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1. Confusion over what a news agency is- Inedible hulk is insisting that the term 'news agency' can only refer to a wire service that sells news to other outlets whereas the Wikipedia page for 'news agency' if you look at the 'commercial services' section
says:News agencies can be corporations that sell news AND it says: Governments may also control news agencies
it then goes on to list 'major news agencies', many or most of which are not newswires that sell news but have other functions
2. it is not merely an online outlet because it has reporters on the ground operating in iraq and syria as for the source, this fact is already contained in the article where it mentions amaq was the first to provide footage of IS capture of Palmyra taken by its own reporters
1. it is controlled by IS, which functions as a government 2. it does not 'share the odd video', it has consistenly provided video footage from everywhere in iraq and syria 3. I have already explained to you, and it is a fact, that the video released by Amaq is taken by their own reporters and not merely released by them. This is attested to and sourced already in the article. 5. Because of this, describing it as an 'online outlet' is entirely incorrect since it operates in the real world. its editorial board is probably based in raqqa, syria 6. the phrasing 'which operates in territory controlled by the islamic state' is very precise and accurate and is perfectly fine for the article 7. regarding the 'news agency', the self description of amaq is as a news agency, this is the name people use about it, and it fulfills what the general public would understand as a news agency. 8. if you absolutely cannot stand using the word 'news agency' despite that, fine, but at least fix the entirely wrong bit about it being an 'online outlet' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smith1122 ( talk • contribs) 08:13, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
1. the source is already in the article indicating that it is an IS operation 2. 'online outlet' is entirely an incorrect description because it is more than an online outlet. it creates its own content in addition to putting that content online. 3.I didn't say 'it probably operates in Raqqah', I said it does operate all over Iraq and Syria, which is a fact. Read what I actually said, which was 'its editorial board is probably based in raqqa, syria' ie. the people who control its output are probably in raqqah 4. You shouldn't speak from ignorance and you continue to ignore what I am actually saying. SITE has nothing to do with it. The original content is posted on Amaq channels on Telegram messenger and can be seen by anyone who looks on the channel. Plenty of analysts and journalists follow the Amaq channels on Telegram and get the reports independently of SITE as do IS supporters. you are talking nonsense here Smith1122 ( talk) 18:13, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
It's not "officially" part of IS. That's the whole point of the dispute over the exact extent of its editorial independence. But the article already says it is 'associated with IS' which are your own words. Again, you are just ignoring the fact that is has reporters in Iraq and Syria. It isn't only an online outlet regardless of how it distributes its stuff. Nobody 'claims' anything:Anyone can go on Telegram messenger and look at the Amaq channel. This is a fact. Smith1122 ( talk) 10:06, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
i appreciate your willingness to compromise. the exact wording isn't too important, i just think there has to be something in the primary description that establishes that it is more than an online outfit and also has reporters on the ground in iraq and syria. how about, 'a news outlet with reporters operating in territory controlled by the Islamic State'? Smith1122 ( talk) 07:13, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
it released a video from manbij syria of civilians killed by US strikes just yesterday. it is constantly putting out videos. i guess the bit about how it has actual reporters can go in the body of the article if you dont want it in the lead Smith1122 ( talk) 18:13, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
I guess I'm missing something, but I don't see how one would actually access this news agency. I've seen them quoted in other news articles, so I decided to try looking at the source. There doesn't seem to be a URL to them here, and I don't see a thorough description of how one can access them. Is this due to a Wikipedia rule? Esn ( talk) 09:37, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
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1. Confusion over what a news agency is- Inedible hulk is insisting that the term 'news agency' can only refer to a wire service that sells news to other outlets whereas the Wikipedia page for 'news agency' if you look at the 'commercial services' section
says:News agencies can be corporations that sell news AND it says: Governments may also control news agencies
it then goes on to list 'major news agencies', many or most of which are not newswires that sell news but have other functions
2. it is not merely an online outlet because it has reporters on the ground operating in iraq and syria as for the source, this fact is already contained in the article where it mentions amaq was the first to provide footage of IS capture of Palmyra taken by its own reporters
1. it is controlled by IS, which functions as a government 2. it does not 'share the odd video', it has consistenly provided video footage from everywhere in iraq and syria 3. I have already explained to you, and it is a fact, that the video released by Amaq is taken by their own reporters and not merely released by them. This is attested to and sourced already in the article. 5. Because of this, describing it as an 'online outlet' is entirely incorrect since it operates in the real world. its editorial board is probably based in raqqa, syria 6. the phrasing 'which operates in territory controlled by the islamic state' is very precise and accurate and is perfectly fine for the article 7. regarding the 'news agency', the self description of amaq is as a news agency, this is the name people use about it, and it fulfills what the general public would understand as a news agency. 8. if you absolutely cannot stand using the word 'news agency' despite that, fine, but at least fix the entirely wrong bit about it being an 'online outlet' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smith1122 ( talk • contribs) 08:13, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
1. the source is already in the article indicating that it is an IS operation 2. 'online outlet' is entirely an incorrect description because it is more than an online outlet. it creates its own content in addition to putting that content online. 3.I didn't say 'it probably operates in Raqqah', I said it does operate all over Iraq and Syria, which is a fact. Read what I actually said, which was 'its editorial board is probably based in raqqa, syria' ie. the people who control its output are probably in raqqah 4. You shouldn't speak from ignorance and you continue to ignore what I am actually saying. SITE has nothing to do with it. The original content is posted on Amaq channels on Telegram messenger and can be seen by anyone who looks on the channel. Plenty of analysts and journalists follow the Amaq channels on Telegram and get the reports independently of SITE as do IS supporters. you are talking nonsense here Smith1122 ( talk) 18:13, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
It's not "officially" part of IS. That's the whole point of the dispute over the exact extent of its editorial independence. But the article already says it is 'associated with IS' which are your own words. Again, you are just ignoring the fact that is has reporters in Iraq and Syria. It isn't only an online outlet regardless of how it distributes its stuff. Nobody 'claims' anything:Anyone can go on Telegram messenger and look at the Amaq channel. This is a fact. Smith1122 ( talk) 10:06, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
i appreciate your willingness to compromise. the exact wording isn't too important, i just think there has to be something in the primary description that establishes that it is more than an online outfit and also has reporters on the ground in iraq and syria. how about, 'a news outlet with reporters operating in territory controlled by the Islamic State'? Smith1122 ( talk) 07:13, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
it released a video from manbij syria of civilians killed by US strikes just yesterday. it is constantly putting out videos. i guess the bit about how it has actual reporters can go in the body of the article if you dont want it in the lead Smith1122 ( talk) 18:13, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
I guess I'm missing something, but I don't see how one would actually access this news agency. I've seen them quoted in other news articles, so I decided to try looking at the source. There doesn't seem to be a URL to them here, and I don't see a thorough description of how one can access them. Is this due to a Wikipedia rule? Esn ( talk) 09:37, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 10:52, 26 May 2020 (UTC)