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This page should not be speedily deleted because there does not appear to be a suitable reason for deletion. Overturn. This page should not be speedily deleted because Amal Alamuddin meets the standards for being included, based on her resume and body of accomplishments, and many public reports about her, which need not be repeated here, without regard for her engagement to George Clooney. The article could be expanded, however, because the more one researches her the more notable she appears. Bracton ( talk) 15:28, 29 April 2014 (UTC) This page should not be speedily deleted because... this is outright censorship and it should have no place at wikipedia; as a donor to your site I am offended by this. I have no doubt that there are very objectionable descriptions in this site and there is no censorship of those, why should there be one of this article. This clearly makes me pause as to my financial commitment to wikipedia. -- 75.93.91.234 ( talk) 17:22, 3 May 2014 (UTC) This page should not be speedily deleted because i find all of the material taken from valid references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.204.190.73 ( talk) 19:01, 3 May 2014 (UTC) This page should not be speedily deleted because... How on earth am I supposed to read the facts about George Clooney's extremely intelligent fiancé when you delete her page ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.72.186.44 ( talk) 22:31, 3 May 2014 (UTC) This page should not be speedily deleted because there are 1000s of pages on persons bio - actor, celeb, politicians then why not for Amal? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.38.225 ( talk) 01:38, 4 May 2014 (UTC) This page should not be speedily deleted because... I do not know your criteria for speedy deletion; but assuming accuracy in the article, she seems more accomplished than George Clooney, who she is said to be marrying and whose fame may have gotten her here. Why delete the more accomplished partner in a public relationship. I'm sure you still have his page displayed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.214.195.4 ( talk) 05:04, 4 May 2014 (UTC) This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --Michael B. Miller, PhD 21:51, 4 May 2014 (UTC) You guys think every episode of The Simpsons should have it's own wiki page, but an international UN lawyer should have her page deleted? Is that because she is female? Is it because she is Middle Eastern? Is it because she is engaged to George Clooney? Please explain. Thanks. By the way, I am only here right now because I had heard that Clooney was engaged to a very interesting and well-educated (Oxford?) woman and I wanted to read about her. The potential of that couple to have an important impact in international politics is huge. I can't believe you let someone delete her entry!! Mike Miller Michael B. Miller, Ph.D. This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) -- 66.192.70.42 ( talk) 17:23, 5 May 2014 (UTC) This person is newsworthy in her own right. Even prior to the news explosion of the last few days, there was a lot written about her in conventional news sources and she is famous in a field that is of great public interest. This page should be deleted. While Ms Alamuddin has generated some news, she is not notable for an entry in an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not just a respository of facts culed from a newspaper. I specifically address this page and this problem in this article: http://newslines.org/blog/wikipedia-is-not-a-newspaper/ -- Sparkzilla talk! 01:21, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
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Was curious as to why many of the citations on this entry are archived from the original -- even though the links are active / good, non-dead links? Is this a new citation style that is being used? Thanks in advance for any info on this. Best, Erika BrillLyle ( talk) 23:52, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
There are many sources describing her as Shiite or Muslim.
Somebody please revert editor who removed my category. 80.43.208.11 ( talk) 09:23, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
It depends on whom you ask. Probably a decent analogy would be to that of whether the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) are Christians. Today increasingly many Christians (including some evangelicals) have moved in that direction. What remains indisputable is that the Druze had their origin among a distinct Shi’i gnostic movement, and the doctrines and practices of the Druze would be incomprehensible apart from this wider Islamic tradition. It may be even useful to compare the Druze with the Baha’i movement, another much more recent offshoot of Shi’ism.
Note in particular that the article is not even addressing the question of whether Alamuddin is Muslim at this point: the text is a general response to the question "Are the Druze Muslims?" The WP article should not state her religion, because the source does not state it. I also have a minor concern that the article states that she is Arab, but when I read the cited source it does not actually say that. It tells us who her parents are and their background, and that she has been in the UK since she was 2. It never uses the word "Arab" to describe Alamuddin. It does call her "Lebanese", which I find odd, given that it also seems to say that she has not lived in Lebanon since she was 2. Are other editors satisfied that the connecting of dots to refer to her ethnicity as Arab is OK? hamiltonstone ( talk) 13:17, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
My note is on the Ethnicity that was referred to be Arab. My preference is Arab is not a ethnic group. Arabs could be a cultural reference based on the language, but it is not a ethnic group since Arabs have different ethnicity among them. Gulf countries are totally different to North Africans, yet they all are considered Arabs. ~ Ayman Zaki
Amal was born in Lebanon and lived there until 2. Why is she listed as a British Lebanese and not as a Lebanese Briton ? 108.51.113.3 ( talk) 17:12, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
I agree - she is listed as British-Lebanese?? She was born in Lebanon and at age 2 moved to UK. She is Lebanese-Briton. This should be corrected and also in the media this should be corrected. That is all, good day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmdesigns7 ( talk • contribs) 02:29, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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"Alamuddin has three younger siblings - one sister, Tala, and two half-brothers, Samer and Ziad,[1] from her father's first marriage." How does that even make sense? Hannahbonanza ( talk) 20:43, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
This section is incredibly detailed with exact information on what and when Alamuddin and her husband obtained marriage licenses, their wedding and so on. This might have made sense in a book or something of similar length, but we are writing a biographic entry in an encyclopedia, and half the challenge is what to leave out and how to shorten the text so we don't let the readers drown in irrelevant detail. Compare for example this to the incredibly long and ambitious article about Barack Obama, which simply states that he and his wife "became engaged in 1991, and were married on October 3, 1992". That's the level of information we're usually looking for in an entry. / Julle ( talk) 09:19, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
I basically agree with Manning and Julle's approach and edits. I thought there was too much detail about the wedding. The current compromise that includes the notable celebrant i think is good, except the phrase "star-studded wedding ceremony" seems to me unencyclopedic. Replace it with something like "a ceremony attended by prominent actors and public figures including x, y and z" the x,y and z list should NOT be comprehensive but only the two or three or four most famous people there. I do accept the argument that the Obama example is of only partial relevance because they were not notable at the time they married, but if you read articles about people who were, for example, already active in politics and notable when they married, there is still little detail. hamiltonstone ( talk) 23:55, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Manning, if Amal were noteworthy before her marriage why didn't she have a page? There are not pages for george's other exes. 65.205.13.26 ( talk) 00:58, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
I excised two sections to get the personal life back under control.
Now while a marriage celebrant is generally not significant, here it was conducted by a highly notable person (a former mayor of Rome). That makes it IMO, a noteworthy detail, and thus should stay. Manning ( talk) 13:12, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
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Rudydudey ( talk) 17:26, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Someone add this. M0lkno ( talk) 18:49, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
What do you guys think? She changed her name legally. Even the bio on her law firm's website changed her name from "Amal Alamuddin" to "Amal Clooney" - clearly, she changed her name professionally as well.-- Guat6 ( talk) 00:42, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I've restored "Clooney" after it was mass reverted in a series of edits that deleted content and broke references. There are some minor edits made since that should probably be folded back in. -- Ronz ( talk) 20:23, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Mr Veltroni is an Atheist.
I believe to be fair to Amal's parents, (whose religious affiliation is noted in this article), George Clooney's BEST friend's religious leanings MUST be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.27.110.136 ( talk) 14:33, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
amal was born in lebanon and lived there until age 2. she then moved to london.
please change british-lebanese to lebanese-briton.
65.205.13.26 ( talk) 01:05, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Latin script says "Amal Ramzi Clooney", but the Arabic script in parentheses immediately following says "Amal Alamuddin"). AnonMoos ( talk) 17:26, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
BrillLyle ( talk · contribs) I don't understand what you mean by "Keeping external links clean". And why in the world would a YouTube video be used as a source? It's clearly something that belongs in the external link section. Étienne Dolet ( talk) 07:57, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
I agree with the removal of the link. Interviews make for poor external links in general. Video interviews worse unless there's something conveyed in the richer media format relevant to the subject's notability. If we are lacking her perspective in the article, it should be addressed in the article content rather than External links section. -- Ronz ( talk) 20:41, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
@ Mdg1981: doesn't seem to like the latest available image of Amal Clooney and keeps changing it to:
I've reverted these changes twice and don't want to hit the WP:3RR. Does anyone else have input on which image to use for the article? Thanks. // sikander { talk } 13:32, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
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Article doesn't say. -- Viennese Waltz 13:34, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi. In Amal Clooney wiki page it is stated that: "Tripoli in Northern Lebanon".
Sinxe there is a muvh more famous Tripoli in Lybia, my suggestion is to use the name Ṭarābulus.
Thank you Aghib ( talk) 06:05, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Please add that Ms Clooney has been named
Time magazine's
"Woman of the Year" for 2022.
https://time.com/collection/women-of-the-year/6150539/amal-clooney/?utm_source=roundup&utm_campaign=20220216
Thank you for your time,
Wordreader (
talk) 04:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
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This page should not be speedily deleted because there does not appear to be a suitable reason for deletion. Overturn. This page should not be speedily deleted because Amal Alamuddin meets the standards for being included, based on her resume and body of accomplishments, and many public reports about her, which need not be repeated here, without regard for her engagement to George Clooney. The article could be expanded, however, because the more one researches her the more notable she appears. Bracton ( talk) 15:28, 29 April 2014 (UTC) This page should not be speedily deleted because... this is outright censorship and it should have no place at wikipedia; as a donor to your site I am offended by this. I have no doubt that there are very objectionable descriptions in this site and there is no censorship of those, why should there be one of this article. This clearly makes me pause as to my financial commitment to wikipedia. -- 75.93.91.234 ( talk) 17:22, 3 May 2014 (UTC) This page should not be speedily deleted because i find all of the material taken from valid references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.204.190.73 ( talk) 19:01, 3 May 2014 (UTC) This page should not be speedily deleted because... How on earth am I supposed to read the facts about George Clooney's extremely intelligent fiancé when you delete her page ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.72.186.44 ( talk) 22:31, 3 May 2014 (UTC) This page should not be speedily deleted because there are 1000s of pages on persons bio - actor, celeb, politicians then why not for Amal? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.38.225 ( talk) 01:38, 4 May 2014 (UTC) This page should not be speedily deleted because... I do not know your criteria for speedy deletion; but assuming accuracy in the article, she seems more accomplished than George Clooney, who she is said to be marrying and whose fame may have gotten her here. Why delete the more accomplished partner in a public relationship. I'm sure you still have his page displayed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.214.195.4 ( talk) 05:04, 4 May 2014 (UTC) This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --Michael B. Miller, PhD 21:51, 4 May 2014 (UTC) You guys think every episode of The Simpsons should have it's own wiki page, but an international UN lawyer should have her page deleted? Is that because she is female? Is it because she is Middle Eastern? Is it because she is engaged to George Clooney? Please explain. Thanks. By the way, I am only here right now because I had heard that Clooney was engaged to a very interesting and well-educated (Oxford?) woman and I wanted to read about her. The potential of that couple to have an important impact in international politics is huge. I can't believe you let someone delete her entry!! Mike Miller Michael B. Miller, Ph.D. This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) -- 66.192.70.42 ( talk) 17:23, 5 May 2014 (UTC) This person is newsworthy in her own right. Even prior to the news explosion of the last few days, there was a lot written about her in conventional news sources and she is famous in a field that is of great public interest. This page should be deleted. While Ms Alamuddin has generated some news, she is not notable for an entry in an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not just a respository of facts culed from a newspaper. I specifically address this page and this problem in this article: http://newslines.org/blog/wikipedia-is-not-a-newspaper/ -- Sparkzilla talk! 01:21, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
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Was curious as to why many of the citations on this entry are archived from the original -- even though the links are active / good, non-dead links? Is this a new citation style that is being used? Thanks in advance for any info on this. Best, Erika BrillLyle ( talk) 23:52, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
There are many sources describing her as Shiite or Muslim.
Somebody please revert editor who removed my category. 80.43.208.11 ( talk) 09:23, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
It depends on whom you ask. Probably a decent analogy would be to that of whether the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) are Christians. Today increasingly many Christians (including some evangelicals) have moved in that direction. What remains indisputable is that the Druze had their origin among a distinct Shi’i gnostic movement, and the doctrines and practices of the Druze would be incomprehensible apart from this wider Islamic tradition. It may be even useful to compare the Druze with the Baha’i movement, another much more recent offshoot of Shi’ism.
Note in particular that the article is not even addressing the question of whether Alamuddin is Muslim at this point: the text is a general response to the question "Are the Druze Muslims?" The WP article should not state her religion, because the source does not state it. I also have a minor concern that the article states that she is Arab, but when I read the cited source it does not actually say that. It tells us who her parents are and their background, and that she has been in the UK since she was 2. It never uses the word "Arab" to describe Alamuddin. It does call her "Lebanese", which I find odd, given that it also seems to say that she has not lived in Lebanon since she was 2. Are other editors satisfied that the connecting of dots to refer to her ethnicity as Arab is OK? hamiltonstone ( talk) 13:17, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
My note is on the Ethnicity that was referred to be Arab. My preference is Arab is not a ethnic group. Arabs could be a cultural reference based on the language, but it is not a ethnic group since Arabs have different ethnicity among them. Gulf countries are totally different to North Africans, yet they all are considered Arabs. ~ Ayman Zaki
Amal was born in Lebanon and lived there until 2. Why is she listed as a British Lebanese and not as a Lebanese Briton ? 108.51.113.3 ( talk) 17:12, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
I agree - she is listed as British-Lebanese?? She was born in Lebanon and at age 2 moved to UK. She is Lebanese-Briton. This should be corrected and also in the media this should be corrected. That is all, good day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmdesigns7 ( talk • contribs) 02:29, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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"Alamuddin has three younger siblings - one sister, Tala, and two half-brothers, Samer and Ziad,[1] from her father's first marriage." How does that even make sense? Hannahbonanza ( talk) 20:43, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
This section is incredibly detailed with exact information on what and when Alamuddin and her husband obtained marriage licenses, their wedding and so on. This might have made sense in a book or something of similar length, but we are writing a biographic entry in an encyclopedia, and half the challenge is what to leave out and how to shorten the text so we don't let the readers drown in irrelevant detail. Compare for example this to the incredibly long and ambitious article about Barack Obama, which simply states that he and his wife "became engaged in 1991, and were married on October 3, 1992". That's the level of information we're usually looking for in an entry. / Julle ( talk) 09:19, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
I basically agree with Manning and Julle's approach and edits. I thought there was too much detail about the wedding. The current compromise that includes the notable celebrant i think is good, except the phrase "star-studded wedding ceremony" seems to me unencyclopedic. Replace it with something like "a ceremony attended by prominent actors and public figures including x, y and z" the x,y and z list should NOT be comprehensive but only the two or three or four most famous people there. I do accept the argument that the Obama example is of only partial relevance because they were not notable at the time they married, but if you read articles about people who were, for example, already active in politics and notable when they married, there is still little detail. hamiltonstone ( talk) 23:55, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Manning, if Amal were noteworthy before her marriage why didn't she have a page? There are not pages for george's other exes. 65.205.13.26 ( talk) 00:58, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
I excised two sections to get the personal life back under control.
Now while a marriage celebrant is generally not significant, here it was conducted by a highly notable person (a former mayor of Rome). That makes it IMO, a noteworthy detail, and thus should stay. Manning ( talk) 13:12, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
This
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Rudydudey ( talk) 17:26, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Someone add this. M0lkno ( talk) 18:49, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
What do you guys think? She changed her name legally. Even the bio on her law firm's website changed her name from "Amal Alamuddin" to "Amal Clooney" - clearly, she changed her name professionally as well.-- Guat6 ( talk) 00:42, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I've restored "Clooney" after it was mass reverted in a series of edits that deleted content and broke references. There are some minor edits made since that should probably be folded back in. -- Ronz ( talk) 20:23, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Mr Veltroni is an Atheist.
I believe to be fair to Amal's parents, (whose religious affiliation is noted in this article), George Clooney's BEST friend's religious leanings MUST be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.27.110.136 ( talk) 14:33, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
amal was born in lebanon and lived there until age 2. she then moved to london.
please change british-lebanese to lebanese-briton.
65.205.13.26 ( talk) 01:05, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Latin script says "Amal Ramzi Clooney", but the Arabic script in parentheses immediately following says "Amal Alamuddin"). AnonMoos ( talk) 17:26, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
BrillLyle ( talk · contribs) I don't understand what you mean by "Keeping external links clean". And why in the world would a YouTube video be used as a source? It's clearly something that belongs in the external link section. Étienne Dolet ( talk) 07:57, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
I agree with the removal of the link. Interviews make for poor external links in general. Video interviews worse unless there's something conveyed in the richer media format relevant to the subject's notability. If we are lacking her perspective in the article, it should be addressed in the article content rather than External links section. -- Ronz ( talk) 20:41, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
@ Mdg1981: doesn't seem to like the latest available image of Amal Clooney and keeps changing it to:
I've reverted these changes twice and don't want to hit the WP:3RR. Does anyone else have input on which image to use for the article? Thanks. // sikander { talk } 13:32, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 17:51, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Article doesn't say. -- Viennese Waltz 13:34, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi. In Amal Clooney wiki page it is stated that: "Tripoli in Northern Lebanon".
Sinxe there is a muvh more famous Tripoli in Lybia, my suggestion is to use the name Ṭarābulus.
Thank you Aghib ( talk) 06:05, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Please add that Ms Clooney has been named
Time magazine's
"Woman of the Year" for 2022.
https://time.com/collection/women-of-the-year/6150539/amal-clooney/?utm_source=roundup&utm_campaign=20220216
Thank you for your time,
Wordreader (
talk) 04:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)