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I doubt the use of derogatory in the description. I have many Indian friends who use the term ABCD without any derogatory intention. The terms is very similar to ABC for American Born Chinese. I also know may Chinese friends who call themselves ABC. Kowloonese 23:43, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
While it is used to be derogative on occasion, most of the time I hear it used in a friendly manner; I could abide by 'derogatory', but agree with the edit. shuri 30 June 2005 20:45 (UTC)
Some text that was previously added to the article that was incorrect and possibly libelous. It had already been removed a few months ago, but I've now those revisions from the history on the request of the person who was mentioned in the article. The only changes deleted that remain in the current article were by 68.167.43.140 ( talk · contribs) and are shown in this diff (with the exception of the addition of the category). No other significant edits were affected by the removal of these revisions. Angela . 11:16, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
This article has more do with social issues for not just Indian Americans.-- Dangerous-Boy 01:14, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Why would a so-called 'abcd' have a house in Jersey ? I must be missing something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.77.91.41 ( talk) 05:13, 22 December 2006 (UTC).
It is a play on the fact that New Jersey is home to a significant Indian American population Akubhai 17:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
The article has too many problems. Too many POV- and unsourced statements. What is the history of the term? All those goofy statements about why American born people of Indian heritage might be confused need to go. (From my perspective, although I haven't looked for sources for this, it is more likely that the Indian-born American immigrants feel the "confusion" and then project it on the American-born "cousins.") Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Here are my reasons:
These are just my reasons. -- vi5in [talk] 17:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I have just undone the merge and restored the original article. Ghis is because ABCD is not used to describe a social group, it is a term used in a derogatory and judgemental way and to a. Describe the social and cultural norm of a group of people, ie 2nd generation (or later) Indians and to descrie a way of life. b. That this way of life is different from a depicted parent (Sub-continental) culture and a different destination culture (western society). c. That the individual may ascertain his Cultural heritage when in a western society, but ascertain his amalgamtion when in presence of those from the prent culture or society. d. They may and do feel judged, and attenuate their behaviour accordingy, and this shapes a new cultulre. See [1] and [2] for reference.
"Most modern day "American Born" Indians have very strong ties to India."
I think this is a massive generalization that does not hold true for many of my friends. The ABCDs I know are North Americans who happen to be brown and get pissed when guys ask if they wear saris.
Also, Canada exists. Sevenlies 14:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
There is a 1999 movie called ABCD (at imdb.com). Plot summary: "The only goal of an ageing Asian-American widow is to see her son and rebellious daughter (described as an American Born Confused Deshi or ABCD) married off to respectable Indian families." IMDB calls it a drama but it also had some funny moments. For a VERY low budget ($200,000) film, it was very good. I suppose it would help to explain ABCD in an entertaining way so I think it might be useful to include it in the main article somewhere. Also, a movie named "ABCD" gives a sort of cultural validation to the term. (The film was NOT a blockbuster, so the opposite argument could also be used: ABCD was a title devoid of cultural meaning that no one could relate to which is why the movie bombed at the box office.) 130.132.24.95 ( talk) 05:28, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
The term American-Born Confused Desi first appeared in the movie American Desi (2001).
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I doubt the use of derogatory in the description. I have many Indian friends who use the term ABCD without any derogatory intention. The terms is very similar to ABC for American Born Chinese. I also know may Chinese friends who call themselves ABC. Kowloonese 23:43, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
While it is used to be derogative on occasion, most of the time I hear it used in a friendly manner; I could abide by 'derogatory', but agree with the edit. shuri 30 June 2005 20:45 (UTC)
Some text that was previously added to the article that was incorrect and possibly libelous. It had already been removed a few months ago, but I've now those revisions from the history on the request of the person who was mentioned in the article. The only changes deleted that remain in the current article were by 68.167.43.140 ( talk · contribs) and are shown in this diff (with the exception of the addition of the category). No other significant edits were affected by the removal of these revisions. Angela . 11:16, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
This article has more do with social issues for not just Indian Americans.-- Dangerous-Boy 01:14, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Why would a so-called 'abcd' have a house in Jersey ? I must be missing something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.77.91.41 ( talk) 05:13, 22 December 2006 (UTC).
It is a play on the fact that New Jersey is home to a significant Indian American population Akubhai 17:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
The article has too many problems. Too many POV- and unsourced statements. What is the history of the term? All those goofy statements about why American born people of Indian heritage might be confused need to go. (From my perspective, although I haven't looked for sources for this, it is more likely that the Indian-born American immigrants feel the "confusion" and then project it on the American-born "cousins.") Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Here are my reasons:
These are just my reasons. -- vi5in [talk] 17:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I have just undone the merge and restored the original article. Ghis is because ABCD is not used to describe a social group, it is a term used in a derogatory and judgemental way and to a. Describe the social and cultural norm of a group of people, ie 2nd generation (or later) Indians and to descrie a way of life. b. That this way of life is different from a depicted parent (Sub-continental) culture and a different destination culture (western society). c. That the individual may ascertain his Cultural heritage when in a western society, but ascertain his amalgamtion when in presence of those from the prent culture or society. d. They may and do feel judged, and attenuate their behaviour accordingy, and this shapes a new cultulre. See [1] and [2] for reference.
"Most modern day "American Born" Indians have very strong ties to India."
I think this is a massive generalization that does not hold true for many of my friends. The ABCDs I know are North Americans who happen to be brown and get pissed when guys ask if they wear saris.
Also, Canada exists. Sevenlies 14:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
There is a 1999 movie called ABCD (at imdb.com). Plot summary: "The only goal of an ageing Asian-American widow is to see her son and rebellious daughter (described as an American Born Confused Deshi or ABCD) married off to respectable Indian families." IMDB calls it a drama but it also had some funny moments. For a VERY low budget ($200,000) film, it was very good. I suppose it would help to explain ABCD in an entertaining way so I think it might be useful to include it in the main article somewhere. Also, a movie named "ABCD" gives a sort of cultural validation to the term. (The film was NOT a blockbuster, so the opposite argument could also be used: ABCD was a title devoid of cultural meaning that no one could relate to which is why the movie bombed at the box office.) 130.132.24.95 ( talk) 05:28, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
The term American-Born Confused Desi first appeared in the movie American Desi (2001).