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There appears there was confusion/conflation during World War II on the Allies' part (which has largely carried over since) between: A) the notion of an "Alpine Redoubt" (or lack of it); B) allegedly pure propaganda claims one was being created made by Joseph Goebbels; and C) a very real combination of circumstances which included:
With: D) the lack of actual defensive military infrastructure build-up in the Bavarian and Austrian Alps (and combat units being driven there by advancing U.S. forces versus anticipated retreat of senior Party and military officials to continue the fight).
A good start on teasing it out can be gotten from:
Wikiuser100 ( talk) 02:01, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
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If the Alpine Fortress never existed, why were orders given to evacuate personnel to it on multiple occasions? Either it existed in some form, or those orders didn't exist either. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 10:01, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
Has any historian looked into the serious possibility that the western Allies knew the Redoubt wasn't real and used it as an excuse to send their armies away from Berlin? As the article states, it saved them a lot of casualties and also avoided a potential showdown with Stalin over who got credit for capturing Berlin. With the Allies reading Enigma and having penetrated German intelligence networks it seems strange they would be so fooled at this stage, also in a regime where things happened when Hitler wanted them to, the fact that he showed almost no interest means it can't have had that much momentum. Having said that who actually knows what Canaris and the Abwehr were really up to.
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There appears there was confusion/conflation during World War II on the Allies' part (which has largely carried over since) between: A) the notion of an "Alpine Redoubt" (or lack of it); B) allegedly pure propaganda claims one was being created made by Joseph Goebbels; and C) a very real combination of circumstances which included:
With: D) the lack of actual defensive military infrastructure build-up in the Bavarian and Austrian Alps (and combat units being driven there by advancing U.S. forces versus anticipated retreat of senior Party and military officials to continue the fight).
A good start on teasing it out can be gotten from:
Wikiuser100 ( talk) 02:01, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
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If the Alpine Fortress never existed, why were orders given to evacuate personnel to it on multiple occasions? Either it existed in some form, or those orders didn't exist either. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 10:01, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
Has any historian looked into the serious possibility that the western Allies knew the Redoubt wasn't real and used it as an excuse to send their armies away from Berlin? As the article states, it saved them a lot of casualties and also avoided a potential showdown with Stalin over who got credit for capturing Berlin. With the Allies reading Enigma and having penetrated German intelligence networks it seems strange they would be so fooled at this stage, also in a regime where things happened when Hitler wanted them to, the fact that he showed almost no interest means it can't have had that much momentum. Having said that who actually knows what Canaris and the Abwehr were really up to.