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I don't quite understand all of the requests for citation. The tenor is indeed lower than the alto. This is... just a fact. -- Evertype· ✆ 19:06, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
I don't quite understand your comments about the picture caption, Jerome. Modern recorders pretty much have either baroque fingering or German fingering. I guess the former is sometimes called "English" but Dolmetsch and Mollenhauer and Moeck use the terms Baroque and German. So I don't see how the caption suggests that the instrument might be hundreds of years old. -- Evertype· ✆ 20:49, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
The following dimensions were taken from a descant and a treble recorder both made by Adler in the 1960s. It is to be hoped that using two recorders from the same manufacturer eliminates style differences. However the descant was in two sections with a bulbous foot whilst the treble was in three sections with a flatter foot. The descant's holes were all normal to the bore, the treble had holes 3 and 5 angled to make playing easier. Lip to foot was measured using a ruler, other dimensions were measured using a vernier calliper. Calliper measurements are in units of 1/128"
Measurement | Dimension | Descant | Treble | percentage increase |
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1 | Lip to foot | 11 1/8" | 16 9/16" | 49 |
2 | Window height | 17 | 21 | 24 |
3 | Bore (at window) | 71 | 100 | 41 |
4 | Bore (at foot) | 36 | 63 | 75 |
5 | Holes 1 to 2 (inclusive) | 130 | 170 | 31 |
6 | Hole 5 diameter | 28 | 34 | 21 |
These are wooden recorders, and so surface effects may explain the small increase in measurement 6. 1 is the critical measurement for pitch, and not surprisingly it is the closest to the theoretical. The bore at the window is close, but the larger change in the bore at the foot betokens a more gradual taper on the treble.
Now, this is all WP:OR because I made the measurements. I would suggest that it does support the "approximately 50% larger in all dimensions" statement. I'm inclined to suggest that the loose wording used (intentionally) means that WP:SNOW applies, one look at the instruments supports the approximation, as Jerome accepted in his comment. I'm now too close to the research, perhaps you, Jerome, would review your {{ cn}} tag and edit the paragraph. Regards, Martin of Sheffield ( talk) 21:47, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move ( non-admin closure) >>> Extorc. talk 20:47, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Alto recorder → treble recorder – More common name, as per Google Ngrams. Theknightwho ( talk) 01:15, 19 January 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request ( permalink). UtherSRG (talk) 12:06, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
In the first paragraph we read: "Its standard range is F4 to G6." Why should this be considered the standard range of an instrument that can be chromatically played to A6? The upper A is no more difficult to play than the F sharp (both require covering the bell hole). 89.247.174.203 ( talk) 15:10, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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I don't quite understand all of the requests for citation. The tenor is indeed lower than the alto. This is... just a fact. -- Evertype· ✆ 19:06, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
I don't quite understand your comments about the picture caption, Jerome. Modern recorders pretty much have either baroque fingering or German fingering. I guess the former is sometimes called "English" but Dolmetsch and Mollenhauer and Moeck use the terms Baroque and German. So I don't see how the caption suggests that the instrument might be hundreds of years old. -- Evertype· ✆ 20:49, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
The following dimensions were taken from a descant and a treble recorder both made by Adler in the 1960s. It is to be hoped that using two recorders from the same manufacturer eliminates style differences. However the descant was in two sections with a bulbous foot whilst the treble was in three sections with a flatter foot. The descant's holes were all normal to the bore, the treble had holes 3 and 5 angled to make playing easier. Lip to foot was measured using a ruler, other dimensions were measured using a vernier calliper. Calliper measurements are in units of 1/128"
Measurement | Dimension | Descant | Treble | percentage increase |
---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Lip to foot | 11 1/8" | 16 9/16" | 49 |
2 | Window height | 17 | 21 | 24 |
3 | Bore (at window) | 71 | 100 | 41 |
4 | Bore (at foot) | 36 | 63 | 75 |
5 | Holes 1 to 2 (inclusive) | 130 | 170 | 31 |
6 | Hole 5 diameter | 28 | 34 | 21 |
These are wooden recorders, and so surface effects may explain the small increase in measurement 6. 1 is the critical measurement for pitch, and not surprisingly it is the closest to the theoretical. The bore at the window is close, but the larger change in the bore at the foot betokens a more gradual taper on the treble.
Now, this is all WP:OR because I made the measurements. I would suggest that it does support the "approximately 50% larger in all dimensions" statement. I'm inclined to suggest that the loose wording used (intentionally) means that WP:SNOW applies, one look at the instruments supports the approximation, as Jerome accepted in his comment. I'm now too close to the research, perhaps you, Jerome, would review your {{ cn}} tag and edit the paragraph. Regards, Martin of Sheffield ( talk) 21:47, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move ( non-admin closure) >>> Extorc. talk 20:47, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Alto recorder → treble recorder – More common name, as per Google Ngrams. Theknightwho ( talk) 01:15, 19 January 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request ( permalink). UtherSRG (talk) 12:06, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
In the first paragraph we read: "Its standard range is F4 to G6." Why should this be considered the standard range of an instrument that can be chromatically played to A6? The upper A is no more difficult to play than the F sharp (both require covering the bell hole). 89.247.174.203 ( talk) 15:10, 28 February 2024 (UTC)