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At this time, this article has no third party reliable sources explaining the notability of this person. It is written in a glowing advertising style, referenced only by self-published web sites. Are there any neutral external third party sources that could be used as sources for an article? Weregerbil 09:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
This article reads like an advertisement and does not seem to be a balanced account. —Preceding
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I've proposed moving some content about this tradition's view of Self-realization from that article onto this page. Discussion is on the self-realization article's talk page. - Owlmonkey ( talk) 19:22, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, the Self-realization article was converted to a disambiguation page and the following content was removed. I'd just ask that the editors here who know this material well can make sure that none of the following is lost by incorporating it into this article as appropriate. Thank you. - Owlmonkey ( talk) 21:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
For Self realization, a living enlightened medium in the form of an Avatar (Gnani Purush) is required. According to Gnan Vidhi teachings, such enlightened beings are seldom born. However, when such beings are around, they are able to procure liberation for anyone who seeks it.
In Gnan Vidhi, Self-realization begins by asking the questions Who am I? What is the real truth? What is this whole world about? What or who is God?
In Gnan Vidhi, self realization is realizing the God is within each of us, and God is realized through enlightenment. It is said that when one achieves self-realization, it is like turning on a light switch, with the light instantly displacing the darkness. Similarly, it takes no time for the self enlightened being to dispel ignorance with the light of Knowledge.
Greetings to all editors who have been working to improve this page. I have made some changes today related to the name order of Dada Bhagwan and Ambalal Muljibhai Patel. Because this page's focus is on Dada Bhagwan, i.e. the spiritual leader, I believe this is more appropriate. Kindly see these other wikipedia pages organized in the same way: /info/en/?search=Paramahansa_Yogananda, /info/en/?search=Swami_Vivekananda If you agree with this premise, are any of you able to change the page name back to its original format of "Dada Bhagwan"? Thanks for your input! P.S. I have also reinstated information pertaining to Dada Bhagwan museums and historical sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vorajinesh ( talk • contribs) 13:04, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
I have removed the line "Dada Bhagwan is recognized as a spiritual leader within Gujarat, India.". The given reference "Dada Bhagwan Road". do not support this claim. Also, the person should be addressed by his name "A.M. Patel" and not with the honorific "Dada Bhagwan" in my opinion. I request other editors to please comment here before making these changes again. -- Rahul ( talk) 13:36, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Actually want to understand the reason why we can not have the honorific name as "Dada Bhagwan", because as per this page /info/en/?search=Pramukh_Swami the honorific name given here is "pramukh swami maharaj" though his name is "shantilal patel".Also Dada Bhagwan is famous name and people recognize him as Dada Bhagwan not as A.M.Patel. so then why we cannot have "Dada Bhagwan" ? Can you please give the better clarification for this ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Easyspirituality ( talk • contribs) 13:02, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
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I am responding to a third opinion request for this page. I have made no previous edits on Ambalal Muljibhai Patel and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes. |
To some extent, I think you're making more of an issue of this than you need. There is a redirect page Dada Bhagwan, so readers can find the article by searching on either name. Hence, what you're really debating is your own preferences. But if you do wish to pursue it, the discussion needs to aim to establish what accurate, unambiguous name is used in the majority of reliable English-language sources for this person. It would be good if some others who know the sources could give their views. But this page has less than 30 watchers. If you don't get more opinions, you could consider using the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard or raising and advertising an RFC. Regards, Stfg ( talk) 12:40, 25 April 2014 (UTC) |
This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 26 May 2014. The result of the move review was 'Closure endorsed'. |
The result of the proposal was no consensus. If there's more move warring, I'll move protect upon request. -- BDD ( talk) 18:08, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Dada Bhagwan → Ambalal Muljibhai Patel – Ambalal Muljibhai Patel is more commonly used name. In reliable sources, such as Flügel, Peter (2005) ' Present Lord: Simandhara Svami and the Akram Vijnan Movement.' In: King, Anna S. and Brockington, John, (eds.), The Intimate Other: Love Divine in the Indic Religions. New Delhi: Orient Longman, pp. 194–243., this name is used to refer to the subject. However, Dada Bhagwan (which literally means "Lord Grandfather") is a title that his disciples gave him. This is not commonly used in reliable sources. Hence, in my opinion, the article title should be changed. --Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:56, 8 May 2014 (UTC) -- Rahul ( talk) 04:13, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Dada Bhagwan - I have already added one reliable source in the reference list - ' Spiritual Science Museum' - A creation of pyramid spiritual societies movement (India), which reveals the popularity of Dada Bhagwan name. Moreover this link - http://en.cyclopaedia.net/wiki/Dada-Bhagwan will give you better idea about more popularity of Dada Bhagwan name. vorajinesh ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 07:56, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
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At this time, this article has no third party reliable sources explaining the notability of this person. It is written in a glowing advertising style, referenced only by self-published web sites. Are there any neutral external third party sources that could be used as sources for an article? Weregerbil 09:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
This article reads like an advertisement and does not seem to be a balanced account. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
129.67.177.170 (
talk) 20:56, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
I've proposed moving some content about this tradition's view of Self-realization from that article onto this page. Discussion is on the self-realization article's talk page. - Owlmonkey ( talk) 19:22, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, the Self-realization article was converted to a disambiguation page and the following content was removed. I'd just ask that the editors here who know this material well can make sure that none of the following is lost by incorporating it into this article as appropriate. Thank you. - Owlmonkey ( talk) 21:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
For Self realization, a living enlightened medium in the form of an Avatar (Gnani Purush) is required. According to Gnan Vidhi teachings, such enlightened beings are seldom born. However, when such beings are around, they are able to procure liberation for anyone who seeks it.
In Gnan Vidhi, Self-realization begins by asking the questions Who am I? What is the real truth? What is this whole world about? What or who is God?
In Gnan Vidhi, self realization is realizing the God is within each of us, and God is realized through enlightenment. It is said that when one achieves self-realization, it is like turning on a light switch, with the light instantly displacing the darkness. Similarly, it takes no time for the self enlightened being to dispel ignorance with the light of Knowledge.
Greetings to all editors who have been working to improve this page. I have made some changes today related to the name order of Dada Bhagwan and Ambalal Muljibhai Patel. Because this page's focus is on Dada Bhagwan, i.e. the spiritual leader, I believe this is more appropriate. Kindly see these other wikipedia pages organized in the same way: /info/en/?search=Paramahansa_Yogananda, /info/en/?search=Swami_Vivekananda If you agree with this premise, are any of you able to change the page name back to its original format of "Dada Bhagwan"? Thanks for your input! P.S. I have also reinstated information pertaining to Dada Bhagwan museums and historical sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vorajinesh ( talk • contribs) 13:04, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
I have removed the line "Dada Bhagwan is recognized as a spiritual leader within Gujarat, India.". The given reference "Dada Bhagwan Road". do not support this claim. Also, the person should be addressed by his name "A.M. Patel" and not with the honorific "Dada Bhagwan" in my opinion. I request other editors to please comment here before making these changes again. -- Rahul ( talk) 13:36, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
Actually want to understand the reason why we can not have the honorific name as "Dada Bhagwan", because as per this page /info/en/?search=Pramukh_Swami the honorific name given here is "pramukh swami maharaj" though his name is "shantilal patel".Also Dada Bhagwan is famous name and people recognize him as Dada Bhagwan not as A.M.Patel. so then why we cannot have "Dada Bhagwan" ? Can you please give the better clarification for this ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Easyspirituality ( talk • contribs) 13:02, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Response to third opinion request: |
I am responding to a third opinion request for this page. I have made no previous edits on Ambalal Muljibhai Patel and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes. |
To some extent, I think you're making more of an issue of this than you need. There is a redirect page Dada Bhagwan, so readers can find the article by searching on either name. Hence, what you're really debating is your own preferences. But if you do wish to pursue it, the discussion needs to aim to establish what accurate, unambiguous name is used in the majority of reliable English-language sources for this person. It would be good if some others who know the sources could give their views. But this page has less than 30 watchers. If you don't get more opinions, you could consider using the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard or raising and advertising an RFC. Regards, Stfg ( talk) 12:40, 25 April 2014 (UTC) |
This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 26 May 2014. The result of the move review was 'Closure endorsed'. |
The result of the proposal was no consensus. If there's more move warring, I'll move protect upon request. -- BDD ( talk) 18:08, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Dada Bhagwan → Ambalal Muljibhai Patel – Ambalal Muljibhai Patel is more commonly used name. In reliable sources, such as Flügel, Peter (2005) ' Present Lord: Simandhara Svami and the Akram Vijnan Movement.' In: King, Anna S. and Brockington, John, (eds.), The Intimate Other: Love Divine in the Indic Religions. New Delhi: Orient Longman, pp. 194–243., this name is used to refer to the subject. However, Dada Bhagwan (which literally means "Lord Grandfather") is a title that his disciples gave him. This is not commonly used in reliable sources. Hence, in my opinion, the article title should be changed. --Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:56, 8 May 2014 (UTC) -- Rahul ( talk) 04:13, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Dada Bhagwan - I have already added one reliable source in the reference list - ' Spiritual Science Museum' - A creation of pyramid spiritual societies movement (India), which reveals the popularity of Dada Bhagwan name. Moreover this link - http://en.cyclopaedia.net/wiki/Dada-Bhagwan will give you better idea about more popularity of Dada Bhagwan name. vorajinesh ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 07:56, 30 April 2014 (UTC)