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The company always writes its name in capitals as ALSTOM but this is just an affectation as it is not a six-letter abbreviation for anything. Andy G 18:12, 28 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Although after what's been said on talk:Naming_conventions Odd capitalization of commercial names we should probably honour this and move the article back to ALSTOM. Bah! Andy G 23:49, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Not necessarily. Copy-editors and writers of style guides for newspapers have long experience on this kind of thing. For example, the company that likes to write its name "BAE SYSTEMS" was not successful in instructing newpapers to capitalize it all; "BAE Systems" seems to be what has stuck in the broadsheets. Other new ways to write trademarked names (which seem to me to be entirely derived from whatever the current logo is...) have been more successful: car magazines used to write 'Quattro' (for various Audi cars), but now 'quattro' is quite common. Of course, computer companies are some of the most "innovative" in their orthographic strictures: eBay, CorelDRAW!, etc. Although a computer magazine might bow to Corel's instructions, no broadsheet would, and rightly so. They've sinced changed back to something more normal. Why should a company logo dictate typography of a company name? Hotlorp 13:55, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Is there any explanation as to why the company's name shed an 'h' at some point? Teflon 18:55, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
As a current employee, I can confirm that the group name is not capitalised. This only appears as a logo. 57.67.17.100 ( talk) 14:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC)DeeDee
Didn't Alst[h]om build some of the original BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) railcars? I seem to remember this from somewhere. + ILike2BeAnonymous 04:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
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The University of Lincoln has a cafeteria named the Alstom Atrium. Nobody seems quite sure what the connection is but it uses their logo. Are there any others? 194.80.52.106 ( talk) 13:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Here is the reason for the name of Alstom Atrium
“The university has strong links with Alstom Power, who were strong supporters of the project to create a university in Lincoln in the 1990s. Our atrium in the main academic building is named after the company"
Source : http://www.lincoln.ac.uk/news/2002/12/lincolnpostgrad03.htm Netnag ( talk) 05:39, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
I was very surprised to see that no mention of the Swiss and French bribery investigations in the article, it reads more like a marketing blurb! Subsequently I have listed the Swiss and French cases in 2007-2008 and the new SFO investigation in order to bring a little balance to the entry Twobells ( talk) 11:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
I added a section of the "transmission" division.
I think the other two sections still need a minor rewrite, and probably expansion, but not lists. The "references" section are a little odd - I think they could be presented in a diffferent way - maybe more as prose.
I also removed the lists below , for now. The problem is lack of context, and references. A List of Alstom products and projects article may be suitable in the long term.
Passenger rail vehicles
Railway signalling equipment
Rail clients
Sf5xeplus ( talk) 13:14, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Sf5xeplus,
I agree on the creation of a List of Products page. There are also many products in the Grid/Transmission sector worth mentioning.
Martin henry ( talk) 23:57, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
removed
August 22, 2008 Swiss police carried out a series of house searches at various locations throughout Switzerland, including the offices of the Alstom AG in Baden, the Swiss government said in a statement. [1]
Whoever added this didn't feel the need to actually give us the slightest clue what the police search was about or how it relates to any of the corruption investigations mentioned in the article. I'm not here to wipe other peoples arses. So fix it yourself. It's also a copy-paste straight from the link. Cheers . 83.100.200.4 ( talk) 23:29, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
also this
On Wednesday the 24th March 2010 three directors were arrested in a UK corruption probe by the Serious Fraud Office. The arrests followed a raid on Alstom offices in Ashby de la Zouch and Rugby UK. The SFO released a statement stating it believed bribes had been paid in order to win foreign contracts. [2]
copyvio again, and no attempt at explanation - eg what bribes, contract, business area etc. Fail.
the edit difference here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Alstom&action=historysubmit&diff=405398192&oldid=405397279 83.100.200.4 ( talk) 23:30, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
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Legal challenges In recent years, Alstom has made many legal challenges after losing bids to provide rolling stock,<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.railwaygazette.com/nc/news/single-view/view/alstom-pursues-eurostar-challenge.html|accessdate=2010-12-12|title=Railway Gazette: Alstom pursues Eurostar challenge|date=2010-12-12}}</ref> including: *In December 2010, against [[BKV|Budapesti Közlekedési Részvénytársaság]], which runs public transport in [[Budapest]]; it had cancelled an order for 170 Metropolis vehicles, claiming that brakes did not meet Hungarian standards.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.railwaysafrica.com/blog/2010/12/alstom-sues-budapest/|accessdate=2010-12-12|title=ALSTOM SUES BUDAPEST | Railways Africa|date=2010-12-12}}</ref> *In October 2010, against [[Eurostar]]'s decision to buy rolling stock from [[Siemens Mobility|Siemens]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11655460|accessdate=2010-12-12|title=BBC News - Alstom loses Eurostar court case over German train deal|date=2010-12-12}}</ref> *In October 2009, against Bombardier, which won a large tender to supply commuter EMUs in Paris<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.challenges.fr/magazine/strategie/0181.022235/alstom_et_bombardier_croisent_le_fer.html|accessdate=2010-12-12|title=Alstom and Bombardier cross swords - Anna Rousseau - - News Challenges.fr|date=2010-12-12}}</ref> *In August 2010, against [[Trenitalia]]'s decision to order [[V300Zefiro]] trains from Bombardier / AnsaldoBreda.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.railwaygazette.com/nc/news/single-view/view/trenitalia-signs-v300zefiro-high-speed-train-contract.html|accessdate=2010-12-12|title=Railway Gazette: Trenitalia signs V300ZEFIRO high speed train contract|date=2010-12-12}}</ref>
In this case the argument that Alstom has made many legal challenges needs to be shown using reliable sources, rather than a synthesis based on a collection of legal cases. I'm not familiar with company law, so it's not clear that this is notable, unusual, normal or otherwise. Thanks. 83.100.200.4 ( talk) 23:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, why is it always "Alsthom" in the history table. I wanted to correct it because I saw it in one part but on edit I saw that it was wrong (It has to be Alstom, but it is Alsthom), is there any reason for this (changed name in the past or something?!)
Greetings Kilon22 ( talk) 13:20, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the information. That is why I asked and didn't change anything ;) It is understandable that they changed the name to have more success on the international market. Kilon22 ( talk) 22:51, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Alstom&diff=584735297&oldid=584667286
excluding the slightly difficult to read english - I don't think a downturn in orders is an encyclopedic topic - it might be later - but currently it is just "news". We aren't listing the details of each quarterly report. Prof.Haddock ( talk) 19:32, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
... , in spite of a letter of intimidation dated 27 April to both CEOs from Arnaud Montebourg, France's minister for the economy. [3] French President Francois Hollande said “The role of the state is to make sure the national interest is upheld. We have sufficient means of pressure to ensure that the outcome is good for Alstom, good for French industry, and good for the diversity of energy,” yet Article 21 of the EU Merger Regulation allows governments to block takeovers if public security or the free media is threatened, and there is no veto for energy. [4]
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hi, my self suresh from india i m interested investment in this company. but some question in my mind about year on year debt of company — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.7.213.136 ( talk) 15:26, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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In one place in the article the company name is spelled "Alstrom" with an "r". Was this ever an appropriate name for the company or another related rail company? I ask because I came here specifically looking for references to the name with an "r" as I remember it once being called that way.
Some pages using the name both with and without the "r":
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We should either trim this down to the bigger product "families" (Aveila, Aventra, Metropolis) -- or split off to a bigger "List of Alstom products" page -- or both. Objections? RickyCourtney ( talk) 22:16, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
Alstom Australia is a largely uncited, stub article about a relatively small branch office of Alstom. Propose the cited bits be incorporated into this article and Alstom Australia set as a redirect. Bagufleat ( talk) 03:55, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
The UGL Australia article says UGL owns Alstom in Australia or something. Can someone verify this? Because
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The company always writes its name in capitals as ALSTOM but this is just an affectation as it is not a six-letter abbreviation for anything. Andy G 18:12, 28 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Although after what's been said on talk:Naming_conventions Odd capitalization of commercial names we should probably honour this and move the article back to ALSTOM. Bah! Andy G 23:49, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Not necessarily. Copy-editors and writers of style guides for newspapers have long experience on this kind of thing. For example, the company that likes to write its name "BAE SYSTEMS" was not successful in instructing newpapers to capitalize it all; "BAE Systems" seems to be what has stuck in the broadsheets. Other new ways to write trademarked names (which seem to me to be entirely derived from whatever the current logo is...) have been more successful: car magazines used to write 'Quattro' (for various Audi cars), but now 'quattro' is quite common. Of course, computer companies are some of the most "innovative" in their orthographic strictures: eBay, CorelDRAW!, etc. Although a computer magazine might bow to Corel's instructions, no broadsheet would, and rightly so. They've sinced changed back to something more normal. Why should a company logo dictate typography of a company name? Hotlorp 13:55, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Is there any explanation as to why the company's name shed an 'h' at some point? Teflon 18:55, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
As a current employee, I can confirm that the group name is not capitalised. This only appears as a logo. 57.67.17.100 ( talk) 14:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC)DeeDee
Didn't Alst[h]om build some of the original BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) railcars? I seem to remember this from somewhere. + ILike2BeAnonymous 04:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
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The University of Lincoln has a cafeteria named the Alstom Atrium. Nobody seems quite sure what the connection is but it uses their logo. Are there any others? 194.80.52.106 ( talk) 13:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Here is the reason for the name of Alstom Atrium
“The university has strong links with Alstom Power, who were strong supporters of the project to create a university in Lincoln in the 1990s. Our atrium in the main academic building is named after the company"
Source : http://www.lincoln.ac.uk/news/2002/12/lincolnpostgrad03.htm Netnag ( talk) 05:39, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
I was very surprised to see that no mention of the Swiss and French bribery investigations in the article, it reads more like a marketing blurb! Subsequently I have listed the Swiss and French cases in 2007-2008 and the new SFO investigation in order to bring a little balance to the entry Twobells ( talk) 11:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
I added a section of the "transmission" division.
I think the other two sections still need a minor rewrite, and probably expansion, but not lists. The "references" section are a little odd - I think they could be presented in a diffferent way - maybe more as prose.
I also removed the lists below , for now. The problem is lack of context, and references. A List of Alstom products and projects article may be suitable in the long term.
Passenger rail vehicles
Railway signalling equipment
Rail clients
Sf5xeplus ( talk) 13:14, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Sf5xeplus,
I agree on the creation of a List of Products page. There are also many products in the Grid/Transmission sector worth mentioning.
Martin henry ( talk) 23:57, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
removed
August 22, 2008 Swiss police carried out a series of house searches at various locations throughout Switzerland, including the offices of the Alstom AG in Baden, the Swiss government said in a statement. [1]
Whoever added this didn't feel the need to actually give us the slightest clue what the police search was about or how it relates to any of the corruption investigations mentioned in the article. I'm not here to wipe other peoples arses. So fix it yourself. It's also a copy-paste straight from the link. Cheers . 83.100.200.4 ( talk) 23:29, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
also this
On Wednesday the 24th March 2010 three directors were arrested in a UK corruption probe by the Serious Fraud Office. The arrests followed a raid on Alstom offices in Ashby de la Zouch and Rugby UK. The SFO released a statement stating it believed bribes had been paid in order to win foreign contracts. [2]
copyvio again, and no attempt at explanation - eg what bribes, contract, business area etc. Fail.
the edit difference here http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Alstom&action=historysubmit&diff=405398192&oldid=405397279 83.100.200.4 ( talk) 23:30, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Removal difference [3]
Legal challenges In recent years, Alstom has made many legal challenges after losing bids to provide rolling stock,<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.railwaygazette.com/nc/news/single-view/view/alstom-pursues-eurostar-challenge.html|accessdate=2010-12-12|title=Railway Gazette: Alstom pursues Eurostar challenge|date=2010-12-12}}</ref> including: *In December 2010, against [[BKV|Budapesti Közlekedési Részvénytársaság]], which runs public transport in [[Budapest]]; it had cancelled an order for 170 Metropolis vehicles, claiming that brakes did not meet Hungarian standards.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.railwaysafrica.com/blog/2010/12/alstom-sues-budapest/|accessdate=2010-12-12|title=ALSTOM SUES BUDAPEST | Railways Africa|date=2010-12-12}}</ref> *In October 2010, against [[Eurostar]]'s decision to buy rolling stock from [[Siemens Mobility|Siemens]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11655460|accessdate=2010-12-12|title=BBC News - Alstom loses Eurostar court case over German train deal|date=2010-12-12}}</ref> *In October 2009, against Bombardier, which won a large tender to supply commuter EMUs in Paris<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.challenges.fr/magazine/strategie/0181.022235/alstom_et_bombardier_croisent_le_fer.html|accessdate=2010-12-12|title=Alstom and Bombardier cross swords - Anna Rousseau - - News Challenges.fr|date=2010-12-12}}</ref> *In August 2010, against [[Trenitalia]]'s decision to order [[V300Zefiro]] trains from Bombardier / AnsaldoBreda.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.railwaygazette.com/nc/news/single-view/view/trenitalia-signs-v300zefiro-high-speed-train-contract.html|accessdate=2010-12-12|title=Railway Gazette: Trenitalia signs V300ZEFIRO high speed train contract|date=2010-12-12}}</ref>
In this case the argument that Alstom has made many legal challenges needs to be shown using reliable sources, rather than a synthesis based on a collection of legal cases. I'm not familiar with company law, so it's not clear that this is notable, unusual, normal or otherwise. Thanks. 83.100.200.4 ( talk) 23:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, why is it always "Alsthom" in the history table. I wanted to correct it because I saw it in one part but on edit I saw that it was wrong (It has to be Alstom, but it is Alsthom), is there any reason for this (changed name in the past or something?!)
Greetings Kilon22 ( talk) 13:20, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the information. That is why I asked and didn't change anything ;) It is understandable that they changed the name to have more success on the international market. Kilon22 ( talk) 22:51, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Alstom&diff=584735297&oldid=584667286
excluding the slightly difficult to read english - I don't think a downturn in orders is an encyclopedic topic - it might be later - but currently it is just "news". We aren't listing the details of each quarterly report. Prof.Haddock ( talk) 19:32, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
... , in spite of a letter of intimidation dated 27 April to both CEOs from Arnaud Montebourg, France's minister for the economy. [3] French President Francois Hollande said “The role of the state is to make sure the national interest is upheld. We have sufficient means of pressure to ensure that the outcome is good for Alstom, good for French industry, and good for the diversity of energy,” yet Article 21 of the EU Merger Regulation allows governments to block takeovers if public security or the free media is threatened, and there is no veto for energy. [4]
Prof.Haddock ( talk) 16:23, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
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Please note Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section when adding information to the article = specifically the lead section is not the place to add upcoming or recent events. All information in the lead should be documented in the body of the article quote significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article
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In one place in the article the company name is spelled "Alstrom" with an "r". Was this ever an appropriate name for the company or another related rail company? I ask because I came here specifically looking for references to the name with an "r" as I remember it once being called that way.
Some pages using the name both with and without the "r":
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We should either trim this down to the bigger product "families" (Aveila, Aventra, Metropolis) -- or split off to a bigger "List of Alstom products" page -- or both. Objections? RickyCourtney ( talk) 22:16, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
Alstom Australia is a largely uncited, stub article about a relatively small branch office of Alstom. Propose the cited bits be incorporated into this article and Alstom Australia set as a redirect. Bagufleat ( talk) 03:55, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
The UGL Australia article says UGL owns Alstom in Australia or something. Can someone verify this? Because
Jordf32123 ( talk) 07:27, 11 September 2023 (UTC)