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Because no sources are cited, the veracity of this article is suspect, particularly the $36 Billion in donations. In 2005 dollars, that would represent nearly $485 Billion, which even for these guys seems excessive. -- RickAguirre 30 June 2005 23:05 (UTC)
All the allegations re the Liberty League come from Spivak's NAzi propaganda. Rjensen 15:23, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
This page should be added to the A.L.L. catigory
This page should have a lot more on it now, especially on Prescott Bush's role.
In its opinion, the Roosevelt Administration was leading the U.S. toward fascism... and yet the ALL was allegedly a backer of the Business Plot which sought to install Fascist leadership in Washington?
Fascism was defined by Benito Mussolini as Corporatism where a strong leader gathers power to restrict personal freedom for the benefit of large corporations. FDRs recovery banker was Jesse Jones of Houston who held the Federal purse strings to encourage large corporations to invest in jobs and work against the concentration of ownership of industry to a few eastern Wall Street interests. http://www.pbs.org/jessejones/ It seems that FDR may have used some dictatorial methods to encourage this business investment, but not fascist. How can you label FDR as socialist and fascist at the same time since the two concepts are opposing?
Also Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler may have been the most decorated American of his age with the Marine Brevet Medal (equivalent to the Congressional Medal of Honor) and TWO Congressional Medals of Honor. He served 34 years and fought in five conflicts. He wrote the short anti-war book, "War is a Racket" and thoroughly documented Wall Street using the US military for business purposes in dominating foreign governments. http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
Butler was a Quaker and a Republican and his father was a Republican Congressman from Pennsylvania. This contradicts any accusations of connections to socialist or communist ideaology. Some may say that Christianity's support of charity and self-sacrifice and the Constitution's dedication to giving power to the citizens are consistent with Butler's views and may only seem socialist on the surface. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Exenron ( talk • contribs) 15:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
amaziing —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
71.255.208.129 (
talk) 00:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
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"How can you label FDR as socialist and fascist at the same time since the two concepts are opposing?"
None would argue that Nazis weren't fascist. Nazi is the German acronym for National Socialist Workers Party. The only real difference between socialist and fascist government is in fascist, private ownership of the means of production is allowed but production is controlled by the government; socialist government both owns and controls the means of production. The two ideas are hardly opposing, as both share the altruistic goals of "from each according to his ability to each according to his need." Both forms of government are social authoritarian and both are morally and economically bankrupt as history has irrefutably shown.
John Galt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.253.165.30 ( talk) 20:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
It is amazing that a Wiki article on the "American Liberty League" essentially dismisses the notion that the AAL was plotting a coup to overthrow the US government, while the Wiki article on the "Business Plot" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot) confirms that there was a planned coup, and goes into some depth (for Wiki) in presenting the details of the planned coup, the congressional investigation that concluded there was a planned coup, the public report of the congressional investigation, the media reaction to the public report, historians' perspectives, and links to material from the congressional investigation and report.
Comparing the manner of presentation, the material presented, the sources cited, and the links provided, it is clear that the other article deserves far more (initial) credence than this. 64.122.196.98 ( talk) 20:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
About 18 months - 2 years ago, BBC "Document" programme when into this in some detail, reading out some remaining documents. It was pretty clear from the programme, that there was a coup attempt planned, but that many of the original documents have become unavailable. This article definitely seems to downplay the case or seriousness. The BBC mentioned Prescott Bush, head of the Holland Amerika line and his German fascist links Engineman ( talk) 02:40, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
This entire page is almost word for word taken from:
This is a copyright violation. Capitalismojo ( talk) 18:14, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
This is an impressive number - some detail about who they were would be fascinating if citable. +sj + 19:02, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Please do not cite to John Buchanan (American politician). There are plenty of legitimate historical reference works that we don't need to go to conspiracy theorists. Thanks. THF ( talk) 01:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Thats not nice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.225.105.200 ( talk) 21:13, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Spivak wrote that the Liberty league was a Jewish plot to take over America. Johnson in his review says Spivak: was "never fully qualified" as a journalist; "distinct aura of mythology" "Scotch verdict--not proven" "fatuous" "highly unscientific" "needs to be balanced and corrected". This is not a RS. Rjensen ( talk) 03:30, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Some segments of the current article promote the idea that the ALL was composed of more Democrats than Republicans. No evidence is offered of this. Notable participants were primarily Republican This assertion that the group planning to overthrow Roosevelt--who is known to have been a Democrat--was composed primarily of Democrats is inaccurate. Moreover, since the political party affiliation of those involved is both unsubstantiated and unnecessary to the historical record in Wikipedia, this unsubstantiated assertion seems to be an intentional effort to bias this piece. There seem to have been numerous similar assaults on Wiki with the general intent of confusing readers as to the differences in history between fascist, communist, socialist and democratic political systems.
I recommend complete excision of any reference to our current political parties unless and until substantive information is provided. RichardBogue ( talk) 01:58, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
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Because no sources are cited, the veracity of this article is suspect, particularly the $36 Billion in donations. In 2005 dollars, that would represent nearly $485 Billion, which even for these guys seems excessive. -- RickAguirre 30 June 2005 23:05 (UTC)
All the allegations re the Liberty League come from Spivak's NAzi propaganda. Rjensen 15:23, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
This page should be added to the A.L.L. catigory
This page should have a lot more on it now, especially on Prescott Bush's role.
In its opinion, the Roosevelt Administration was leading the U.S. toward fascism... and yet the ALL was allegedly a backer of the Business Plot which sought to install Fascist leadership in Washington?
Fascism was defined by Benito Mussolini as Corporatism where a strong leader gathers power to restrict personal freedom for the benefit of large corporations. FDRs recovery banker was Jesse Jones of Houston who held the Federal purse strings to encourage large corporations to invest in jobs and work against the concentration of ownership of industry to a few eastern Wall Street interests. http://www.pbs.org/jessejones/ It seems that FDR may have used some dictatorial methods to encourage this business investment, but not fascist. How can you label FDR as socialist and fascist at the same time since the two concepts are opposing?
Also Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler may have been the most decorated American of his age with the Marine Brevet Medal (equivalent to the Congressional Medal of Honor) and TWO Congressional Medals of Honor. He served 34 years and fought in five conflicts. He wrote the short anti-war book, "War is a Racket" and thoroughly documented Wall Street using the US military for business purposes in dominating foreign governments. http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
Butler was a Quaker and a Republican and his father was a Republican Congressman from Pennsylvania. This contradicts any accusations of connections to socialist or communist ideaology. Some may say that Christianity's support of charity and self-sacrifice and the Constitution's dedication to giving power to the citizens are consistent with Butler's views and may only seem socialist on the surface. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Exenron ( talk • contribs) 15:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
amaziing —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
71.255.208.129 (
talk) 00:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
—
"How can you label FDR as socialist and fascist at the same time since the two concepts are opposing?"
None would argue that Nazis weren't fascist. Nazi is the German acronym for National Socialist Workers Party. The only real difference between socialist and fascist government is in fascist, private ownership of the means of production is allowed but production is controlled by the government; socialist government both owns and controls the means of production. The two ideas are hardly opposing, as both share the altruistic goals of "from each according to his ability to each according to his need." Both forms of government are social authoritarian and both are morally and economically bankrupt as history has irrefutably shown.
John Galt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.253.165.30 ( talk) 20:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
It is amazing that a Wiki article on the "American Liberty League" essentially dismisses the notion that the AAL was plotting a coup to overthrow the US government, while the Wiki article on the "Business Plot" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot) confirms that there was a planned coup, and goes into some depth (for Wiki) in presenting the details of the planned coup, the congressional investigation that concluded there was a planned coup, the public report of the congressional investigation, the media reaction to the public report, historians' perspectives, and links to material from the congressional investigation and report.
Comparing the manner of presentation, the material presented, the sources cited, and the links provided, it is clear that the other article deserves far more (initial) credence than this. 64.122.196.98 ( talk) 20:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
About 18 months - 2 years ago, BBC "Document" programme when into this in some detail, reading out some remaining documents. It was pretty clear from the programme, that there was a coup attempt planned, but that many of the original documents have become unavailable. This article definitely seems to downplay the case or seriousness. The BBC mentioned Prescott Bush, head of the Holland Amerika line and his German fascist links Engineman ( talk) 02:40, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
This entire page is almost word for word taken from:
This is a copyright violation. Capitalismojo ( talk) 18:14, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
This is an impressive number - some detail about who they were would be fascinating if citable. +sj + 19:02, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Please do not cite to John Buchanan (American politician). There are plenty of legitimate historical reference works that we don't need to go to conspiracy theorists. Thanks. THF ( talk) 01:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Thats not nice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.225.105.200 ( talk) 21:13, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Spivak wrote that the Liberty league was a Jewish plot to take over America. Johnson in his review says Spivak: was "never fully qualified" as a journalist; "distinct aura of mythology" "Scotch verdict--not proven" "fatuous" "highly unscientific" "needs to be balanced and corrected". This is not a RS. Rjensen ( talk) 03:30, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Some segments of the current article promote the idea that the ALL was composed of more Democrats than Republicans. No evidence is offered of this. Notable participants were primarily Republican This assertion that the group planning to overthrow Roosevelt--who is known to have been a Democrat--was composed primarily of Democrats is inaccurate. Moreover, since the political party affiliation of those involved is both unsubstantiated and unnecessary to the historical record in Wikipedia, this unsubstantiated assertion seems to be an intentional effort to bias this piece. There seem to have been numerous similar assaults on Wiki with the general intent of confusing readers as to the differences in history between fascist, communist, socialist and democratic political systems.
I recommend complete excision of any reference to our current political parties unless and until substantive information is provided. RichardBogue ( talk) 01:58, 9 January 2012 (UTC)