs in Louisville, Kentucky." It was originally added here. All content that is added to an encylopedia should have enduring notability; now, a year from now, and many years from now. This content does not at all meet that standard. The information is not only time-sensitive because of its very temporary nature (a few weeks), it's also speculative and trivial. A going-away party or where he's going to reside for the next few weeks will be of no importance in the long run. Wikipedia is not a diary. Just be patient and wait until he's moved, then it can be added once it's published in reliable sources. Be patient. There's no rush. Czoal ( talk) 07:49, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
For the record, Czoal, this supposedly non-notable material was sourced to The New York Times which reported it specifically to contradict inaccurate reports that Pharoah would be immediately taken from Keeneland to Coolmore Stud. As Montanabw points out, Pharoah's relationship to the public has included non-racing exhibitions which have played a huge role in his appeal. Pharoah is considered a Kentucky "native son", and there is pride taken that he born, bred and buttered in Lexington. I do think the casual reader of Wikipedia deserves to know there could be a chance to see him again before he surrenders to Studville, just as I think the Times was right to report on it. Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 20:07, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
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Just leaving this here for now [13] Tigerboy1966 09:49, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
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Anyway, back to American Pharoah. It may be interesting to include the fact that he ran the last 1/4-mile of the Breeder's Cup Classic faster than any horse in the race. His finishing fractions were so fast, that even the late-charging Honor Code finished slower than American Pharoah did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.240.172.212 ( talk • contribs) 18:44, November 29, 2015 (UTC)
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/97377/american-pharoah-kentuckys-top-sportsman
Good article, in general. One note:
The fact that AP ran the final quarter mile faster than Secretariat in The Belmont, is deceptive, as other horses have accomplished the same thing. Secretariat ran a blistering 1:59 flat for the first mile and a quarter, whereas AP didn't start his "move" until the far turn and so would be expected to have a faster final quarter mile time. (Secretariat already had the race won on the far turn.) Moreover, Secretariat ran the full race well over two seconds faster, which is far more important, but isn't mentioned directly in the article. I think it's important not to present a pro-AP bias.
Best wishes, 65.199.189.6 ( talk) 17:27, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
To be published April 26 by Hachette: American Pharoah. Hard to forget all of Drape's neigh-saying! (See here and here.) Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 13:51, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Just a note to everybody who keeps "correcting" the spelling of American Pharoah and Pioneerof the Nile; they're spelled that way on purpose. American Pharoah began as a misspelling but the name was accepted by the Jockey Club. Pioneerof the Nile is spelled that way because the Jockey Club has a 20-character limit on names, and that includes spaces. White Arabian Filly Neigh 21:58, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
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Won her maiden race. Montanabw (talk) 22:49, 1 August 2016 (UTC): http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/213798/american-pharoahs-sis-wins-in-del-mar-debut
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Thanks to all who helped improve the article by putting it into a more US English idiom. I've been writing articles of US racehorses for years but I still lapse into "colour", "favourite", "2 May" and can't help putting the definite article into constructions like "by eight lengths from THE Southwest Stakes winner Far Right". Tigerboy1966 22:18, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Why does it say Country: Great Britain? He was bred in Kentucky. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.136.82.238 ( talk) 23:27, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
I've expanded the section to include fifth- and sixth-generation notables including Secretariat and Tom Fool, a horse who also figures separately in his seventh and eighth generations. I've resisted bringing up Nasrullah, Miss Disco (who appears three times in his bloodline and who is notable as the grandam of Secretariat), Heliopolis, War Admiral and Man o' War, though I am struck by how often they come up in the sixth through tenth generations, War Admiral five times, and Man o' War in an astonishing 15 instances. Very interesting if you are curious about these things! — Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 01:37, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Hey all, as we work on this article, I am going to beseech everyone to try and keep consistent footnote citation format as you go. First off, because a lot of the same writers contribute multiple stories, I've found it simplest in other articles to do <ref name=LastnameDate /> for the ref names. Also, if this article goes to FAC, (which I will be tempted to do), the low-hanging fruit for FAC reviewers is the nitpick the citation formatting totally to death! If possible, can we say Blood-Horse instead of Bloodhorse.com and such? (Usually this just means making a couple of manual tweaks if you use refill) Also, while we can certainly by consensus change the formatting style, whatever it is, it has to be consistent and make use of the citation templates—manual formatting looks OK, but the FAC gnomes whine about it...and I choose my battles :-P . I'm cool with mostly using {{ citeweb}} and the others available via the pull-down menu in the editing box, or you can do the raw urls and run refill - IF you manually tweak the parameters it misses and check the "access date" parameter so that it is not omitted. But pleasepleaseplease do - it's such a pain to go fix them later (and we always miss a few anyway). See Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/California Chrome/archive1, Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Oxbow (horse)/archive1, and Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mucho Macho Man/archive1 if you doubt the intensity of the gauntlet... :-P I'll go through and fix anything that's in there now that I spot, but if everyone else can keep their own cites similar, I'd be ever so grateful! Montanabw (talk) 04:06, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Queen Zetta (see her Equineline bloodline here) is marked on the Wikipedia Pedigree chart as "Family:14". Do we have a reliable source for that, or a reliable source confirming American Pharoah in Family 14 by mitochondrial DNA? Is there a publicly-accessible database we could reference?
American Pharoah's tail-male ancestry, of course, can be traced back through Eclipse to the Darley Arabian. Family 14 would link American Pharoah to The Oldfield Mare (circa 1695), about whom we know nothing except that she was "highly bred".
(Interestingly, from a glance at the Equineline pedigree for Miami Mood, dam of Queen Zetta, we have "not on file" her fifth generation maternal grandam, her name lost to the mists of time...) — Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 06:07, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
A certain 18th C Lord Gower, I'm guessing John Leveson-Gower, 1st Earl Gower, owned and raced a horse named "Pharoah" (born c. 1753, sired by Moses), spelled as such in contemporary accounts and in turf books through the early 19th C. If you Google "Lord Gower's Pharoah" you'll find examples; some later accounts correct him to "Pharaoh". He's also an "American", as this particular Thoroughbred was sent to South Carolina after a successful English racing career, competing, of course, in an era before spelling principles became so rigid. In any event it's worth noting American Pharoah's supposed misspelling is not entirely without equestrian precedent. There are also five more recent horses named "Pharoah" in the Equineline database, including a gelding in South Africa that, as chance would have it, is not so distantly related to our own. — Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 07:25, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
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Enough for now, I'll put the article on hold, but I do have a niggling concern over what the impact of a win in the Belmont Stakes might have on this article... The Rambling Man ( talk) 12:15, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
I've responded to some of the questions in line above, much closer. Minor query, in note j, is "6 x 5 " a multiplication sign or an x? It should be the former... The Rambling Man ( talk) 07:56, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
@ The Rambling Man:. Anything more we have to fix? Montanabw (talk) 22:14, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
some talk page stuff got put here, I'm moving it to talk. Montanabw (talk) 07:45, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
OK, I made a few changes, I noticed that there are a few online references which don't have accessdates
so could you address that please?
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Good work folks, happy now and promoting to GA. The Rambling Man ( talk) 18:34, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
I don't see how that particular book supports the claim. We need a better footnote for this. (It can be done synthetically by spelling out the tail-male genealogy, which passes through Eclipse, though that could be cumbersome! But all but one or two in his line have their own Wikipedia entries so at least it's straightforward.) By the way, Darley Arabian is an article greatly in need of improvement, it doesn't even mention that he was stolen! — Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 00:47, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Some stuff I've seen but haven't gotten around to using, so sharing: Montanabw (talk) 06:25, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
This article is continuously being vandalized. Can we lock it or whatever you call it. Jameswrjobe53 ( talk) 23:09, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
The "Triple Crown" link in the opening paragraph needs to be to Triple Crown of Thoroughbred Racing (United States), not just to the Triple Crown disambiguation page as it is now. 2600:1004:B16D:AA57:A037:1F9A:164E:564E ( talk) 23:11, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
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TV said margin of victory in the belmont was 5 1/2 lengths.
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the owner of American Pharoah is NOT Osama bin Laden
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Please remove 2nd colon from 2015 Belmont Stakes section's winning time. S/B 2:26.65 Thanks.
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Fixed that. Thanks for letting us know! Montanabw (talk) 04:12, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
They'll be some flux, but I'm anticipating an evolution from GA to FA. And with that in mind, I'd suggest developing a little section (while the clips are still current) on why American Pharoah couldn't possibly win the Triple Crown, why NO horse could ever win it again, facing a field which regularly sits out the Derby and/or Preakness. And here I was watching a horse with extraordinary amplitude and endurance improving over the last five weeks, even putting on weight—well, I'm just grateful the victory was as decisive as it was, to put paid to the naysayers! My schadenfreude is pretty big right now. — Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 01:45, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
More potential source material. Be aware that some of this stuff could duplicate each other. Also, some links will expire, particularly anything from Gannett, which moves its stuff to a paid archive, as will Boston Globe and papers in that "family." One reason I use NYT so much is that they are good about not doing that. FWIW, Sports Illustrated will keep articles, but it will change the links to them. ANyone who wants to try and get wayback to archive as much as possible is wise. Montanabw (talk) 08:29, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
And we must do something about the Montana-bred ex-reining horse, Smokey aka This Whiz Shines, the track pony! Montanabw (talk) 08:36, 7 June 2015 (UTC) :
More from June 7:
More:
Yet more:
By the way, have you seen the page view spike? It will die down, of course, but the article will have significant readership as long as Wikipedia is around. Nice thought. — Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 01:23, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
It will never end... Montanabw (talk) 08:53, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Tons and tons of assorted statistics and trivia: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/92522/the-figs-american-pharoahs-triple-crown
There is a new photo of the Belmont win https://www.flickr.com/photos/ragingmike/18081280603/ from Mike Lizzi on Flickr. He has made it CC but it has a prominent copyright watermark in the left corner. I've uploaded one of his photos before that was similarly marked (2012 Belmont) but thought I would ask before uploading (since I got burned on the CC Dubai photo). Froggerlaura ribbit 15:54, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
There is a policy on watermarks at Commons: "uploading of files with visible but relatively unobtrusive watermarks is merely discouraged, not prohibited." Looks to me like the image has the proper copyright, I say upload it, give it a few days for the gnomes to look it over, maybe even find a friendly Commons admin to reassure you, and proceed until apprehended. The Dubai one was a bust because France Sire TV changed their licensing and you just didn't catch it! ;-) Montanabw (talk) 22:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Was wondering what y'all think of me putting this article up for Peer Review in anticipation of a FAC run. I had FA for California Chrome by about August of last year. Anyone else in? (Or at least, any caveats ?) Montanabw (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
I decided that PR will just be a time sink and has a huge backlog, I'm going to nominate this for FAC. We can continue to make assorted improvements to the article so long as we aren't making mass changes that impact stability. I'm adding some stuff to fill in the blanks, feel free to tweak if needed. Montanabw (talk) 04:50, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
I found this on Vimeo. There is no sound because I had to edit out a non-free song excerpt and there is no soundtrack from the original video. Has nice crowd reaction to the win. Froggerlaura ribbit 17:23, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
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I am confused as to what a "grand slam" is. The reference is made in the lead section and it is not explained. Hence why I am writing this question. -- Xavier ( talk) 23:42, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
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Per WP:NOTNEWSPAPER, I removed this content: "Rather than immediately being moved to Ashford Stud, nine miles from the Keeneland racetrack, American Pharoah was expected to remain in Baffert's care into November, with a possible going-away party planned for him at Churchill Downs in Louisville, Kentucky." It was originally added here. All content that is added to an encylopedia should have enduring notability; now, a year from now, and many years from now. This content does not at all meet that standard. The information is not only time-sensitive because of its very temporary nature (a few weeks), it's also speculative and trivial. A going-away party or where he's going to reside for the next few weeks will be of no importance in the long run. Wikipedia is not a diary. Just be patient and wait until he's moved, then it can be added once it's published in reliable sources. Be patient. There's no rush. Czoal ( talk) 07:49, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
For the record, Czoal, this supposedly non-notable material was sourced to The New York Times which reported it specifically to contradict inaccurate reports that Pharoah would be immediately taken from Keeneland to Coolmore Stud. As Montanabw points out, Pharoah's relationship to the public has included non-racing exhibitions which have played a huge role in his appeal. Pharoah is considered a Kentucky "native son", and there is pride taken that he born, bred and buttered in Lexington. I do think the casual reader of Wikipedia deserves to know there could be a chance to see him again before he surrenders to Studville, just as I think the Times was right to report on it. Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 20:07, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
--- Well that was quick! Czoal is now banned as a confirmed sock of Lootbrewed. Now that he's beyond objecting, we can give the link to the ANI where the discussion, mercifully enough, is now closed. Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 12:25, 3 November 2015 (UTC) |
Just leaving this here for now [13] Tigerboy1966 09:49, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
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Can't stand all the rules and b.s. of Wikipedia editing. It takes a special type to get involved. I find on topics of government interest that certain editors overly scrutinize and hide behind technicalities in order to strike legitimate data from the Wiki pages. It makes me wonder about the objectivity of this system. It is used in some cases as a place where government institutions and agencies can put information so that it looks authoritative and supports an official, approved position. Quite sickening. I can give examples if necessary. |
Anyway, back to American Pharoah. It may be interesting to include the fact that he ran the last 1/4-mile of the Breeder's Cup Classic faster than any horse in the race. His finishing fractions were so fast, that even the late-charging Honor Code finished slower than American Pharoah did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.240.172.212 ( talk • contribs) 18:44, November 29, 2015 (UTC)
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/97377/american-pharoah-kentuckys-top-sportsman
Good article, in general. One note:
The fact that AP ran the final quarter mile faster than Secretariat in The Belmont, is deceptive, as other horses have accomplished the same thing. Secretariat ran a blistering 1:59 flat for the first mile and a quarter, whereas AP didn't start his "move" until the far turn and so would be expected to have a faster final quarter mile time. (Secretariat already had the race won on the far turn.) Moreover, Secretariat ran the full race well over two seconds faster, which is far more important, but isn't mentioned directly in the article. I think it's important not to present a pro-AP bias.
Best wishes, 65.199.189.6 ( talk) 17:27, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
To be published April 26 by Hachette: American Pharoah. Hard to forget all of Drape's neigh-saying! (See here and here.) Vesuvius Dogg ( talk) 13:51, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Just a note to everybody who keeps "correcting" the spelling of American Pharoah and Pioneerof the Nile; they're spelled that way on purpose. American Pharoah began as a misspelling but the name was accepted by the Jockey Club. Pioneerof the Nile is spelled that way because the Jockey Club has a 20-character limit on names, and that includes spaces. White Arabian Filly Neigh 21:58, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
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Won her maiden race. Montanabw (talk) 22:49, 1 August 2016 (UTC): http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/213798/american-pharoahs-sis-wins-in-del-mar-debut
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