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I'm going to start the article on Siobhan soon, so editors can feel free creating the articles for the other 11 contestants as they are now in the realm of notability. Kevin Rutherford ( talk) 00:53, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Could we separate the Top 12 from the semi-finalists? Like put the semi-finalists and list their performances like in Seasons 5-7? Putting the Top 12 with the rest is confusing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JPSinger45 ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Where are the sources for the birthdates? 24.14.30.172 ( talk) 21:17, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
It is that time of the year again for the Articles for Deletion to start popping up for the American Idol finalists. Please join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Katie Stevens and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Siobhan Magnus. Aspects ( talk) 23:51, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
The articles have been kept, nothing more is needed. Kevin Rutherford ( talk) 21:38, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
This section is not a controversy and right now a third of it consists of a list of performances already mentioned in the article. Past versions included a link to a website and those versions seemed little more than linkspam to get people to sign a petition on the site. Unless there are reliable sources, this section should not be included. Aspects ( talk) 23:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
All of Lee's pre-Idol stuff (twitter, iTunes, Facebook) lists his name as DeWyze. For some reason, AI seems to keep the W in lowercase. Anyway we can make it DeWyze in the article without it being removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.102.208.111 ( talk) 03:46, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
http://www.americanidol.com/videos/season_9/lee_dewyze/get_to_know_lee_dewyze/ Raggedyland ( talk) 02:17, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
What makes any evidence that somebody is in the "bottom 2"? Just because they're not the first one of the bottom three to be saved, doesn't mean they were in the bottom 2. There is no evidence for this. Woogee ( talk) 04:40, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
I can live with the "safe first" and "safe second", but Bottom 2 and Bottom 3 are not supported by any sources, and therefore not acceptable. Woogee ( talk) 21:08, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Someone needs to switch Didi Benami and Casey James, because Casey performed first. Not Didi. I would do it, but it won't let me edit. RonZombie91 ( talk) 02:11, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
{{editsemiprotected}} Please let this page be edited by all wikipedia users.
Qdiazissipom ( talk) 14:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Can we put on the performance lists the song that the contestant chooses to fight for the save or in Paige's case, her swan song. Qdiazissipom ( talk) 14:39, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Order | Contestant | Song | Result |
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1 | Michael Lynche | " Satisfaction" | Safe |
2 | Didi Benami | " Play with Fire" | Safe |
3 | Casey James | " It's All Over Now" | Safe |
4 | Lacey Brown | " Ruby Tuesday" | Bottom 3 |
5 | Andrew Garcia | " Gimme Shelter" | Safe |
6 | Katie Stevens | " Wild Horses" | Bottom 3 |
7 | Tim Urban | " Under My Thumb" | Safe |
8 | Siobhan Magnus | " Paint It, Black" | Safe |
9 | Lee DeWyze | " Beast of Burden" | Safe |
10 | Paige Miles | " Honky Tonk Women" | Bottom 3 |
11 | Aaron Kelly | " Angie" | Safe |
12 | Crystal Bowersox | " You Can't Always Get What You Want" | Safe |
Lowest Voted Contestant's Performance For Judges' Save | |||
NA | Lacey Brown | " The Story" ( Brandi Carlile) | Eliminated |
Something like this? I understand that it needs to be tweaked but I think it's useful and is a necessary addition. Qdiazissipom ( talk) 15:02, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Order | Contestant | Rolling Stones Song [1] | Result | ||
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1 | Michael Lynche | " Miss You" | Safe | ||
2 | Didi Benami | " Play with Fire" | Safe | ||
3 | Casey James | " It's All Over Now" | Safe | ||
4 | Lacey Brown | " Ruby Tuesday" | Bottom Three | ||
5 | Andrew Garcia | " Gimme Shelter" | Safe | ||
6 | Katie Stevens | " Wild Horses" | Bottom Three | ||
7 | Tim Urban | " Under My Thumb" | Bottom Three | ||
8 | Siobhan Magnus | " Paint It, Black" | Safe | ||
9 | Lee DeWyze | " Beast of Burden" | Safe | ||
10 | Paige Miles | " Honky Tonk Women" | Bottom Three | ||
11 | Aaron Kelly | " Angie" | Safe | ||
12 | Crystal Bowersox | " You Can't Always Get What You Want" | Safe | ||
Results | |||||
1 | Lacey Brown | " The Story" ( Brandy Carlile) | Eliminated |
References
Order | Contestant | Song (original artist) | Result | ||
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1 | Lee DeWyze | " The Letter" ( The Box Tops) | Safe | ||
2 | Paige Miles | " Against All Odds" ( Phil Collins) | Bottom Three | ||
3 | Tim Urban | " Crazy Little Thing Called Love" ( Queen) | Safe | ||
4 | Aaron Kelly | " I Don't Want to Miss a Thing" ( Aerosmith) | Safe | ||
5 | Crystal Bowersox | " Me and Bobby McGee" ( Janis Joplin) | Bottom 3 | ||
6 | Michael Lynche | " When a Man Loves a Woman" ( Percy Sledge) | Safe | ||
7 | Andrew Garcia | " I Heard It Through the Grapevine" ( Marvin Gaye) | Safe | ||
8 | Katie Stevens | " Big Girls Don't Cry" ( Fergie) | Bottom Three | ||
9 | Casey James | " The Power of Love ( Huey Lewis and the News) | Safe | ||
10 | Didi Benami | " You're No Good" ( Linda Ronstadt) | Safe | ||
11 | Siobhan Magnus | " Superstition" ( Stevie Wonder) | Safe | ||
Results | |||||
1 | Paige Miles | " Oops, I Did It Again" ( Britney Spears) | Eliminated |
References
Order | Contestant | Song (original artist) | Result | ||
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1 | Siobhan Magnus | " Through the Fire" ( Chaka Khan) | Safe | ||
2 | Casey James | " Hold On, I'm Comin'" ( Sam and Dave) | Safe | ||
3 | Michael Lynche | " Ready for Love" ( India.Arie) | Safe | ||
4 | Didi Benami | " What Becomes of the Brokenhearted" ( Jimmy Ruffin) | Bottom Three | ||
5 | Tim Urban | " Sweet Love" ( Anita Baker) | Bottom Three | ||
6 | Andrew Garcia | " Forever" ( Chris Brown) | Safe | ||
7 | Katie Stevens | " Chain of Fools" ( Aretha Franklin) | Bottom Three | ||
8 | Lee Dewyze | " Treat Her Like A Lady" ( Cornelius Brothers & Sister Rose) | Safe | ||
9 | Crystal Bowersox | " Midnight Train to Georgia ( Gladys Knight & the Pips) | Safe | ||
10 | Aaron Kelly | " Ain't No Sunshine" ( Bill Withers) | Safe | ||
Results | |||||
1 | Didi Benami | " Rhiannon" ( Fleetwood Mac) | Eliminated |
References
Order | Contestant | Song (original artist) | Result | ||
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1 | Aaron Kelly | " The Long and Winding Road" ( The Beatles) | Bottom Three | ||
2 | Katie Stevens | " Let It Be" (The Beatles) | Safe | ||
3 | Andrew Garcia | " Can't Buy Me Love" (The Beatles) | Bottom Three | ||
4 | Michael Lynche | " Eleanor Rigby" (The Beatles) | Bottom Three | ||
5 | Crystal Bowersox | " Come Together" (The Beatles) | Safe | ||
6 | Tim Urban | " All My Loving" (The Beatles) | Safe | ||
7 | Casey James | " Jealous Guy" ( John Lennon) | Safe | ||
8 | Siobhan Magnus | " Across the Universe" (The Beatles) | Safe | ||
9 | Lee DeWyze | " Hey Jude" (The Beatles) | Safe | ||
Results | |||||
1 | Michael Lynche | " This Woman's Work" ( Kate Bush) | Saved |
I was thinking something like this its really more cool, and more interesting.
Currently, throughout the entire American Idol series of articles, there is no consensus on what we should use for the elimination chart. I have put the two elimination charts currently used in my sandbox. The first one represents Season 3, and the second one represents Season 7. The third represents the current season under the first one's style.
I think we should use the first style for many reasons. The first reason is that the one for Season 3 is much easier on the eye than the one we are currently using. The cyan and pink background colors are nothing more than a distraction. I mean, we really don't need to hold people's hands to tell them that they are female or male. Also, the yellow used for Elim is extremely harsh, especially for an encyclopedia. The 'palegoldenrod' used for the header will match the gray we use for the semi-finals, providing consistency. If you take a look at both, you will see what I mean. The yellows and cyans and pinks are so clashing it almost looks childish. We should keep it more professional by using simpler and complementing colors. – Turian (talk) 04:58, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
safe | Bottom 3 | Bottom 3 | Eliminated |
The current setup is not up to WP:COLOR standards for the color blind, as you can see here. Something obviously needs to change, which is why we need to use the 'palegoldenrod'. The current yellow setup is a huge issue for the colorblind. We can keep the male/female colors, but they need to change to something more matte and less harsh. Also, see my sandbox. – Turian (talk) 13:43, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Please bring the old elimination board back! I liked it. We do not need it to be longer and harder to read!!!
Top 24 | Top 12 | Winner |
Stage: | Semi-Finals | Finals | ||||||||||||||
Week: | 2/25 | 3/4 | 3/11 | 3/17 | 3/24 | 3/31 | 4/7 | 4/14 | 4/21 | 4/28 | 5/5 | 5/12 | 5/19 | 5/26 | ||
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Place | Contestant | Result | ||||||||||||||
Siobhan Magnus | ||||||||||||||||
Katie Stevens | Btm 3 | Btm 3 | ||||||||||||||
Tim Urban | Btm 3 | Btm 3 | Btm 3 | |||||||||||||
10 | Didi Benami | Elim | ||||||||||||||
11 | Paige Miles | Btm 3 | Elim | |||||||||||||
12 | Lacey Brown | Elim |
While the red is better than the yellow, I think the palegoldenrod is more neutral. We don't want to spam colors because the style becomes more of an issue than the content. Also, the palegoldenrod matches the header, like the gray in the semi-finals. – Turian (talk) 21:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm fine with that gradient at the top if this section. – Turian (talk) 23:23, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
So... I am partially thinking we should use colors, but for now, here is a better gradient for the bottom 2/3:
Safe | Safe First | Safe Second | Eliminated | Judges' Save |
Male | Female | Top 3 |
Did Not Perform | Top 32 | Wild Card | Top 12 |
I think this could be a compromise between the two groups. It maintains the colors some people want, yet gets rid of the clashing colors some people dislike. Thoughts? – Turian (talk) 21:46, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Safe | Safe First | Safe Second | Eliminated | Judges' Save |
Safe | Safe First | Safe Second | Eliminated | Judges' Save |
Here is what I came up with:
Safe | Safe First | Safe Second | Eliminated | Judges' Save |
Keep in mind that the farther the two go away from one another, the more yellow it becomes. And like I said, you most likely can't even tell the difference between the last three versions. – Turian (talk) 23:58, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Safe | Safe first | Safe second | Eliminated |
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(outdent)My main concern with using red/blue before is that the shades would get confused with the pink/cyan, but now that those colors have been removed I think either of them should be used instead of the palegoldenrod because you can tell the differences between the shades. My first choice would be the blue because it is a color associated with the show, my second choice would be the red since that usually signifies elimination, my third choice would be yellow since you can tell differences between the shades and my last choice would be palegoldenrod. I like the blue used to represent both the elimination and the Top 12 in the bottom table on Qdiazissipom's, but I do like the red used to represent both and find the second table to the third because red across the top and side stands out too much and is too jarring. Either blue or red, I think we have a consensus that palegoldenrod should not be used, so we just need to decide which one to use. Aspects ( talk) 17:30, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
As of now, I want the palegoldenrod version, but I am working on changes in my sandbox that can perhaps make a difference once I am finished. I don't have much time, but I plan on finishing it soon. – Turian (talk) 04:20, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
(outdent)Palegoldenrod should not be the status quo because there was no consensus to change it in this article. I stopped changing back to the yellow because it was being discussed here so that a consensus could be reached and an edit war avoided. Using a consensus from season 5 to use palegoldenrod would be overrideen by the consensus in seasons 7, 8 and 9 to use yellow.
But now that there has been a consensus with good reasons and no bad reasons given to use the blue, the blue should be used. Just because we are not using the color you want does not mean there is a consensus has not been reached. You keeping saying "No consensus" but you have provided no reasons how a consensus was not reached in this discussion. Aspects ( talk) 22:17, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
What happened to the weekly ratings? There are empty spaces where the ratings for the last few weeks (shows 16 through 27) should be. Someone has fallen off the wagon here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.58.123 ( talk) 04:41, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
From the perspective of someone who isn't completely familiar with American idol, when looking at the elimination chart I would assume the person would be confused over the use of 'Saved first' and 'Saved Last'. The use of those two phrases gives the impression that we are too stupid to simplify the confusion of the chart by putting 'bottom 2'. The fact that we are using 'Saved first' and 'saved last' shows that the order of safety has some significance and the fact that we are noting it as 'saved first' and 'saved last' makes it quite trivial. In seasons 1 - 6, we have used 'btm 2' for the contestant saved last. Since season 7 we have suddenly taken a serious approach to this which makes the elimination charts in seasons 1 - 6 all significantly incorrect. I personally think that we should note the 'saved last' contestant as 'btm 2' and put a footnote at the bottom saying something along the lines of 'Contestants noted as 'Btm 2' were the ones that Ryan announced as being the last safe'. The show itself heavily implies this. We should either do that or put 'bottom 3' and 'Elim' in the 'palegoldenrod' without any of this 'saved first' 'saved last' nonsense. Qdiazissipom ( talk) 23:04, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Majority? Evidence? Owning? Serious? – Turian (talk) 03:18, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Please stop changing the elimination board. Can't you guys just use the one from past seasons? Each season, the Btm 2 and 3 changes every year. Please. This is crazy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JPSinger45 ( talk • contribs) 01:32, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
3X-X=2X(Bottom 2). Furthermore, we've used Bottom 2 for eight seasons now, and we've even added little notes saying that it is not conformed that they were in the bottom 2 but we still used it.(See seasons 4, 5, and 6). I don't think " I don't give a damn " is a good enough answer. Give a reasonable and mature reason why we can't put "Bottom 2" anymore. -- AT40Reviewer ( talk) 19:56, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
(outdent)I am going to revert the table changes due to the circular logic justified to changed. Season 6's table was changed with "change color charts per season 9" and then Season 9's table was changed with "see Woohookittys compromise on season 6 table." The colors on season 6 were only changed and not the Bottom 2's, which would have been the compromise. Then on season 9 the Bottom 3's were changed into Bottom 2's based on not fully implementing the compromise. This is definitely not what Woohookitty wanted changed in this article based on their comments here and I am going to notify them to let them address this concern. As to AT40Reviewer's last comment, we do not know it is the bottom 2. If it is not stated, then it is people assuming someone is in the bottom two, which is original research. Also then the use of "Safe First" and "Safe Second" designations would be pointless if we were to use the Bottom 2/3 in the table. Aspects ( talk) 21:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Obviously, Andrew and Katie are gone. Should Tim be labeled for the Bottom 3, since Michael was announced by Ryan himself not even to have been in the Bottom Three? Simple but powerful 01:58, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I would say no. All we were told is that Mike wasnt Bottom 3. That doesnt prove Tim that was.. He just happened to be on the stage longer than the others. I personally would guess Tim was Bottom 3, but we cant prove it. :) ( Kyleofark ( talk) 02:15, 15 April 2010 (UTC))
I would suggest maybe adding a note underneath? Last year, Anoop and Megan were called forward in the first live show, but it was agreed that because we werent sure if they were in the Bottom 4, a note would be more appropriate. Either that or nothing really, because for all we know, Tim was top of the votes. :) ( Kyleofark ( talk) 02:20, 15 April 2010 (UTC))
Um no. Tim should not be listed as bottom anything. See the previous posts on bottom 2/3. We can't assume a darn thing with this show. All we know is that Andrew and Katie were eliminated and Michael wasn't in the bottom 3. We can't assume that Ryan was implying that Tim was bottom 3. Read that sentence once. :) Its almost a guess to have Tim in the bottom 3. Zephyr, if by "phone polls", you mean DialIdol, you can't go by them. They've been less and less reliable as the seasons have worn on because fewer and fewer people use dial-up. Last week they had Michael 4th. They had Didi 5th the week before. To me there's no question. Tim should not be listed as bottom 3. I don't mean to be critical of other users by saying this but I'm not sure how anyone can trust this show enough to assume anything. And I'm with Mark above. I knew that with 2 eliminations, we were going to run into this maddening vagueness. -- User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 12:00, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I think we definitely should put big mike as Top 6 as Ryan told him he wasn't in the bottom 3 which is an indication of his voting position. Similarly to the way we note 'btm 3' or 'top 3' this is the same principle. Qdiazissipom ( talk) 16:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Given articles like this and this should we mention Seacrest's change in attitude in the "Controversy" section? Or is this just gossip rag fare and we ignore it? Padillah ( talk) 17:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Considering the amount of commentary on Seacrest's behavior on reliable sources, I would not object to someone adding something along the lines of "Seacrest was criticized by {source} for ..." Woogee ( talk) 23:49, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
"Baby what you want me to do" is by Jimmy Reed, not by Elvis, though it was performed in Elvis week.
I remember in previous seasons, double eliminations were never further clarified. Thus, in season 8, Anoop/Lil were 6-7, Jorge/Jasmine were 12-13, and Chris/Phil (season 6) were 5-6. Shouldn't Katie/Andrew be listed as 8-9? Or did I miss something where Andrew was specified as having the lowest amount of votes. Usually, they avoid doing that, I think, so that the second-to-lowest "vote-getter" doesn't feel cheated due to the dual elimination, since she'd be safe on a normal night. And I don't recall Seacrest mentioning who had less votes either.-- Cinemaniac 86 Dane_Cook_Hater_Extraordinaire 02:01, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
How do we know what order the singers will perform next week? Everard Proudfoot ( talk) 03:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Rockstar 101 wasn't released so it shouldn't be under "failed to chart". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.242.30 ( talk) 19:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
On the charts listing the songs performed the "original artist" is indicated beside the song. But it is not clear in some cases who to count as the "original" artist. For example:
Now for the purposes of the AI9 page, it is a trival matter at best who is counted as the "original artist". In fact, with songs that have their own Wikipedia page, it is probably entirely unnecessary, since clicking the link to the song page gives all the information about artists one would need. But if the AI9 page is going to list the name of the "original artist" it would be good to have a clear policy on who counts. For what it's worth, here's how I would list each of the above songs:
I won't make any changes to how the songs are credited for now, but unless someone offers a good reason to do it differently, I might eventually make changes. 142 and 99 ( talk) 20:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
(outdent) Personally I always wished the artist would fit the theme such as last season's Grand Ole Opry when a covering artist who was part of the Opry should be used instead of the original artist, but I realize that using the original artist is all cases reduces a lot of the arguments we have had on the season articles like whether to credit Dolly Parton or Whitney Houston for "I Will Always Love You." I think if we just have "artist" that we will constantly have battles as to which artist to list and we seem to be having fewer discussions about the original artist. That being said I think Traditional would be a much better option than using unknown for "House of the Rising Sun." Aspects ( talk) 20:52, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
(outdent)According to Up to the Mountain (MLK Song), Patty Griffin was the writer, the original performer and recorded a demo, so she should be listed as the original artist. Aspects ( talk) 06:26, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
The original title for "Fly Me to the Moon" is "In Other Words". Kaye Ballard first recorded "In Other Words" in 1954. If we decide to use the original artist, should we also use the original song title? Raggedyland ( talk) 01:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
I made it the "safe second" shade of blue because they were the last to be declared safe, as its the same position as being the last/second safe person in the bottom three as the remaining contestant is eliminated. Aspects changed it to the "safe first blue" under the justification that there is no "safe second" in a bottom two. I see what he means, but I just feel like it makes much more sense to use the same blue as last saved person. The closer they are to being eliminated, the darker the shade we should use. The lighter "safe first" shade should only be used for the first person sent back to the couch in a bottom three situation. What do you guys think? MarkMc1990 ( talk) 00:58, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Look, it wouldn't be too hard to push a WP:SYNTH violation on this entire "Bottom 3/Safe First" thing. If it isn't OR then it forces the reader into OR, so drop it. We have no way of validating who got what vote count so there is no way to tell who is in what position. It's all done for theatrics and ratings and, as such, it doesn't mean anything. Let it go. Padillah ( talk) 19:21, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Instead, Dewyze was the second singer who was sent to safety, which left Bowersox alongside Lynche in the scary final moments onstage.
Does that mean she was among the two lowest vote-getters? Probably not. Ryan made a big point of saying the results were “in no particular order” — except, presumably, for the order that would create the most drama.emphasis mine
If the tag reads "Safe First", then that means that the color of Mike's B2 placement on Top 5 night should be the "Safe First" blue. I completely agree with Aspects, as I made the same edit on the night of the results show, and back him 100%. But I suppose a "Safe First"/"Safe Last" description makes sense for all scenarios, with the exception of (for example) Carly & Syesha when Michael was eliminated in season 7. The only flaw is that occasional random IPs will swing by and alter it, but we can live with it, I'm sure. I approve, Mark =).
Turian, you need to quit being so abrasive. You're taking Wikipedia far too seriously. You were wrong, because regardless of the darker color, the term it is associated with on the legend makes the choice fallacious. You cannot be safe second in a bottom grouping if nobody was safe first. It's just illogical, no matter what the color implies. So, we should either use Mark's suggestion or stick with what Aspects, Padillah, and I support. And by the way, even if you don't like it, it is consensus ;).-- Cinemaniac 86 Dane_Cook_Hater_Extraordinaire 00:26, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
How does having an empty table improve the article? We're not on a deadline. We don't have to scoop anybody. And I can't imagine many people believing the show to be canceled after the Top 3 are announced. Padillah ( talk) 13:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
The songs for the contestents chosen by the judges are revealed, so I think it should be mentioned, since there are plenty of reliable sources that say so. -- AT40Reviewer ( talk) 22:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I added this info to the Crystal Bowersox wiki page, but I feel it is significant enough to place in the topmost paragraph on this wiki page, which discusses things like this being the 2nd season in which neither of the Top 2 has been in the Bottom 2/3 before.
I am unable to edit this page, but I'd really appreciate this information being added to the Season 9 wiki page. -- compuscouts ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC).
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Lets change the bottom 3's to bottom 2's again, mention Alex Lambert's and Siobhan's vote-offs in the controversy section, and we should use the artist of whatever is given. After all, who cares who actually wrote the song? -- 76.107.17.32 ( talk) 03:02, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
For the finale, the songs performed are categorized as Contestant's choice, Simon Fuller's choice & coronation song. I don't think "coronation" is correct for this season. Other seasons, the coronation songs were all about winning and being successful, but this season, they chose songs that could actually be successful singles. In the finale, Seacrest described the songs as their first single, if they win. How about instead of "coronation song" we say "first single upon winning"? AlbertusmagnusOP ( talk) 15:21, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
I just checked, and Season 8 doesn't say "coronation song" but rather "winner's single". We should change it to "winner's single" per earlier precedence. AlbertusmagnusOP ( talk) 15:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Will Young didn't sing on the finale show, he sang on the competition show on Tuesday night, but there's no category for that. How should we deal with that? Everard Proudfoot ( talk) 01:19, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
What happened to Hall and Oates, the BeeGees, and Bret Michaels? Everard Proudfoot ( talk) 01:22, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
With the next week could some people please list the contestants that sung "Together We Are One" to further complete the article. Also notable celebrities in attendance for the finale. (Beyonce and Justin Timberlake for example who didn't even perform.)--Cooly123 19:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 ( talk • contribs)
The song title " Beautiful Day" should be wikilinked to the existing page for the song "Beautiful Day" just as all other songs on the page are linked to Wikipedia pages where they exist. Wikilinking "Beautiful Day" to pages or page sections that don't exist is not constructive. Linking it to the Lee DeWyze page does not send people to a page with information about the song If people want more information about the song "Beautiful Day" they should be sent to the page for that song. 142 and 99 ( talk) 15:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
And just like that, the problem is back. The section that was specifically about the song on the Lee DeWyze page got moved, so the link has again been changed to something that does not exist. So once again, I'll change it back to direct to " Beautiful Day", since at least that page is stable and is about the song. Sigh! 142 and 99 ( talk) 03:34, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Why does the article for every other season include an image of the winner, but DeWyze's image was removed on grounds that it lacked rationale for usage here? Is it something to do with the permissions of the image itself? -- SchutteGod ( talk) 17:55, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I think something should be mentioned (in the Controversory section or otherwise) that on a fan page for Siobhan on Facebook, someone posted Aaron's number so people dialled the wrong number and this is likely to be a cause for her elimination. If you don't feel this should be mention please say why. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.83.92 ( talk) 23:28, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
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I'm going to start the article on Siobhan soon, so editors can feel free creating the articles for the other 11 contestants as they are now in the realm of notability. Kevin Rutherford ( talk) 00:53, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Could we separate the Top 12 from the semi-finalists? Like put the semi-finalists and list their performances like in Seasons 5-7? Putting the Top 12 with the rest is confusing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JPSinger45 ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Where are the sources for the birthdates? 24.14.30.172 ( talk) 21:17, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
It is that time of the year again for the Articles for Deletion to start popping up for the American Idol finalists. Please join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Katie Stevens and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Siobhan Magnus. Aspects ( talk) 23:51, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
The articles have been kept, nothing more is needed. Kevin Rutherford ( talk) 21:38, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
This section is not a controversy and right now a third of it consists of a list of performances already mentioned in the article. Past versions included a link to a website and those versions seemed little more than linkspam to get people to sign a petition on the site. Unless there are reliable sources, this section should not be included. Aspects ( talk) 23:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
All of Lee's pre-Idol stuff (twitter, iTunes, Facebook) lists his name as DeWyze. For some reason, AI seems to keep the W in lowercase. Anyway we can make it DeWyze in the article without it being removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.102.208.111 ( talk) 03:46, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
http://www.americanidol.com/videos/season_9/lee_dewyze/get_to_know_lee_dewyze/ Raggedyland ( talk) 02:17, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
What makes any evidence that somebody is in the "bottom 2"? Just because they're not the first one of the bottom three to be saved, doesn't mean they were in the bottom 2. There is no evidence for this. Woogee ( talk) 04:40, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
I can live with the "safe first" and "safe second", but Bottom 2 and Bottom 3 are not supported by any sources, and therefore not acceptable. Woogee ( talk) 21:08, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Someone needs to switch Didi Benami and Casey James, because Casey performed first. Not Didi. I would do it, but it won't let me edit. RonZombie91 ( talk) 02:11, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
{{editsemiprotected}} Please let this page be edited by all wikipedia users.
Qdiazissipom ( talk) 14:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Can we put on the performance lists the song that the contestant chooses to fight for the save or in Paige's case, her swan song. Qdiazissipom ( talk) 14:39, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Order | Contestant | Song | Result |
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1 | Michael Lynche | " Satisfaction" | Safe |
2 | Didi Benami | " Play with Fire" | Safe |
3 | Casey James | " It's All Over Now" | Safe |
4 | Lacey Brown | " Ruby Tuesday" | Bottom 3 |
5 | Andrew Garcia | " Gimme Shelter" | Safe |
6 | Katie Stevens | " Wild Horses" | Bottom 3 |
7 | Tim Urban | " Under My Thumb" | Safe |
8 | Siobhan Magnus | " Paint It, Black" | Safe |
9 | Lee DeWyze | " Beast of Burden" | Safe |
10 | Paige Miles | " Honky Tonk Women" | Bottom 3 |
11 | Aaron Kelly | " Angie" | Safe |
12 | Crystal Bowersox | " You Can't Always Get What You Want" | Safe |
Lowest Voted Contestant's Performance For Judges' Save | |||
NA | Lacey Brown | " The Story" ( Brandi Carlile) | Eliminated |
Something like this? I understand that it needs to be tweaked but I think it's useful and is a necessary addition. Qdiazissipom ( talk) 15:02, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Order | Contestant | Rolling Stones Song [1] | Result | ||
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1 | Michael Lynche | " Miss You" | Safe | ||
2 | Didi Benami | " Play with Fire" | Safe | ||
3 | Casey James | " It's All Over Now" | Safe | ||
4 | Lacey Brown | " Ruby Tuesday" | Bottom Three | ||
5 | Andrew Garcia | " Gimme Shelter" | Safe | ||
6 | Katie Stevens | " Wild Horses" | Bottom Three | ||
7 | Tim Urban | " Under My Thumb" | Bottom Three | ||
8 | Siobhan Magnus | " Paint It, Black" | Safe | ||
9 | Lee DeWyze | " Beast of Burden" | Safe | ||
10 | Paige Miles | " Honky Tonk Women" | Bottom Three | ||
11 | Aaron Kelly | " Angie" | Safe | ||
12 | Crystal Bowersox | " You Can't Always Get What You Want" | Safe | ||
Results | |||||
1 | Lacey Brown | " The Story" ( Brandy Carlile) | Eliminated |
References
Order | Contestant | Song (original artist) | Result | ||
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1 | Lee DeWyze | " The Letter" ( The Box Tops) | Safe | ||
2 | Paige Miles | " Against All Odds" ( Phil Collins) | Bottom Three | ||
3 | Tim Urban | " Crazy Little Thing Called Love" ( Queen) | Safe | ||
4 | Aaron Kelly | " I Don't Want to Miss a Thing" ( Aerosmith) | Safe | ||
5 | Crystal Bowersox | " Me and Bobby McGee" ( Janis Joplin) | Bottom 3 | ||
6 | Michael Lynche | " When a Man Loves a Woman" ( Percy Sledge) | Safe | ||
7 | Andrew Garcia | " I Heard It Through the Grapevine" ( Marvin Gaye) | Safe | ||
8 | Katie Stevens | " Big Girls Don't Cry" ( Fergie) | Bottom Three | ||
9 | Casey James | " The Power of Love ( Huey Lewis and the News) | Safe | ||
10 | Didi Benami | " You're No Good" ( Linda Ronstadt) | Safe | ||
11 | Siobhan Magnus | " Superstition" ( Stevie Wonder) | Safe | ||
Results | |||||
1 | Paige Miles | " Oops, I Did It Again" ( Britney Spears) | Eliminated |
References
Order | Contestant | Song (original artist) | Result | ||
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1 | Siobhan Magnus | " Through the Fire" ( Chaka Khan) | Safe | ||
2 | Casey James | " Hold On, I'm Comin'" ( Sam and Dave) | Safe | ||
3 | Michael Lynche | " Ready for Love" ( India.Arie) | Safe | ||
4 | Didi Benami | " What Becomes of the Brokenhearted" ( Jimmy Ruffin) | Bottom Three | ||
5 | Tim Urban | " Sweet Love" ( Anita Baker) | Bottom Three | ||
6 | Andrew Garcia | " Forever" ( Chris Brown) | Safe | ||
7 | Katie Stevens | " Chain of Fools" ( Aretha Franklin) | Bottom Three | ||
8 | Lee Dewyze | " Treat Her Like A Lady" ( Cornelius Brothers & Sister Rose) | Safe | ||
9 | Crystal Bowersox | " Midnight Train to Georgia ( Gladys Knight & the Pips) | Safe | ||
10 | Aaron Kelly | " Ain't No Sunshine" ( Bill Withers) | Safe | ||
Results | |||||
1 | Didi Benami | " Rhiannon" ( Fleetwood Mac) | Eliminated |
References
Order | Contestant | Song (original artist) | Result | ||
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1 | Aaron Kelly | " The Long and Winding Road" ( The Beatles) | Bottom Three | ||
2 | Katie Stevens | " Let It Be" (The Beatles) | Safe | ||
3 | Andrew Garcia | " Can't Buy Me Love" (The Beatles) | Bottom Three | ||
4 | Michael Lynche | " Eleanor Rigby" (The Beatles) | Bottom Three | ||
5 | Crystal Bowersox | " Come Together" (The Beatles) | Safe | ||
6 | Tim Urban | " All My Loving" (The Beatles) | Safe | ||
7 | Casey James | " Jealous Guy" ( John Lennon) | Safe | ||
8 | Siobhan Magnus | " Across the Universe" (The Beatles) | Safe | ||
9 | Lee DeWyze | " Hey Jude" (The Beatles) | Safe | ||
Results | |||||
1 | Michael Lynche | " This Woman's Work" ( Kate Bush) | Saved |
I was thinking something like this its really more cool, and more interesting.
Currently, throughout the entire American Idol series of articles, there is no consensus on what we should use for the elimination chart. I have put the two elimination charts currently used in my sandbox. The first one represents Season 3, and the second one represents Season 7. The third represents the current season under the first one's style.
I think we should use the first style for many reasons. The first reason is that the one for Season 3 is much easier on the eye than the one we are currently using. The cyan and pink background colors are nothing more than a distraction. I mean, we really don't need to hold people's hands to tell them that they are female or male. Also, the yellow used for Elim is extremely harsh, especially for an encyclopedia. The 'palegoldenrod' used for the header will match the gray we use for the semi-finals, providing consistency. If you take a look at both, you will see what I mean. The yellows and cyans and pinks are so clashing it almost looks childish. We should keep it more professional by using simpler and complementing colors. – Turian (talk) 04:58, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
safe | Bottom 3 | Bottom 3 | Eliminated |
The current setup is not up to WP:COLOR standards for the color blind, as you can see here. Something obviously needs to change, which is why we need to use the 'palegoldenrod'. The current yellow setup is a huge issue for the colorblind. We can keep the male/female colors, but they need to change to something more matte and less harsh. Also, see my sandbox. – Turian (talk) 13:43, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Please bring the old elimination board back! I liked it. We do not need it to be longer and harder to read!!!
Top 24 | Top 12 | Winner |
Stage: | Semi-Finals | Finals | ||||||||||||||
Week: | 2/25 | 3/4 | 3/11 | 3/17 | 3/24 | 3/31 | 4/7 | 4/14 | 4/21 | 4/28 | 5/5 | 5/12 | 5/19 | 5/26 | ||
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Place | Contestant | Result | ||||||||||||||
Siobhan Magnus | ||||||||||||||||
Katie Stevens | Btm 3 | Btm 3 | ||||||||||||||
Tim Urban | Btm 3 | Btm 3 | Btm 3 | |||||||||||||
10 | Didi Benami | Elim | ||||||||||||||
11 | Paige Miles | Btm 3 | Elim | |||||||||||||
12 | Lacey Brown | Elim |
While the red is better than the yellow, I think the palegoldenrod is more neutral. We don't want to spam colors because the style becomes more of an issue than the content. Also, the palegoldenrod matches the header, like the gray in the semi-finals. – Turian (talk) 21:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm fine with that gradient at the top if this section. – Turian (talk) 23:23, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
So... I am partially thinking we should use colors, but for now, here is a better gradient for the bottom 2/3:
Safe | Safe First | Safe Second | Eliminated | Judges' Save |
Male | Female | Top 3 |
Did Not Perform | Top 32 | Wild Card | Top 12 |
I think this could be a compromise between the two groups. It maintains the colors some people want, yet gets rid of the clashing colors some people dislike. Thoughts? – Turian (talk) 21:46, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Safe | Safe First | Safe Second | Eliminated | Judges' Save |
Safe | Safe First | Safe Second | Eliminated | Judges' Save |
Here is what I came up with:
Safe | Safe First | Safe Second | Eliminated | Judges' Save |
Keep in mind that the farther the two go away from one another, the more yellow it becomes. And like I said, you most likely can't even tell the difference between the last three versions. – Turian (talk) 23:58, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Safe | Safe first | Safe second | Eliminated |
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(outdent)My main concern with using red/blue before is that the shades would get confused with the pink/cyan, but now that those colors have been removed I think either of them should be used instead of the palegoldenrod because you can tell the differences between the shades. My first choice would be the blue because it is a color associated with the show, my second choice would be the red since that usually signifies elimination, my third choice would be yellow since you can tell differences between the shades and my last choice would be palegoldenrod. I like the blue used to represent both the elimination and the Top 12 in the bottom table on Qdiazissipom's, but I do like the red used to represent both and find the second table to the third because red across the top and side stands out too much and is too jarring. Either blue or red, I think we have a consensus that palegoldenrod should not be used, so we just need to decide which one to use. Aspects ( talk) 17:30, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
As of now, I want the palegoldenrod version, but I am working on changes in my sandbox that can perhaps make a difference once I am finished. I don't have much time, but I plan on finishing it soon. – Turian (talk) 04:20, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
(outdent)Palegoldenrod should not be the status quo because there was no consensus to change it in this article. I stopped changing back to the yellow because it was being discussed here so that a consensus could be reached and an edit war avoided. Using a consensus from season 5 to use palegoldenrod would be overrideen by the consensus in seasons 7, 8 and 9 to use yellow.
But now that there has been a consensus with good reasons and no bad reasons given to use the blue, the blue should be used. Just because we are not using the color you want does not mean there is a consensus has not been reached. You keeping saying "No consensus" but you have provided no reasons how a consensus was not reached in this discussion. Aspects ( talk) 22:17, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
What happened to the weekly ratings? There are empty spaces where the ratings for the last few weeks (shows 16 through 27) should be. Someone has fallen off the wagon here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.58.123 ( talk) 04:41, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
From the perspective of someone who isn't completely familiar with American idol, when looking at the elimination chart I would assume the person would be confused over the use of 'Saved first' and 'Saved Last'. The use of those two phrases gives the impression that we are too stupid to simplify the confusion of the chart by putting 'bottom 2'. The fact that we are using 'Saved first' and 'saved last' shows that the order of safety has some significance and the fact that we are noting it as 'saved first' and 'saved last' makes it quite trivial. In seasons 1 - 6, we have used 'btm 2' for the contestant saved last. Since season 7 we have suddenly taken a serious approach to this which makes the elimination charts in seasons 1 - 6 all significantly incorrect. I personally think that we should note the 'saved last' contestant as 'btm 2' and put a footnote at the bottom saying something along the lines of 'Contestants noted as 'Btm 2' were the ones that Ryan announced as being the last safe'. The show itself heavily implies this. We should either do that or put 'bottom 3' and 'Elim' in the 'palegoldenrod' without any of this 'saved first' 'saved last' nonsense. Qdiazissipom ( talk) 23:04, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Majority? Evidence? Owning? Serious? – Turian (talk) 03:18, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Please stop changing the elimination board. Can't you guys just use the one from past seasons? Each season, the Btm 2 and 3 changes every year. Please. This is crazy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JPSinger45 ( talk • contribs) 01:32, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
3X-X=2X(Bottom 2). Furthermore, we've used Bottom 2 for eight seasons now, and we've even added little notes saying that it is not conformed that they were in the bottom 2 but we still used it.(See seasons 4, 5, and 6). I don't think " I don't give a damn " is a good enough answer. Give a reasonable and mature reason why we can't put "Bottom 2" anymore. -- AT40Reviewer ( talk) 19:56, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
(outdent)I am going to revert the table changes due to the circular logic justified to changed. Season 6's table was changed with "change color charts per season 9" and then Season 9's table was changed with "see Woohookittys compromise on season 6 table." The colors on season 6 were only changed and not the Bottom 2's, which would have been the compromise. Then on season 9 the Bottom 3's were changed into Bottom 2's based on not fully implementing the compromise. This is definitely not what Woohookitty wanted changed in this article based on their comments here and I am going to notify them to let them address this concern. As to AT40Reviewer's last comment, we do not know it is the bottom 2. If it is not stated, then it is people assuming someone is in the bottom two, which is original research. Also then the use of "Safe First" and "Safe Second" designations would be pointless if we were to use the Bottom 2/3 in the table. Aspects ( talk) 21:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Obviously, Andrew and Katie are gone. Should Tim be labeled for the Bottom 3, since Michael was announced by Ryan himself not even to have been in the Bottom Three? Simple but powerful 01:58, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I would say no. All we were told is that Mike wasnt Bottom 3. That doesnt prove Tim that was.. He just happened to be on the stage longer than the others. I personally would guess Tim was Bottom 3, but we cant prove it. :) ( Kyleofark ( talk) 02:15, 15 April 2010 (UTC))
I would suggest maybe adding a note underneath? Last year, Anoop and Megan were called forward in the first live show, but it was agreed that because we werent sure if they were in the Bottom 4, a note would be more appropriate. Either that or nothing really, because for all we know, Tim was top of the votes. :) ( Kyleofark ( talk) 02:20, 15 April 2010 (UTC))
Um no. Tim should not be listed as bottom anything. See the previous posts on bottom 2/3. We can't assume a darn thing with this show. All we know is that Andrew and Katie were eliminated and Michael wasn't in the bottom 3. We can't assume that Ryan was implying that Tim was bottom 3. Read that sentence once. :) Its almost a guess to have Tim in the bottom 3. Zephyr, if by "phone polls", you mean DialIdol, you can't go by them. They've been less and less reliable as the seasons have worn on because fewer and fewer people use dial-up. Last week they had Michael 4th. They had Didi 5th the week before. To me there's no question. Tim should not be listed as bottom 3. I don't mean to be critical of other users by saying this but I'm not sure how anyone can trust this show enough to assume anything. And I'm with Mark above. I knew that with 2 eliminations, we were going to run into this maddening vagueness. -- User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 12:00, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I think we definitely should put big mike as Top 6 as Ryan told him he wasn't in the bottom 3 which is an indication of his voting position. Similarly to the way we note 'btm 3' or 'top 3' this is the same principle. Qdiazissipom ( talk) 16:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Given articles like this and this should we mention Seacrest's change in attitude in the "Controversy" section? Or is this just gossip rag fare and we ignore it? Padillah ( talk) 17:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Considering the amount of commentary on Seacrest's behavior on reliable sources, I would not object to someone adding something along the lines of "Seacrest was criticized by {source} for ..." Woogee ( talk) 23:49, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
"Baby what you want me to do" is by Jimmy Reed, not by Elvis, though it was performed in Elvis week.
I remember in previous seasons, double eliminations were never further clarified. Thus, in season 8, Anoop/Lil were 6-7, Jorge/Jasmine were 12-13, and Chris/Phil (season 6) were 5-6. Shouldn't Katie/Andrew be listed as 8-9? Or did I miss something where Andrew was specified as having the lowest amount of votes. Usually, they avoid doing that, I think, so that the second-to-lowest "vote-getter" doesn't feel cheated due to the dual elimination, since she'd be safe on a normal night. And I don't recall Seacrest mentioning who had less votes either.-- Cinemaniac 86 Dane_Cook_Hater_Extraordinaire 02:01, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
How do we know what order the singers will perform next week? Everard Proudfoot ( talk) 03:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Rockstar 101 wasn't released so it shouldn't be under "failed to chart". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.242.30 ( talk) 19:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
On the charts listing the songs performed the "original artist" is indicated beside the song. But it is not clear in some cases who to count as the "original" artist. For example:
Now for the purposes of the AI9 page, it is a trival matter at best who is counted as the "original artist". In fact, with songs that have their own Wikipedia page, it is probably entirely unnecessary, since clicking the link to the song page gives all the information about artists one would need. But if the AI9 page is going to list the name of the "original artist" it would be good to have a clear policy on who counts. For what it's worth, here's how I would list each of the above songs:
I won't make any changes to how the songs are credited for now, but unless someone offers a good reason to do it differently, I might eventually make changes. 142 and 99 ( talk) 20:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
(outdent) Personally I always wished the artist would fit the theme such as last season's Grand Ole Opry when a covering artist who was part of the Opry should be used instead of the original artist, but I realize that using the original artist is all cases reduces a lot of the arguments we have had on the season articles like whether to credit Dolly Parton or Whitney Houston for "I Will Always Love You." I think if we just have "artist" that we will constantly have battles as to which artist to list and we seem to be having fewer discussions about the original artist. That being said I think Traditional would be a much better option than using unknown for "House of the Rising Sun." Aspects ( talk) 20:52, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
(outdent)According to Up to the Mountain (MLK Song), Patty Griffin was the writer, the original performer and recorded a demo, so she should be listed as the original artist. Aspects ( talk) 06:26, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
The original title for "Fly Me to the Moon" is "In Other Words". Kaye Ballard first recorded "In Other Words" in 1954. If we decide to use the original artist, should we also use the original song title? Raggedyland ( talk) 01:50, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
I made it the "safe second" shade of blue because they were the last to be declared safe, as its the same position as being the last/second safe person in the bottom three as the remaining contestant is eliminated. Aspects changed it to the "safe first blue" under the justification that there is no "safe second" in a bottom two. I see what he means, but I just feel like it makes much more sense to use the same blue as last saved person. The closer they are to being eliminated, the darker the shade we should use. The lighter "safe first" shade should only be used for the first person sent back to the couch in a bottom three situation. What do you guys think? MarkMc1990 ( talk) 00:58, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Look, it wouldn't be too hard to push a WP:SYNTH violation on this entire "Bottom 3/Safe First" thing. If it isn't OR then it forces the reader into OR, so drop it. We have no way of validating who got what vote count so there is no way to tell who is in what position. It's all done for theatrics and ratings and, as such, it doesn't mean anything. Let it go. Padillah ( talk) 19:21, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Instead, Dewyze was the second singer who was sent to safety, which left Bowersox alongside Lynche in the scary final moments onstage.
Does that mean she was among the two lowest vote-getters? Probably not. Ryan made a big point of saying the results were “in no particular order” — except, presumably, for the order that would create the most drama.emphasis mine
If the tag reads "Safe First", then that means that the color of Mike's B2 placement on Top 5 night should be the "Safe First" blue. I completely agree with Aspects, as I made the same edit on the night of the results show, and back him 100%. But I suppose a "Safe First"/"Safe Last" description makes sense for all scenarios, with the exception of (for example) Carly & Syesha when Michael was eliminated in season 7. The only flaw is that occasional random IPs will swing by and alter it, but we can live with it, I'm sure. I approve, Mark =).
Turian, you need to quit being so abrasive. You're taking Wikipedia far too seriously. You were wrong, because regardless of the darker color, the term it is associated with on the legend makes the choice fallacious. You cannot be safe second in a bottom grouping if nobody was safe first. It's just illogical, no matter what the color implies. So, we should either use Mark's suggestion or stick with what Aspects, Padillah, and I support. And by the way, even if you don't like it, it is consensus ;).-- Cinemaniac 86 Dane_Cook_Hater_Extraordinaire 00:26, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
How does having an empty table improve the article? We're not on a deadline. We don't have to scoop anybody. And I can't imagine many people believing the show to be canceled after the Top 3 are announced. Padillah ( talk) 13:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
The songs for the contestents chosen by the judges are revealed, so I think it should be mentioned, since there are plenty of reliable sources that say so. -- AT40Reviewer ( talk) 22:59, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I added this info to the Crystal Bowersox wiki page, but I feel it is significant enough to place in the topmost paragraph on this wiki page, which discusses things like this being the 2nd season in which neither of the Top 2 has been in the Bottom 2/3 before.
I am unable to edit this page, but I'd really appreciate this information being added to the Season 9 wiki page. -- compuscouts ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:14, 24 May 2010 (UTC).
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Lets change the bottom 3's to bottom 2's again, mention Alex Lambert's and Siobhan's vote-offs in the controversy section, and we should use the artist of whatever is given. After all, who cares who actually wrote the song? -- 76.107.17.32 ( talk) 03:02, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
For the finale, the songs performed are categorized as Contestant's choice, Simon Fuller's choice & coronation song. I don't think "coronation" is correct for this season. Other seasons, the coronation songs were all about winning and being successful, but this season, they chose songs that could actually be successful singles. In the finale, Seacrest described the songs as their first single, if they win. How about instead of "coronation song" we say "first single upon winning"? AlbertusmagnusOP ( talk) 15:21, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
I just checked, and Season 8 doesn't say "coronation song" but rather "winner's single". We should change it to "winner's single" per earlier precedence. AlbertusmagnusOP ( talk) 15:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Will Young didn't sing on the finale show, he sang on the competition show on Tuesday night, but there's no category for that. How should we deal with that? Everard Proudfoot ( talk) 01:19, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
What happened to Hall and Oates, the BeeGees, and Bret Michaels? Everard Proudfoot ( talk) 01:22, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
With the next week could some people please list the contestants that sung "Together We Are One" to further complete the article. Also notable celebrities in attendance for the finale. (Beyonce and Justin Timberlake for example who didn't even perform.)--Cooly123 19:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 ( talk • contribs)
The song title " Beautiful Day" should be wikilinked to the existing page for the song "Beautiful Day" just as all other songs on the page are linked to Wikipedia pages where they exist. Wikilinking "Beautiful Day" to pages or page sections that don't exist is not constructive. Linking it to the Lee DeWyze page does not send people to a page with information about the song If people want more information about the song "Beautiful Day" they should be sent to the page for that song. 142 and 99 ( talk) 15:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
And just like that, the problem is back. The section that was specifically about the song on the Lee DeWyze page got moved, so the link has again been changed to something that does not exist. So once again, I'll change it back to direct to " Beautiful Day", since at least that page is stable and is about the song. Sigh! 142 and 99 ( talk) 03:34, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
Why does the article for every other season include an image of the winner, but DeWyze's image was removed on grounds that it lacked rationale for usage here? Is it something to do with the permissions of the image itself? -- SchutteGod ( talk) 17:55, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I think something should be mentioned (in the Controversory section or otherwise) that on a fan page for Siobhan on Facebook, someone posted Aaron's number so people dialled the wrong number and this is likely to be a cause for her elimination. If you don't feel this should be mention please say why. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.83.92 ( talk) 23:28, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
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