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This article is actually bullshit. The American Farm Bureau has blessed little to do with farmers and a lot more to do with selling insurance. It was formed originally with the express intent of running the small farmer out of business. Elodoth 17:10, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Inaccuracy #1: The American Farm Bureau has blessed little to do with farmers and a lot more to do with selling insurance.
Fact: There are more than 30 farmers who have been elected and serve on the American Farm Bureau Federation board of directors. In January 2007, several hundred farmer and rancher delegates met and agreed to focus on eight policy areas for the year, all of them directly related to farming: animal agriculture, energy and transportation, environment and land use, farm policy, immigration and farm labor, international trade, rural development, and taxes.( http://www.fb.org/index.php?fuseaction=newsroom.newsfocus&year=2007&file=nr0109.html
Fact: The American Farm Bureau does not actually sell insurance policies. There are many state Farm Bureaus insurance companies, with customers who are farmers, as well as urban and suburban residents. Insurance is one of many member service benefits state Farm Bureaus offer.( http://www.fb.org/index.php?fuseaction=about.home)
Inaccuracy #2: It was formed originally with the express intent of running the small farmer out of business.
Fact: James Howard, the first president of the American Farm Bureau Federation, outlined three remedies for the nation’s farm problems in 1920: longer term credit to carry crops through orderly marketing, tariffs to protect against competing imported farm crops and the general cooperative marketing plan outlined by Farm Bureau. ( http://www.fb.org/index.php?fuseaction=about.history) Does that sound like a plan for “running the small farmer out of business?”
Fact: It’s important to know that Farm Bureau grew out of the Extension movement. ( http://www.fb.org/index.php?fuseaction=about.history) The earliest organizations of farmers began to develop in the U.S. in the late 1800s. Those groups organized under a variety of names and philosophies, including The Grange, The Farmer's Alliance, The Agricultural Wheel, The Ancient Order of Gleaners and the Equity.
The origin of the Farm Bureau followed a different path and didn’t occur until shortly after the turn of the century. Farm Bureau grew out of the Extension education movement occurring at land grant colleges across the nation.
The land grant colleges were established under the Morrill Act of 1862. The Hatch Act of 1887 established agricultural experiment stations. Each had provisions for “farmer's institutes” and other forms of off campus education for farmers.
The Extension concept, however, did not take root until the early 1900s, when the agricultural colleges developed Extension departments and staff. The devastating boll weevil gave an unexpected boost to the concept of traveling professors and field demonstration projects.
With a financial assist from the Department of Agriculture, Dr. Seaman Knapp took to the road to “teach by doing rather than telling.” The field trials were developed to deal with the boll weevil. It had the effect for the first time of taking the classroom to the farm. Texas has the distinction of assigning the first “county agent.”
In 1911, John Barron, a farm boy who graduated from Cornell University, went to work in Broome County, New York. He was the first county agent to serve as a “farm bureau” representative. The Farm Bureau venture was financed jointly by USDA, the Binghamton Chamber of Commerce and the Lackawanna Railroad.
The new function operated as a “bureau” within the chamber of commerce, hence the name for the early organization. The Broome County Farm Bureau eventually separated from the chamber and began functioning as an independent entity in 1914.
Similar farm organized educational efforts quickly sprang up in Missouri, North Dakota, Vermont, Minnesota, Iowa, West Virginia and Illinois. The passage of the Smith Lever Act in 1914, providing added funds for education efforts, greatly boosted the effort.
The local Farm Bureaus served as the organizational network needed to further the Extension education efforts of the county agent. It was during a 1916 meeting of state county agent leaders that the designation “county farm bureau” was formally adopted.
The county Farm Bureau, or occasionally smaller units called parishes, initially served a social and educational function. But as the farmers met, they realized the broader potential of the new organization.
County Farm Bureaus throughout the nation started forming their own independent organizations similar to Broome County. The counties then quickly affiliated into statewide organizations. In March 1915, Missouri became the first to form a statewide organization. AgHistoryBuff 14:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)AgHistoryBuff
Just out of curiosity, is it standard Wikipedia policy to have the entirety of an article consist of text from the organization's official site? Hashmir 22:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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The American Farm Bureau closed its Park Ridge headquarters office a few years ago and consolidated all of its operations in Washington, D.C. Thus the D.C. office is the headquarters.
207.91.45.188 ( talk) 20:01, 4 December 2008 (UTC) Cheryl Stubbendieck, Nebraska Farm Bureau
Is it worth noting somewhere on this article about the sale of the domain name fb.com by the American Farm Bureau Federation to Facebook for 8.5 million dollars? It's an event of note, but I wasn't sure if it was appropriate to put it in this article, so I'm raising the idea here first. Anjwalker Talk 04:44, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
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Half of this page appears to be declarative statements asserting that the Bureau does only a world of good, and none of it sells a third-person perspective. ...It's practically an ad. Also, there is nothing on the page indicating the bureau's stance on climate change, which is more than a little relevant to agriculture.
I'm only even here because I'm researching the relationship between farmers and climate change, and wanted to check for evidence that the Bureau is the major farm-related body when it comes to denying it. ...I guess I found my evidence. Follow the money, indeed.
2603:9001:6B8A:8B00:21BE:9454:5E12:DD1 ( talk) 18:55, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Most of this does read like brochure. Without basic stats on money (revenue sources from members vs political donors? what do they spend their money on?), org size, effectiveness, relevance today. And there are some controversies like its stance denying climate change (fairly partisan) and being coopted by big agriculture at the expense of small and indie farmers. Phil Wolff ( talk) 21:10, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
The distinctly biased tone of this article— which, like others have commented, seems to be a propaganda piece for a conservative, corporatist lobbying organization— piqued my interest, and I decided to do a little digging to find out who exactly wrote it. Interestingly enough, someone with the username CyndieSirekis has made three edits to the main page, and two to the talk page. In three edits occurring over two days in May 2006, the user replaced the entire previous content of the page with text described by others on the talk page as, "text from the organization's official site," "propaganda," and "actually bullshit." Additionally, it appears in March of 2007, this user erased the entire talk page, which consisted of a pretty thorough refutation of nearly every claim on the page.
After one google search of the string "CyndieSirekis," I found a link to a linkedin page for "Cyndie Sirekis - Director, Internal Communications - American Farm [Bureau]." (note: it appears that this linkedin page has been deleted, and that the google search is showing artifacted information from the page.) Clearly these goons can't even be bothered to make up an obfuscated username for their propaganda.
Does anyone know how to get the main sections of this page reverted to its pre-2006 state, which was unbiased, albeit smaller? Surely this, when combined with the blatantly biased tone of the piece, is enough evidence to show that this is not factual information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.15.24.60 ( talk) 00:45, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
It appears that the article was mostly overwritten with an edit in May 2018, with content copied directly from the Farm Bureau's website. The pre-overwrite version has been restored, and a revdel has been requested for the copied material. Please help by contributing to this now restored article. Thank you
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Take care of edits of this page; I've reviewed the edit section and I've discovered a disturbing pattern of edits removing information critical of the American Farm Bureau from this page. Previously, employees of the PR arm of the AFB were directly involved in making the edits. Be skeptical about future edits that censor critical information, especially anything from this 2012 article by Ian Shearn published by The Nation; this appears to be specifically targeted. Also targeted is information about the organization's lobbying, especially lobbying linked to the profit they derive from crop insurance.
Perhaps, given this pattern of events, it would be reasonable to get this page locked by admins? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.15.24.60 ( talk) 02:41, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
The lede of this article has a link to the Bureau disambiguation page, but none of the entries there fit the AFBF. Another entry is needed there, but what should it be? I am unsure, so I leave it for someone else to do, and to fix the link in the lede.-- Dthomsen8 ( talk) 23:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
This text was added: "The New Deal made the Farm Bureau the main organization for farmers. The Farm Bureau was hostile to the Minnesota Farmer–Labor Party (FLP), which represented small operators and favored radical programs. That left the FLP without power regarding farm economics." [1] But several things about this addition need clarification. What does it mean to be "the main organization for farmers"? Existing text had already drawn a distinction between larger farmers and agricultural corporations, which the FB lobbied for, and smaller ones. As well, when did the events described in this text take place? The text talks about the New Deal, but was placed chronologically after WWII. Finally, just what is supposed to have happened? Was the FLP powerful? Did the FB replace it? How? Etc. PRRfan ( talk) 21:12, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
PRRfan ( talk) 21:12, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
The description of AFBF is not accurate as it is not an insurance company. There is a separate insurance company called Farm Bureau Insurance, but they are separate. It is also not known simply as Farm Bureau as there are 50 state Farm Bureaus. It is called AFBF or American Farm Bureau Federation. How do you add a cite to show that the description is not correct? Thanks. Birds2023 ( talk) 15:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
So, I've improved the Insurance section to better describe (and cite) the relationships between the AFBF and its many insurance-purveying affiliates. I propose to change the first line to "...is a United States-based trade association, lobbying group, and insurance network." PRRfan ( talk) 04:04, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
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@ PRRfan, happy to chat about this page, so I wanted to open a discussion thread - one that hopefully has a better discussion about AFBF and its purpose than the one above, which appears to have a number of incorrect points of view on both sides of the matter.
To your point about AFBF and its intermingling with state affiliates, I've read the 2012 Nation piece, and will review the 1978 piece you mentioned above (I am just seeing this discussion for the first time and need to give it a deeper review). However, I think your reversion was incorrect; while I disagree with some of the broad points being made by @ Birds2023above, I think the marriage of AFBF and the state bureau insurance companies is being vaguely applied. AFBF is a lobbying group, yes, but the SFBI, by its own legal forms, is owned by multiple state bureaus, and the financial operations seem to be completely independent (through both levels of SFBI and/or the state bureaus), which would suggest its prominence in the history section is unduly weighted.
SFBA is clearly not set up like AAIC is, at least explicitly - AFBF has no financial or ownership interest as a national org, nor board seats or corporate control, unless I've misread something. Again, I disagree with @ Birds2023 and how the AFBF presents itself as an agricultural warrior for the 'small guy' but "insurance network" feels inaccurate, given each state bureau and insurance company is paying a license fee to AFBF, rather than being explicitly organized as some unified structure (as with a Northwestern Mutual or Liberty Mutual, etc.). There is overlap obviously given their lobbying work - which should be noted in detail on this page, something I've been trying to improve - but I think Wikipedia is interpreting it too loosely (one thing Birds seems to be correct about - AFBF doesn't collect insurance premiums, which kind of means they aren't an insurance company, right?)
Specific to my recent reverted edit, I think I was correct in my application of notability in regards to the subject of the page (AFBF) and whether it was relevant here - and I think even the footnote citation supports it, given AFBF isn't mentioned in it at all. Thank you - I appreciate the collaborative approach to resolution! Burritomundo ( talk) 00:48, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Burritomundo: "More concise; it's established state bureaus have the insurance corps, and the large vs. small statement is not really accurate." The "large vs. small" assertion is backed up by both cites, and it's an important aspect of AFBF's influence on policy and, indeed, how agriculture has evolved in the United States. Is your concern that "large" and "small" are too simple and we should be saying something like "industrial" and "family"? PRRfan ( talk) 14:46, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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This article is actually bullshit. The American Farm Bureau has blessed little to do with farmers and a lot more to do with selling insurance. It was formed originally with the express intent of running the small farmer out of business. Elodoth 17:10, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Inaccuracy #1: The American Farm Bureau has blessed little to do with farmers and a lot more to do with selling insurance.
Fact: There are more than 30 farmers who have been elected and serve on the American Farm Bureau Federation board of directors. In January 2007, several hundred farmer and rancher delegates met and agreed to focus on eight policy areas for the year, all of them directly related to farming: animal agriculture, energy and transportation, environment and land use, farm policy, immigration and farm labor, international trade, rural development, and taxes.( http://www.fb.org/index.php?fuseaction=newsroom.newsfocus&year=2007&file=nr0109.html
Fact: The American Farm Bureau does not actually sell insurance policies. There are many state Farm Bureaus insurance companies, with customers who are farmers, as well as urban and suburban residents. Insurance is one of many member service benefits state Farm Bureaus offer.( http://www.fb.org/index.php?fuseaction=about.home)
Inaccuracy #2: It was formed originally with the express intent of running the small farmer out of business.
Fact: James Howard, the first president of the American Farm Bureau Federation, outlined three remedies for the nation’s farm problems in 1920: longer term credit to carry crops through orderly marketing, tariffs to protect against competing imported farm crops and the general cooperative marketing plan outlined by Farm Bureau. ( http://www.fb.org/index.php?fuseaction=about.history) Does that sound like a plan for “running the small farmer out of business?”
Fact: It’s important to know that Farm Bureau grew out of the Extension movement. ( http://www.fb.org/index.php?fuseaction=about.history) The earliest organizations of farmers began to develop in the U.S. in the late 1800s. Those groups organized under a variety of names and philosophies, including The Grange, The Farmer's Alliance, The Agricultural Wheel, The Ancient Order of Gleaners and the Equity.
The origin of the Farm Bureau followed a different path and didn’t occur until shortly after the turn of the century. Farm Bureau grew out of the Extension education movement occurring at land grant colleges across the nation.
The land grant colleges were established under the Morrill Act of 1862. The Hatch Act of 1887 established agricultural experiment stations. Each had provisions for “farmer's institutes” and other forms of off campus education for farmers.
The Extension concept, however, did not take root until the early 1900s, when the agricultural colleges developed Extension departments and staff. The devastating boll weevil gave an unexpected boost to the concept of traveling professors and field demonstration projects.
With a financial assist from the Department of Agriculture, Dr. Seaman Knapp took to the road to “teach by doing rather than telling.” The field trials were developed to deal with the boll weevil. It had the effect for the first time of taking the classroom to the farm. Texas has the distinction of assigning the first “county agent.”
In 1911, John Barron, a farm boy who graduated from Cornell University, went to work in Broome County, New York. He was the first county agent to serve as a “farm bureau” representative. The Farm Bureau venture was financed jointly by USDA, the Binghamton Chamber of Commerce and the Lackawanna Railroad.
The new function operated as a “bureau” within the chamber of commerce, hence the name for the early organization. The Broome County Farm Bureau eventually separated from the chamber and began functioning as an independent entity in 1914.
Similar farm organized educational efforts quickly sprang up in Missouri, North Dakota, Vermont, Minnesota, Iowa, West Virginia and Illinois. The passage of the Smith Lever Act in 1914, providing added funds for education efforts, greatly boosted the effort.
The local Farm Bureaus served as the organizational network needed to further the Extension education efforts of the county agent. It was during a 1916 meeting of state county agent leaders that the designation “county farm bureau” was formally adopted.
The county Farm Bureau, or occasionally smaller units called parishes, initially served a social and educational function. But as the farmers met, they realized the broader potential of the new organization.
County Farm Bureaus throughout the nation started forming their own independent organizations similar to Broome County. The counties then quickly affiliated into statewide organizations. In March 1915, Missouri became the first to form a statewide organization. AgHistoryBuff 14:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)AgHistoryBuff
Just out of curiosity, is it standard Wikipedia policy to have the entirety of an article consist of text from the organization's official site? Hashmir 22:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
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The American Farm Bureau closed its Park Ridge headquarters office a few years ago and consolidated all of its operations in Washington, D.C. Thus the D.C. office is the headquarters.
207.91.45.188 ( talk) 20:01, 4 December 2008 (UTC) Cheryl Stubbendieck, Nebraska Farm Bureau
Is it worth noting somewhere on this article about the sale of the domain name fb.com by the American Farm Bureau Federation to Facebook for 8.5 million dollars? It's an event of note, but I wasn't sure if it was appropriate to put it in this article, so I'm raising the idea here first. Anjwalker Talk 04:44, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
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Half of this page appears to be declarative statements asserting that the Bureau does only a world of good, and none of it sells a third-person perspective. ...It's practically an ad. Also, there is nothing on the page indicating the bureau's stance on climate change, which is more than a little relevant to agriculture.
I'm only even here because I'm researching the relationship between farmers and climate change, and wanted to check for evidence that the Bureau is the major farm-related body when it comes to denying it. ...I guess I found my evidence. Follow the money, indeed.
2603:9001:6B8A:8B00:21BE:9454:5E12:DD1 ( talk) 18:55, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Most of this does read like brochure. Without basic stats on money (revenue sources from members vs political donors? what do they spend their money on?), org size, effectiveness, relevance today. And there are some controversies like its stance denying climate change (fairly partisan) and being coopted by big agriculture at the expense of small and indie farmers. Phil Wolff ( talk) 21:10, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
The distinctly biased tone of this article— which, like others have commented, seems to be a propaganda piece for a conservative, corporatist lobbying organization— piqued my interest, and I decided to do a little digging to find out who exactly wrote it. Interestingly enough, someone with the username CyndieSirekis has made three edits to the main page, and two to the talk page. In three edits occurring over two days in May 2006, the user replaced the entire previous content of the page with text described by others on the talk page as, "text from the organization's official site," "propaganda," and "actually bullshit." Additionally, it appears in March of 2007, this user erased the entire talk page, which consisted of a pretty thorough refutation of nearly every claim on the page.
After one google search of the string "CyndieSirekis," I found a link to a linkedin page for "Cyndie Sirekis - Director, Internal Communications - American Farm [Bureau]." (note: it appears that this linkedin page has been deleted, and that the google search is showing artifacted information from the page.) Clearly these goons can't even be bothered to make up an obfuscated username for their propaganda.
Does anyone know how to get the main sections of this page reverted to its pre-2006 state, which was unbiased, albeit smaller? Surely this, when combined with the blatantly biased tone of the piece, is enough evidence to show that this is not factual information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.15.24.60 ( talk) 00:45, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
It appears that the article was mostly overwritten with an edit in May 2018, with content copied directly from the Farm Bureau's website. The pre-overwrite version has been restored, and a revdel has been requested for the copied material. Please help by contributing to this now restored article. Thank you
Orville1974
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01:53, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Take care of edits of this page; I've reviewed the edit section and I've discovered a disturbing pattern of edits removing information critical of the American Farm Bureau from this page. Previously, employees of the PR arm of the AFB were directly involved in making the edits. Be skeptical about future edits that censor critical information, especially anything from this 2012 article by Ian Shearn published by The Nation; this appears to be specifically targeted. Also targeted is information about the organization's lobbying, especially lobbying linked to the profit they derive from crop insurance.
Perhaps, given this pattern of events, it would be reasonable to get this page locked by admins? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.15.24.60 ( talk) 02:41, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
The lede of this article has a link to the Bureau disambiguation page, but none of the entries there fit the AFBF. Another entry is needed there, but what should it be? I am unsure, so I leave it for someone else to do, and to fix the link in the lede.-- Dthomsen8 ( talk) 23:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
This text was added: "The New Deal made the Farm Bureau the main organization for farmers. The Farm Bureau was hostile to the Minnesota Farmer–Labor Party (FLP), which represented small operators and favored radical programs. That left the FLP without power regarding farm economics." [1] But several things about this addition need clarification. What does it mean to be "the main organization for farmers"? Existing text had already drawn a distinction between larger farmers and agricultural corporations, which the FB lobbied for, and smaller ones. As well, when did the events described in this text take place? The text talks about the New Deal, but was placed chronologically after WWII. Finally, just what is supposed to have happened? Was the FLP powerful? Did the FB replace it? How? Etc. PRRfan ( talk) 21:12, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
PRRfan ( talk) 21:12, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
The description of AFBF is not accurate as it is not an insurance company. There is a separate insurance company called Farm Bureau Insurance, but they are separate. It is also not known simply as Farm Bureau as there are 50 state Farm Bureaus. It is called AFBF or American Farm Bureau Federation. How do you add a cite to show that the description is not correct? Thanks. Birds2023 ( talk) 15:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
So, I've improved the Insurance section to better describe (and cite) the relationships between the AFBF and its many insurance-purveying affiliates. I propose to change the first line to "...is a United States-based trade association, lobbying group, and insurance network." PRRfan ( talk) 04:04, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
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@ PRRfan, happy to chat about this page, so I wanted to open a discussion thread - one that hopefully has a better discussion about AFBF and its purpose than the one above, which appears to have a number of incorrect points of view on both sides of the matter.
To your point about AFBF and its intermingling with state affiliates, I've read the 2012 Nation piece, and will review the 1978 piece you mentioned above (I am just seeing this discussion for the first time and need to give it a deeper review). However, I think your reversion was incorrect; while I disagree with some of the broad points being made by @ Birds2023above, I think the marriage of AFBF and the state bureau insurance companies is being vaguely applied. AFBF is a lobbying group, yes, but the SFBI, by its own legal forms, is owned by multiple state bureaus, and the financial operations seem to be completely independent (through both levels of SFBI and/or the state bureaus), which would suggest its prominence in the history section is unduly weighted.
SFBA is clearly not set up like AAIC is, at least explicitly - AFBF has no financial or ownership interest as a national org, nor board seats or corporate control, unless I've misread something. Again, I disagree with @ Birds2023 and how the AFBF presents itself as an agricultural warrior for the 'small guy' but "insurance network" feels inaccurate, given each state bureau and insurance company is paying a license fee to AFBF, rather than being explicitly organized as some unified structure (as with a Northwestern Mutual or Liberty Mutual, etc.). There is overlap obviously given their lobbying work - which should be noted in detail on this page, something I've been trying to improve - but I think Wikipedia is interpreting it too loosely (one thing Birds seems to be correct about - AFBF doesn't collect insurance premiums, which kind of means they aren't an insurance company, right?)
Specific to my recent reverted edit, I think I was correct in my application of notability in regards to the subject of the page (AFBF) and whether it was relevant here - and I think even the footnote citation supports it, given AFBF isn't mentioned in it at all. Thank you - I appreciate the collaborative approach to resolution! Burritomundo ( talk) 00:48, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Burritomundo: "More concise; it's established state bureaus have the insurance corps, and the large vs. small statement is not really accurate." The "large vs. small" assertion is backed up by both cites, and it's an important aspect of AFBF's influence on policy and, indeed, how agriculture has evolved in the United States. Is your concern that "large" and "small" are too simple and we should be saying something like "industrial" and "family"? PRRfan ( talk) 14:46, 16 November 2023 (UTC)