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I noticed the sentence:
"term is disliked by some nationalists because the whole of the Province of Ulster consists of nine counties"
Instead, should it read "Historical Kingdom of Ulster"? The maps here and wiki article Kingdoms of ancient Ireland appears to back that up. Reading it just didnt seem to make sense- the only time i've heard the phrase 'province' used is by Unionists or in pro-union media to describe NI as a province of/within the UK structure, not as a territorial province called Ulster. Unionists do use the term 'Ulster' to mean NI but I have frequently heard the argument in nationalist circles that- "Ulster is 9 counties not 6".
There was one other thing- there doesnt appear to be any explanation or link to the explanation of this in introductory paragraph:
"the region, known officially as Northern Ireland was made up of six counties, four of which were [at the time] largely Protestant and unionist."
Is it possible to link to Boundary Commission (Ireland) to give explanation of what lead to the formation of majorities described? I don't know the details of it, but theres a popular view im aware of that the boundary commission 'rigged' the border so nationalist population in the now RoI border counties were deliberately excluded from NI just so unionist voting majorities could be created in NI. Is that just a myth? Fluffy999 00:17, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
"In the Republic of Ireland, people typically refer to Northern Ireland simply as "the North". They do not usually mean the term in a political sense, however, but are merely stating a geographic reality in respect of the island of Ireland as a whole." How exactly could "The North" be interpreted in a political sense? DJ Clayworth 21:43, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
I personally refer to Northern Ireland as "The North." The article mentions that NI is often referred to by republicans as the "North East." I don't know any one who refers to NI as the North East and unless some one has, I think this term should be deleted from the article. When some one mentions "North East" I immediately think of Louth, Meath, Monaghan, although I would have no qualms including NI counties in the definition. antnix 22:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
This article was nominated for deletion. The result was keep. For details, please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northern Ireland naming dispute. -- BD2412 talk 04:53, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
I think that the content of this page is valuable, but perhaps it would be better to move this to "Northern Ireland naming controversy," since, as it was pointed out, there isn't so much an active argument (a dispute) so much as a subtle, yet political, inherent problem with the name. What is thought about this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joomba ( talk • contribs) 09:08, 8 November 2005.
How about mentioning the Irish Gaelic and Ulster Scots names? - FrancisTyers 21:46, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
i question whether this topic should exist. it suggests a much more serious and active problem than seems to actually exist. "dispute" suggests on ongoing fight between two or more major parties. when it is only a few extremists trying to create a dispute out of nothing, as seems to be the case here, the very existence of an article about a "dispute" is POV.
a similar example might be if someone created a "west bank/judea and samaria naming dispute" article. in this case, the extreme right wing in israel insists on the term "judea and samaria", and it is used by some english-language journalists who take this position (e.g. william safire). but there is no serious mainstream dispute.
Benwing 04:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I propose this article be renamed to "Alternative nomenclature for Northern Ireland". The nomenclature section in the main Northern Ireland article should be cut down to a couple of sentences, as there is far too much info on this in that main article. Any excess content in the main NI article should then be merged with here, though I think that this information here is much more accurate in general than in the main NI article. Jonto 21:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
As an Irish Nationalists, I can say with some degree of certainty that there is little argument over what the area is called. When a Nationalists hears “Ulster”, they usually think of the whole province, so it’s not offensive to most. Northern Ireland is what is it: northern Ireland. It’s not “North Ireland” as it does not take into account the most Northerly part of Ireland, it describes what the area is roughly, most of the Northern part of Ireland.
Catholics, Protestants, Nationalists and Unionists can all say “The North” because, believe it or not, most of us are much more relaxed that what some people believe. This isn’t a big island, when you’re going down to a county that is in the Republic, I doubt many people go “I’m off to the Republic of Ireland”, it’s simply “I’m going down South”. It’s not a political thing at all.
Hard liners are the one’s that make media attention, but in reality, both “communities” say whatever comes to their mouths first.
81.79.222.137 22:18, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
A gross mispresentation that it blatently dishonest. All the speaker does is say that people have come to the meeting from around the six countries. As there are six countries, all the speaker was doing is stating the bleeding obvious. (That is why it is lowercased. He is referring to the number of counties.) He was not calling the state the Six Counties. If he was, it would have been uppercased. It would help if Jonto didn't make untrue claims.
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For an informal merger discussion see Wikipedia_talk:Irish_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Names_of_Ireland.
Djegan 20:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
I have amended the phrase:
the Government of Northern Ireland once tried to change the official name of the country to Ulster, but this was vetoed by the UK Government.
to
the Government of Northern Ireland once considered changing the official name of the country to Ulster.
because as far as I understood the rejection came from the then NI Prime Minister on the grounds that he didn't want to cede the use of 'Ireland' to the Republic. I have left the citation tag in because I can't remember where I read this. beano 21:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
The term "Norn Iron" is not meant to be a new name for Northern Ireland, instead it is merely the way that "Northern Ireland" is pronounced in some Northern Irish accents. This should not be considered a new, different, or alternative name for the country. Furthermore, there are no citations to support this in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.121.10 ( talk) 23:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
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I noticed the sentence:
"term is disliked by some nationalists because the whole of the Province of Ulster consists of nine counties"
Instead, should it read "Historical Kingdom of Ulster"? The maps here and wiki article Kingdoms of ancient Ireland appears to back that up. Reading it just didnt seem to make sense- the only time i've heard the phrase 'province' used is by Unionists or in pro-union media to describe NI as a province of/within the UK structure, not as a territorial province called Ulster. Unionists do use the term 'Ulster' to mean NI but I have frequently heard the argument in nationalist circles that- "Ulster is 9 counties not 6".
There was one other thing- there doesnt appear to be any explanation or link to the explanation of this in introductory paragraph:
"the region, known officially as Northern Ireland was made up of six counties, four of which were [at the time] largely Protestant and unionist."
Is it possible to link to Boundary Commission (Ireland) to give explanation of what lead to the formation of majorities described? I don't know the details of it, but theres a popular view im aware of that the boundary commission 'rigged' the border so nationalist population in the now RoI border counties were deliberately excluded from NI just so unionist voting majorities could be created in NI. Is that just a myth? Fluffy999 00:17, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
"In the Republic of Ireland, people typically refer to Northern Ireland simply as "the North". They do not usually mean the term in a political sense, however, but are merely stating a geographic reality in respect of the island of Ireland as a whole." How exactly could "The North" be interpreted in a political sense? DJ Clayworth 21:43, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
I personally refer to Northern Ireland as "The North." The article mentions that NI is often referred to by republicans as the "North East." I don't know any one who refers to NI as the North East and unless some one has, I think this term should be deleted from the article. When some one mentions "North East" I immediately think of Louth, Meath, Monaghan, although I would have no qualms including NI counties in the definition. antnix 22:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
This article was nominated for deletion. The result was keep. For details, please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northern Ireland naming dispute. -- BD2412 talk 04:53, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
I think that the content of this page is valuable, but perhaps it would be better to move this to "Northern Ireland naming controversy," since, as it was pointed out, there isn't so much an active argument (a dispute) so much as a subtle, yet political, inherent problem with the name. What is thought about this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joomba ( talk • contribs) 09:08, 8 November 2005.
How about mentioning the Irish Gaelic and Ulster Scots names? - FrancisTyers 21:46, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
i question whether this topic should exist. it suggests a much more serious and active problem than seems to actually exist. "dispute" suggests on ongoing fight between two or more major parties. when it is only a few extremists trying to create a dispute out of nothing, as seems to be the case here, the very existence of an article about a "dispute" is POV.
a similar example might be if someone created a "west bank/judea and samaria naming dispute" article. in this case, the extreme right wing in israel insists on the term "judea and samaria", and it is used by some english-language journalists who take this position (e.g. william safire). but there is no serious mainstream dispute.
Benwing 04:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I propose this article be renamed to "Alternative nomenclature for Northern Ireland". The nomenclature section in the main Northern Ireland article should be cut down to a couple of sentences, as there is far too much info on this in that main article. Any excess content in the main NI article should then be merged with here, though I think that this information here is much more accurate in general than in the main NI article. Jonto 21:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
As an Irish Nationalists, I can say with some degree of certainty that there is little argument over what the area is called. When a Nationalists hears “Ulster”, they usually think of the whole province, so it’s not offensive to most. Northern Ireland is what is it: northern Ireland. It’s not “North Ireland” as it does not take into account the most Northerly part of Ireland, it describes what the area is roughly, most of the Northern part of Ireland.
Catholics, Protestants, Nationalists and Unionists can all say “The North” because, believe it or not, most of us are much more relaxed that what some people believe. This isn’t a big island, when you’re going down to a county that is in the Republic, I doubt many people go “I’m off to the Republic of Ireland”, it’s simply “I’m going down South”. It’s not a political thing at all.
Hard liners are the one’s that make media attention, but in reality, both “communities” say whatever comes to their mouths first.
81.79.222.137 22:18, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
A gross mispresentation that it blatently dishonest. All the speaker does is say that people have come to the meeting from around the six countries. As there are six countries, all the speaker was doing is stating the bleeding obvious. (That is why it is lowercased. He is referring to the number of counties.) He was not calling the state the Six Counties. If he was, it would have been uppercased. It would help if Jonto didn't make untrue claims.
FearÉIREANN
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(caint) 21:17, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
For an informal merger discussion see Wikipedia_talk:Irish_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Names_of_Ireland.
Djegan 20:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
I have amended the phrase:
the Government of Northern Ireland once tried to change the official name of the country to Ulster, but this was vetoed by the UK Government.
to
the Government of Northern Ireland once considered changing the official name of the country to Ulster.
because as far as I understood the rejection came from the then NI Prime Minister on the grounds that he didn't want to cede the use of 'Ireland' to the Republic. I have left the citation tag in because I can't remember where I read this. beano 21:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
The term "Norn Iron" is not meant to be a new name for Northern Ireland, instead it is merely the way that "Northern Ireland" is pronounced in some Northern Irish accents. This should not be considered a new, different, or alternative name for the country. Furthermore, there are no citations to support this in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.121.10 ( talk) 23:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
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