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An infobox was requested for the 1972 Ray Charles recording of "America the Beautiful" at Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/List of notable songs/1.
Poetical text that is not being analyzed doesn't belong in the encyclopedia tjus is not corectld be different. Wetman 01:05, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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>There was a movement during the John F. Kennedy administration to legally make "America the Beautiful" legal status >as a national anthem
How could this be when God is mentioned so many times in the lyrics? It would never pass legal muster. Is this entry verified?
I can accept "hymn" since it mentions "God" several times, but I see nothing specifically Christian in it. Can anyone offer evidence that Bates thought of it as Christian?
Tualha 00:17, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The supposed link to a .ogg file just links to this same page. The 'info' link leads to nowhere. I don't know the actual links - someone should fix this, needless to say.
I believe it must be possible to find an mp3 or wmv or whatever other sound file (apart from midi) somewhere on the web. America the Beautiful is such a wonderful song, there must be something on the web! ;) -- Maxl 00:29, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, there is a great performance by the United States Continental Army band in mp3 located here: [2] (linked from this page: [3]. Since this a performance by an official part of the United States Government performing its official duties, under 17 USC §105 this recording should be in the public domain. -- Pusher robot 04:44, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, the TRADOC link became broken. Let's keep our eyes open for another U.S.-government-created recording. Pusher robot 21:41, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Why is it that some people have a difficult time accepting that this song's melody is based on a Bach harp concerto?? I have added this valuable piece of information twice and it keeps getting deleted for "lack of documentation." Listen to the bloody composition and you'll have your proof. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.152.199.196 ( talk • contribs) .
Today I added this section, and while the name of Rush Limbaugh may be controversial to some, the intent of this addition is illustrate a popular usage of a recognizable portion of this hymn. While I'm certain that there are those who may be put off by the presence of his name, the daily use of the words "across the fruited plain" is a factual thing. With that, I invite others to contribute other usages of phrases, such as a recognizable place where one might hear or see words like "God shed His grace on thee" or some other segment, to this section. I opted to create this as a new section because it is neither idiomatic, nor satirical, the foci of the sections immediately prior to and subsequent to this section where I placed it. Fwgoebel 23:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
a little trivia, it was then-First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt that 'sponsored' Ms Anderson's performance at the Lincoln Memorial in 1939. 76.218.248.127 ( talk) 02:47, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Given the events of 9/11, should the last verse be changed to: Thine alabaster cities gleam, now dimmed by human tears?
NO! Stop the PC B.S. The events of 911 have nothing to do with a poem that was written 114 years ago! Nothing should be changed! PERIOD! NitaReads Oct. 8, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.49.210.225 ( talk) 02:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I think this article is incomplete without some mention of Carmen Dragon's contribution. His arrangement of the song is considered to be the quintessential arrangement of the song, and is used in most popular performances, including those of the Marine Band. I will try to find some references and add it to the article. -- rogerd ( talk) 03:57, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I have seen other arrangements of the verses and refrains. I like the refrains of the 3rd and 4th verses swapped, because they better speak to the subject just mentioned. If one wanted a unique refrain to the 3rd verse, one could use:
To address one of the greatest strengths of America, I would like to add the verse:
-- Joseph Daniel Rudmin 15:35, 18 January 2008 (EST)
…I am currious of the writings from Sea to Shinging Sea, has it any reference to the part of the tearing thing and the dimming thing. I just thought since the thinking of miss Bates is a formality here, perhaps her relaxing ventured escaped, perhaps to another country to visit or lets say another land, perhaps old England or France or whatever her Shining Sea is to reveal, would it still be there. Darn, it did, it somehow escaped society; in her version to a still forgotten place. Yes in many eyes of the past this could of very well have been lead to be a forgotten place.The end, society or a family in one, although thanks to Miss Bates she might of kept in touch. Well at least we have visitors, and since I reside in Barnstable county I just may go look up her belongings. Just out of respect I mean what else would a DeLancey do.
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America the Beautiful is a wonderful hymn, but God of Our Fathers is the National Hymn of the United States of America. Daniel C. Roberts wrote the words in 1876 for the centennial of Independence Day. George W. Warren composed the music, which was adopted in 1888 for the centennial celebration of the U.S. Constitution. EverydaySinger ( talk) 19:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
User:Olsonist ( talk) 20:25 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason for writing "O' beautiful" rather than "O beautiful"? "O" without an apostrophe is standard for apostrophes (sorry, couldn't resist), that is, in a poetic address to someone or something. I've never seen it written the way it is here. — JerryFriedman (Talk) 01:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
The eight verses given in the article are confusing. They are not meant to be sung in a sequence like it appears here, and other than on the linked webpage, I've never seen them simply concatenated as such.
Basically, what we have here are the four verses of the FINAL version (1913, I think) after it had been combined with the hymn tune and was meant to be sung, followed by the four verses of the ORIGINAL poem (1895, I think) before it was meant to be sung. Bates herself did the revision (originally to make it more singable), so it may make sense to give both versions here. But the article doesn't clarify what's going on. Most people who have only sung the usual version will never have encountered the latter four verses, and they'll wonder (1) where they come from and (2) why they seem to be sort of paraphrased versions of the ones they know. 65.96.161.79 ( talk) 16:32, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Wiki article in America the Beautiful that some prefer Star Spangled Banner because it does not invoke God. What about the 4th Stanza, 6th line?
O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand Between their loved home and the war’s desolation. Blest with vict’ry and peace, may the Heav’n rescued land Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation! Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, And this be our motto: “In God is our trust;” And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave![12]
I'm sorry, but the words of the 14th Amendment DO NOT fit the 8686D meter of the hymn tune Aeterna. If you look at that link and the PDF file of the "mnemonic device," not only are the words of the amendment abridged, but notes from the tune are subdivided and tied all over the place. The 14th Amendment IS NOT a metric text. Mbenoit ( talk) 23:27, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Then phrase "sea to shining sea" is described as being included in several patriotic songs. Can this phrase be properly described as a reference to Manifest destiny, or is it simply geographical imagery of the expanse of the USA? — Loadmaster ( talk) 17:50, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Links from lyrics are original research, and therefore against WP policies, unless the text somehow deals with reliable third-party research that (more or less) proves what the lyrics mean. -- Puisque ( talk) 00:05, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Ray Charles (Robinson) adapted, arranged and recorded his version of 'America, the Beautiful' @ RPM International Studios in Los Angeles to celebrate the Bicentennial of the United States of America's Declaration of Independence from Great Britain (1776 - 1976). The recording was released on Crossover Records (CR 985) in April of 1976, not ABC-Paramount. Whoever is in charge of this Wiki article may want to make the necessary changes. Thank You 184.76.56.97 ( talk) 07:29, 25 March 2015 (UTC)JSJR 03252015
Hello. I added a reference to Paul Hipp's rendition (on Abel Ferrara's Welcome to New York then as bonus track on his album The Remote Distance) but a user deleted it inexplicably. Thanks for helping me. Jonathan.renoult ( talk) 13:51, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
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No mention to the fact this music is an exact rip of of the Prussian "Heil dir im Siegerkranz"??? 2601:806:4301:C100:CDF5:88A:3245:1B01 ( talk) 01:20, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Someone changed the "mountain majesties" to "mountains' majesty." I have been looking for sources to tell which one is correct, but I am not sure whether any are reliable, and the sources I found by a Google search say different things. Which one is correct? If they are variants, which one should we have here? Diamond Blizzard ( talk) 18:55, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
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An infobox was requested for the 1972 Ray Charles recording of "America the Beautiful" at Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/List of notable songs/1.
Poetical text that is not being analyzed doesn't belong in the encyclopedia tjus is not corectld be different. Wetman 01:05, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
An automated Wikipedia link suggester has some possible wiki link suggestions for the America_the_Beautiful article:
I went over these.-- Pharos 07:45, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Notes: The article text has not been changed in any way; Some of these suggestions may be wrong, some may be right.
Feedback:
I like it,
I hate it,
Please don't link to —
LinkBot 11:29, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
>There was a movement during the John F. Kennedy administration to legally make "America the Beautiful" legal status >as a national anthem
How could this be when God is mentioned so many times in the lyrics? It would never pass legal muster. Is this entry verified?
I can accept "hymn" since it mentions "God" several times, but I see nothing specifically Christian in it. Can anyone offer evidence that Bates thought of it as Christian?
Tualha 00:17, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The supposed link to a .ogg file just links to this same page. The 'info' link leads to nowhere. I don't know the actual links - someone should fix this, needless to say.
I believe it must be possible to find an mp3 or wmv or whatever other sound file (apart from midi) somewhere on the web. America the Beautiful is such a wonderful song, there must be something on the web! ;) -- Maxl 00:29, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, there is a great performance by the United States Continental Army band in mp3 located here: [2] (linked from this page: [3]. Since this a performance by an official part of the United States Government performing its official duties, under 17 USC §105 this recording should be in the public domain. -- Pusher robot 04:44, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, the TRADOC link became broken. Let's keep our eyes open for another U.S.-government-created recording. Pusher robot 21:41, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Why is it that some people have a difficult time accepting that this song's melody is based on a Bach harp concerto?? I have added this valuable piece of information twice and it keeps getting deleted for "lack of documentation." Listen to the bloody composition and you'll have your proof. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.152.199.196 ( talk • contribs) .
Today I added this section, and while the name of Rush Limbaugh may be controversial to some, the intent of this addition is illustrate a popular usage of a recognizable portion of this hymn. While I'm certain that there are those who may be put off by the presence of his name, the daily use of the words "across the fruited plain" is a factual thing. With that, I invite others to contribute other usages of phrases, such as a recognizable place where one might hear or see words like "God shed His grace on thee" or some other segment, to this section. I opted to create this as a new section because it is neither idiomatic, nor satirical, the foci of the sections immediately prior to and subsequent to this section where I placed it. Fwgoebel 23:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
a little trivia, it was then-First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt that 'sponsored' Ms Anderson's performance at the Lincoln Memorial in 1939. 76.218.248.127 ( talk) 02:47, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Given the events of 9/11, should the last verse be changed to: Thine alabaster cities gleam, now dimmed by human tears?
NO! Stop the PC B.S. The events of 911 have nothing to do with a poem that was written 114 years ago! Nothing should be changed! PERIOD! NitaReads Oct. 8, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.49.210.225 ( talk) 02:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I think this article is incomplete without some mention of Carmen Dragon's contribution. His arrangement of the song is considered to be the quintessential arrangement of the song, and is used in most popular performances, including those of the Marine Band. I will try to find some references and add it to the article. -- rogerd ( talk) 03:57, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I have seen other arrangements of the verses and refrains. I like the refrains of the 3rd and 4th verses swapped, because they better speak to the subject just mentioned. If one wanted a unique refrain to the 3rd verse, one could use:
To address one of the greatest strengths of America, I would like to add the verse:
-- Joseph Daniel Rudmin 15:35, 18 January 2008 (EST)
…I am currious of the writings from Sea to Shinging Sea, has it any reference to the part of the tearing thing and the dimming thing. I just thought since the thinking of miss Bates is a formality here, perhaps her relaxing ventured escaped, perhaps to another country to visit or lets say another land, perhaps old England or France or whatever her Shining Sea is to reveal, would it still be there. Darn, it did, it somehow escaped society; in her version to a still forgotten place. Yes in many eyes of the past this could of very well have been lead to be a forgotten place.The end, society or a family in one, although thanks to Miss Bates she might of kept in touch. Well at least we have visitors, and since I reside in Barnstable county I just may go look up her belongings. Just out of respect I mean what else would a DeLancey do.
David George DeLancey (
talk) 04:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)revised
David George DeLancey (
talk) 16:35, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
America the Beautiful is a wonderful hymn, but God of Our Fathers is the National Hymn of the United States of America. Daniel C. Roberts wrote the words in 1876 for the centennial of Independence Day. George W. Warren composed the music, which was adopted in 1888 for the centennial celebration of the U.S. Constitution. EverydaySinger ( talk) 19:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
User:Olsonist ( talk) 20:25 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Is there a reason for writing "O' beautiful" rather than "O beautiful"? "O" without an apostrophe is standard for apostrophes (sorry, couldn't resist), that is, in a poetic address to someone or something. I've never seen it written the way it is here. — JerryFriedman (Talk) 01:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
The eight verses given in the article are confusing. They are not meant to be sung in a sequence like it appears here, and other than on the linked webpage, I've never seen them simply concatenated as such.
Basically, what we have here are the four verses of the FINAL version (1913, I think) after it had been combined with the hymn tune and was meant to be sung, followed by the four verses of the ORIGINAL poem (1895, I think) before it was meant to be sung. Bates herself did the revision (originally to make it more singable), so it may make sense to give both versions here. But the article doesn't clarify what's going on. Most people who have only sung the usual version will never have encountered the latter four verses, and they'll wonder (1) where they come from and (2) why they seem to be sort of paraphrased versions of the ones they know. 65.96.161.79 ( talk) 16:32, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Wiki article in America the Beautiful that some prefer Star Spangled Banner because it does not invoke God. What about the 4th Stanza, 6th line?
O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand Between their loved home and the war’s desolation. Blest with vict’ry and peace, may the Heav’n rescued land Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation! Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, And this be our motto: “In God is our trust;” And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave![12]
I'm sorry, but the words of the 14th Amendment DO NOT fit the 8686D meter of the hymn tune Aeterna. If you look at that link and the PDF file of the "mnemonic device," not only are the words of the amendment abridged, but notes from the tune are subdivided and tied all over the place. The 14th Amendment IS NOT a metric text. Mbenoit ( talk) 23:27, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Then phrase "sea to shining sea" is described as being included in several patriotic songs. Can this phrase be properly described as a reference to Manifest destiny, or is it simply geographical imagery of the expanse of the USA? — Loadmaster ( talk) 17:50, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Links from lyrics are original research, and therefore against WP policies, unless the text somehow deals with reliable third-party research that (more or less) proves what the lyrics mean. -- Puisque ( talk) 00:05, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Ray Charles (Robinson) adapted, arranged and recorded his version of 'America, the Beautiful' @ RPM International Studios in Los Angeles to celebrate the Bicentennial of the United States of America's Declaration of Independence from Great Britain (1776 - 1976). The recording was released on Crossover Records (CR 985) in April of 1976, not ABC-Paramount. Whoever is in charge of this Wiki article may want to make the necessary changes. Thank You 184.76.56.97 ( talk) 07:29, 25 March 2015 (UTC)JSJR 03252015
Hello. I added a reference to Paul Hipp's rendition (on Abel Ferrara's Welcome to New York then as bonus track on his album The Remote Distance) but a user deleted it inexplicably. Thanks for helping me. Jonathan.renoult ( talk) 13:51, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
America the Beautiful. Please take a moment to review
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No mention to the fact this music is an exact rip of of the Prussian "Heil dir im Siegerkranz"??? 2601:806:4301:C100:CDF5:88A:3245:1B01 ( talk) 01:20, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Someone changed the "mountain majesties" to "mountains' majesty." I have been looking for sources to tell which one is correct, but I am not sure whether any are reliable, and the sources I found by a Google search say different things. Which one is correct? If they are variants, which one should we have here? Diamond Blizzard ( talk) 18:55, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
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