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Personally, I was surprised not to see any mention of Burnside's firearms design. He designed the breechloading Burnside carbine. Produced in Massachusetts, the design, although based on the earlier Hall breechloader, was quite innovative and was issued to (and fairly popular with) many union cavalry units. His credit as a firearms designer was probably instrumental in his selection as the first presdient of the National Rifle Association.
Is it me, or did Ambrose Burnside, in his spectacularly brief career in the spotlight on the US Civil War, have a fixation on bridges? There's Antietam's lower bridge, as we all know well by his name attached to it, which he had to purchase in human flesh because he didn't realize that his trooops could ford the river. Then at Fredericksburg, he declined a frontal assault on the Confederate positions until pontoon bridges could be recieved from Henry Halleck, the overall Union Army supply commander. In both instances, his fixation on bridges resulted in higher casualties inflicted upon his men, and in the case of Fredericksburg, a ghastly and horrific bloodbath that could have been avoided. (I don't award the near-bungle at Antietam to him, because the gravest threat to the Union Army, George McClellan, was in overall command at that point.) Could anyone offer support/insight on this for me?
Burnside was a very competent officer in smaller actions which he could oversee personally. His actions early in the war showed initiative and skill and he'd have made a good Brigadier General to be entrusted with carrying out orders. Unfortunately he was promoted beyond his level of skill (and comfort). To his credit he was aware of this.
I am glad to say that this article which was nominated for good article status has succeeded. This is how the article, as of July 4, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:
If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status. — Walton talk 13:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I have made a few minor alterations to the grammar in places, and the lead would benefit from further expansion, as currently it does really not do the article justice (see WP:LEAD for more info on this).
However, I believe the article still meets the GA criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, EyeSerene TALK 13:12, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Since I live in Rhode Island as he did, I say we give a hand to Burnside, one of the best Union generals in the Civil War. 72.221.69.79 ( talk) 02:34, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Are we sure his last name isn't Sideburn? It sure seems like it. ~ RayLast « Talk!» 18:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
There isn't a source to back up the statement that sideburns comes from his name. How do we know it's true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.67.95 ( talk) 23:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
'Sideburn' doesn't come from 'Burnside' it's an urban legend —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.2.130 ( talk) 20:56, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Historian Dryasdust is a pompous noise. If used at all, it should be Dryasdust, the historian; the other form is a TimeStyle illiteracy. It is being used here for "someone who writes books on history", and is therefore redundant when used of anyone whose books are in the bibliography. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
In fact, both authors here do have articles. Does historian have any meaning here which author would not? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
They had to have a name... Are you sure "sideburns" come from "Burnside"? Latrosicarius ( talk) 18:39, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
This NYT article [1] might be of interest here. SaltyBoatr get wet 22:35, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I feel that this line, "Burnside did not perform adequate reconnaissance of the area, and instead of taking advantage of several easy fording sites out of range of the enemy, his troops were forced into repeated assaults across the narrow bridge which was dominated by Confederate sharpshooters on high ground." Should be taken out of the article, because he couldn't cross the Fjords as mentioned in the Antietam article, "Burnside concentrated his plan instead on storming the bridge while simultaneously crossing a ford McClellan's engineers had identified a half mile (1 km) downstream, but when Burnside's men reached it, they found the banks too high to negotiate."--Red Wiki 14:54, 10 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Valkyrie Red ( talk • contribs)
I believe that Burnside Bridge and Burnside street in Portland are not named for General Burnside. According to Wikipedia Burnside street/bridge in Portland, OR..... "In 1891, Burnside Street was changed from "B" street to take the name of Dan Burnside, a local businessman who was a proponent of the 1866 dredging of the Willamette River. The original Burnside Bridge was a swing span bridge that opened in 1894". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.120.72.52 ( talk) 02:07, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
According to Thomas J. DiLorenzo in his book The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War, Burnside was in command of Federal Troops which deported U.S. Representative Clement L. Vallandigham.
I think this might be of interest to other users of wikipedia. I'm not very comfortable editing pages and would like to include it in the article.
12.30.196.14 ( talk) 23:31, 9 February 2012 (UTC) FURB
Hi. I was wondering whether Burnside being the first president of the National Rifle Association of America (NRA) is significant enough to merit inclusion in the introductory paragraphs? Seems like a big deal to me, especially given that the NRA has grown so strong that in one Fortune Magazine survey, American lawmakers and congressional staffers "considered the NRA the most influential lobbying group in the USA." Thanks. 123.225.149.193 ( talk) 04:01, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
An anonymous user has expanded the section on East Tennessee. I have to say that I am impressed with the quality of writing, which is well beyond what anonymous users normally submit. However, the citation on the paragraph is now inaccurate, merely taking the McPherson footnote and applying it to the entire collection of new material. Please provide adequate citations for all of these additions within 10 days, or I will need to revert the change. Thanks. Hal Jespersen ( talk) 16:09, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
I removed the un-sourced fact about a distillery in Portland naming a bourbon after Ambrose Burnside. The bourbon is actually named after Burnside, the major street/bridge in the city, which happens to be named after David Burnside, a Portland merchant in 1892. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OGDumptruck ( talk • contribs) 07:45, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Ambrose Burnside2.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on May 23, 2015. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2015-05-23. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 23:31, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Burnside's imposition of illegal military rule under General Order No. 38 warrants a section on controversy, does it not? 119.224.13.116 ( talk) 19:59, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Personally, I was surprised not to see any mention of Burnside's firearms design. He designed the breechloading Burnside carbine. Produced in Massachusetts, the design, although based on the earlier Hall breechloader, was quite innovative and was issued to (and fairly popular with) many union cavalry units. His credit as a firearms designer was probably instrumental in his selection as the first presdient of the National Rifle Association.
Is it me, or did Ambrose Burnside, in his spectacularly brief career in the spotlight on the US Civil War, have a fixation on bridges? There's Antietam's lower bridge, as we all know well by his name attached to it, which he had to purchase in human flesh because he didn't realize that his trooops could ford the river. Then at Fredericksburg, he declined a frontal assault on the Confederate positions until pontoon bridges could be recieved from Henry Halleck, the overall Union Army supply commander. In both instances, his fixation on bridges resulted in higher casualties inflicted upon his men, and in the case of Fredericksburg, a ghastly and horrific bloodbath that could have been avoided. (I don't award the near-bungle at Antietam to him, because the gravest threat to the Union Army, George McClellan, was in overall command at that point.) Could anyone offer support/insight on this for me?
Burnside was a very competent officer in smaller actions which he could oversee personally. His actions early in the war showed initiative and skill and he'd have made a good Brigadier General to be entrusted with carrying out orders. Unfortunately he was promoted beyond his level of skill (and comfort). To his credit he was aware of this.
I am glad to say that this article which was nominated for good article status has succeeded. This is how the article, as of July 4, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:
If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status. — Walton talk 13:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I have made a few minor alterations to the grammar in places, and the lead would benefit from further expansion, as currently it does really not do the article justice (see WP:LEAD for more info on this).
However, I believe the article still meets the GA criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, EyeSerene TALK 13:12, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Since I live in Rhode Island as he did, I say we give a hand to Burnside, one of the best Union generals in the Civil War. 72.221.69.79 ( talk) 02:34, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Are we sure his last name isn't Sideburn? It sure seems like it. ~ RayLast « Talk!» 18:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
There isn't a source to back up the statement that sideburns comes from his name. How do we know it's true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.67.95 ( talk) 23:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
'Sideburn' doesn't come from 'Burnside' it's an urban legend —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.2.130 ( talk) 20:56, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Historian Dryasdust is a pompous noise. If used at all, it should be Dryasdust, the historian; the other form is a TimeStyle illiteracy. It is being used here for "someone who writes books on history", and is therefore redundant when used of anyone whose books are in the bibliography. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
In fact, both authors here do have articles. Does historian have any meaning here which author would not? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
They had to have a name... Are you sure "sideburns" come from "Burnside"? Latrosicarius ( talk) 18:39, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
This NYT article [1] might be of interest here. SaltyBoatr get wet 22:35, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I feel that this line, "Burnside did not perform adequate reconnaissance of the area, and instead of taking advantage of several easy fording sites out of range of the enemy, his troops were forced into repeated assaults across the narrow bridge which was dominated by Confederate sharpshooters on high ground." Should be taken out of the article, because he couldn't cross the Fjords as mentioned in the Antietam article, "Burnside concentrated his plan instead on storming the bridge while simultaneously crossing a ford McClellan's engineers had identified a half mile (1 km) downstream, but when Burnside's men reached it, they found the banks too high to negotiate."--Red Wiki 14:54, 10 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Valkyrie Red ( talk • contribs)
I believe that Burnside Bridge and Burnside street in Portland are not named for General Burnside. According to Wikipedia Burnside street/bridge in Portland, OR..... "In 1891, Burnside Street was changed from "B" street to take the name of Dan Burnside, a local businessman who was a proponent of the 1866 dredging of the Willamette River. The original Burnside Bridge was a swing span bridge that opened in 1894". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.120.72.52 ( talk) 02:07, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
According to Thomas J. DiLorenzo in his book The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War, Burnside was in command of Federal Troops which deported U.S. Representative Clement L. Vallandigham.
I think this might be of interest to other users of wikipedia. I'm not very comfortable editing pages and would like to include it in the article.
12.30.196.14 ( talk) 23:31, 9 February 2012 (UTC) FURB
Hi. I was wondering whether Burnside being the first president of the National Rifle Association of America (NRA) is significant enough to merit inclusion in the introductory paragraphs? Seems like a big deal to me, especially given that the NRA has grown so strong that in one Fortune Magazine survey, American lawmakers and congressional staffers "considered the NRA the most influential lobbying group in the USA." Thanks. 123.225.149.193 ( talk) 04:01, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
An anonymous user has expanded the section on East Tennessee. I have to say that I am impressed with the quality of writing, which is well beyond what anonymous users normally submit. However, the citation on the paragraph is now inaccurate, merely taking the McPherson footnote and applying it to the entire collection of new material. Please provide adequate citations for all of these additions within 10 days, or I will need to revert the change. Thanks. Hal Jespersen ( talk) 16:09, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
I removed the un-sourced fact about a distillery in Portland naming a bourbon after Ambrose Burnside. The bourbon is actually named after Burnside, the major street/bridge in the city, which happens to be named after David Burnside, a Portland merchant in 1892. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OGDumptruck ( talk • contribs) 07:45, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Ambrose Burnside2.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on May 23, 2015. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2015-05-23. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 23:31, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Burnside's imposition of illegal military rule under General Order No. 38 warrants a section on controversy, does it not? 119.224.13.116 ( talk) 19:59, 30 July 2015 (UTC)