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Is it just me, or has some moron changed all the 6s into bs? They also seem to have done away with capital Bs, and there is no link to Z at the bottom of the page, instead another A... Gee Eight 19:12 UTC 16 March 2006
I would find it hard to support the statement that the letters of the alphabet represent (or approximate) phonemes. In English, due to its historical development, this is hardly the case. There are, supposedly, at least seven phonemes represented by "gh." In Italian, this statement has more validity.
The language ends up being very far from phonetic, but it's evidently organized on such principles. The letters generally have one or two primary sounds associated with them, so that when we see a new word we can usually guess about how it sounds, or transcribe foreign words into English. There are exceptions a lot of the time, but they are still the exceptions rather than the rule, I'd say. Maybe the best way to sum it up is: English is written with the Roman alphabet. ;)
PS - a quick search finds /g/ as in ghost, /gh/ as in doghouse, /f/ as in enough, /p/ as in hiccough, /w/ as in plough, /h/ as in Callaghan, and if you accept them, /k/ as in lough, /θ/ as in Keighley. Also it can show up as part of /ng/ or /ngh/ or as //, as in light. Tolkien used it to represent /γ/, but he was clearly being ridiculous.
Someone should add something here about George Bernhard Shaws alphabet proposals.----Are we referring to the "Fresh Fish" spelling item?
Isn't it just George Bernard Shaw, without an h? - Mel.
Question: Anybody know what this alphabet is called, and if it's already included:
A Alpha B Bravo C Charlie D Delta E Echo F Foxtrot
Answer: Nato phonetic alphabet. It is a so-called "phonetic" alphabet, not to be confused with the IPA. There are various "phonetic" alphabets of that kind. See http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/able.html for a few. -- Stephen Gilbert
I don't think Tolkien was being that ridiculous when choosing "gh" to represent the voiced "kh" or the fricative of "g". A couple other languages do that. Besides, it fits: k voices to g; kh voices to gh. I was kidding - I think it is completely reasonable, far more so than any of the actual options except g+h.
If syllabaries cannot have parallelism between sound and symbol (otherwise they would be called abugidas), can alphabets have parallelism between sound and symbol (such as a predictable mutation of the symbol from stop to fricative to nasal to semivowel or from voiced to voiceless)? -- Damian Yerrick
Can hiragana and katakana be called an alphabet? There are some usages such as the kyo as in Tokyo which is used like an alphabet instead of syllable.
There are lots more alphabets remaining on the Unicode consortium list that could be added to the link farm at the end of this article -- The Anome
The examples in 'collating order' seem to be broken - shouldn't there be a few more characters in the examples than I can see?
-- The Anome
It appears the user 216.250.162.xxx's software has inserted a load of extra whitespace throughout the article -- I have edited it back out. The Anome
How about mentioning the Phoenicians? Their name was adopted for the word "phonetic" and other similar words, much like "alpha" and "beta" for "alphabet".
Also, why is the alphabet ordered "abcdefg..." and not "etoani..." or some other arrangement? From what I have read, the symbols were associated with objects. For instance, A is upsidedown from the original Phoenician symbol which was a line drawing of an ox's head, B ("beta" in Greek, "beth" in Phoenician) was for "house", C came from "gimel" which is "camel" and is a line drawing of a camel's head (Greek letter "Gamma"), and D is for "door", as in the triangular shaped door of a tent (Greek letter "Delta"), and so on. These symbols were grouped according to subject matter presumably to make memorization of the alphabet easier. The first group is for domestic objects. Other groups concerned travel, especially on the sea, or monetary ideas, for some 5(?) groups in all. (Don't recall how many groups and what categories they were.)
Is there a 'family tree' of alphabets available somewhere? I'd like to see a graph of which alphabet is derived from which. -- Kimiko 22:10, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
The following from this article seems to me erroneous, or at least incomplete:
A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z
"Modern variations from the alphabet used by the Romans" include Norwegian (30 characters), Italian (22 characters), Spanish (29 characters), etc. And, for that matter, I'm pretty sure, the actual "Latin" alphabet had no J, no U, no Y, no Z. Every single article on a character uses this phrase Latin alphabet, but this is nothing but the English alphabet. Ortolan88 03:41, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Fair point, but easily corrected. - Mustafaa 04:55, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Sorry, that was my mistake. It's a thin space. I was probably still holding the shift key down when I hit the space bar—my keyboard layout has that character for shift+space—and didn't notice the mistake in preview. — Gwalla | Talk 19:43, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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What about Hangul? Why isn't it included "other alphabet" things?
Cbdorsett, you keep trying to say that the Khmer alphabet is the largest in the world. It's hard for me to see that, no matter how I count. Please justify your claim here, so we all know what you mean. kwami 04:35, 2005 Jun 3 (UTC)
The article uses "alphabet" in two senses: one that includes e.g. abjads like Arabic, and one that requires explicit vowels. At Harakat i've invented some wording to work around that ambiguity, but this article needs mention something more than such original research as an accepted means of making the distinction. (And, uh, needs to use it in the lead.) -- Jerzy (t) 17:15, 2005 Mar 25 (UTC)
The article currently claims Additional letters may be formed as ligatures, ... eszett ß from SS, .... It is true that many German-speaking people today consider the letter eszett and double-esses to be interchangeable. But from the shape of the letter, and from it's name(s) ("eszett" in German, "szlig" ß in the HTML entities list http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/entities.html), it seems obvious to me that it is a ligature of "sz". -- DavidCary 3 July 2005 13:42 (UTC)
I have recast this section more along the lines of a hypothesis, rather than something widely accepted as fact- unless anyone can demonstrate that this is accepted as rote by academics in the field. I had not previously been familiar with this theory, which at first glance read like something dated and Eurocentric in outlook (though Logan himself apparently takes some pains to deny the Eurocentrism charge, and the implication that Western achievements are superior to non-Western). A quick skim through one of the texts quoted (for some reason, available online in full here) reveals a few egrarious errors (perhaps casually made, not necessarily fatal to the thesis) such as The Mesoamerican writing system, only four hundred years old at the time the conquistadors arrived in the sixteenth century, is thought to have never evolved beyond its original pictographic/ideographic stage(p.9), and generalisations like It is a fact, however, that Chinese thinking is considerably more concrete and practical and less abstract than Western thought which has been one of the factors that allowed it to contribute as much to world culture as it has...(p.43) which seem to be challengeable to me. I have no objection at all to this theory being documented here, but the content could probably be updated to reflect more precisely what is claimed, and in addition annotate any academic criticisms. Does anyone know of any such critiques? -- cjllw | TALK 02:30, 2005 July 26 (UTC)
kwami, I agree with you on every point. The theory as originally presented here seemed manifestly wrong-headed, and in researching Logan's work just now I still find it very unconvincing (although the actual claims made by Logan & his mentor McLuhan are more subtle and less black'n'white than its summary given here). The base idea seems to stem from Innis & McLuhan's theories that the medium of communication has an active (not just passive) contributary part towards the shaping of perception and thought processes ("the medium is the message"). Actually I don't doubt this is true to an extent, but I do doubt that the magnitude and scope of this influence could ever be reliably demonstrated, in isolation from the many other influences. Logan seems to then extend this pop analysis to award alphabetic systems a starring role in the formation of Western thought (whatever that is), alongside codified law, monotheism, abstract science, and deductive logic. His comparisons with non-Western (principally Chinese) "systems of thought" are based on gross generalisations, and omission of contrary views (such as the neat counterexample you have provided, the Hammurabai code). Amusingly, when explaining the result of studies which show that it takes no longer for a child to learn to write in Chinese systems (with many characters to learn) than it does a child to write in an alphabetic system (with few), he claims that this is because Western children are also learning "...the intellectual by-products of the alphabet, such as abstraction, analysis, rationality, and classification" - by implication, Chinese children do not (?!).
I should like to find some notable source which refutes these and other claims, even though their very enunciation should be enough to flag them as ill-formulated and incapable of being demonstrated. -- cjllw | TALK 06:51, 2005 July 26 (UTC)
I changed a line in the Spelling section about the Italian language since it said a wrong fact: that there's no word for "to spell" in Italian . There actually is one, "compitare", but for the reason explained in the text , no one seem to know it :) This is the new sentence: The Italian language verb corresponding to 'spell', compitare is unbeknown to many Italians because the act of spelling itself is almost never nedeed: a correct pronunciation exactly corresponds to a correct orthography.
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When written in Devanagari, Vedic Sanskrit has an alphabet of 53 letters, including the visarga mark for final aspiration and special letters for kš and jñ, though one of the letters is theoretical and not actually used.
When written in Devanagari, Vedic Sanskrit has an alphabet of 53 letters, including the visarga mark for final aspiration and special letters for kš and jñ, though one of the long els is theoretical and not actually used
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Considering it is almost always a cluster of k and s when it's not denoting a greek Z sound.-- 220.238.238.21 12:58, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
-- 220.238.238.21 05:05, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
I am proposing changes to this page. The beginning days Alphabet originated with Phoenicians and Greeks, then in the History section it says it originated with Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphics.
There is contradiction there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ameninhat ( talk • contribs) 20:18, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Will do! But there is still a huge contradiction in where the Alphabet originated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ameninhat ( talk • contribs) 20:55, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
I thought the alphabet was invented by the Sumerians. 165.120.146.80 ( talk) 01:13, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
My point exactly! Origin of Alphabet is not clearly and factually established. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ameninhat ( talk • contribs) 20:58, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Sumerians used Cuneiform from Hieroglyphs. This is from where the concept Proto Canaanite and Proto Sinai came. Champollion could not have transliterated and translated the Rosetta Stone without Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphs having phonemic value and order — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ameninhat ( talk • contribs) 14:01, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
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An article on the alphabet should include a list of the letters, in order. There is none. 72.228.150.222 ( talk) 16:05, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
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Add another line at the top to say "For alphabet INC. see /info/en/?search=Alphabet_Inc. Pigyface25 ( talk) 15:11, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
The section Types has a figure labelled Predominant national and selected regional or minority scripts with a map that has a minor, "easily fixable" error.
The map shows Canadian syllabics only in Nunavut. In fact, Nunavik and most of northern Québec including Eeyou Istchee, Nitassinan and the Naskapi country of St'aschinuw. This script is also used across much of Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and even Alberta, BC and the Northwest Territories in Nishnawbe Aski Nation, other Cree and Anishinaabe countries and in parts of Denendeh. Even if that figure only considers national/regional "official" uses, it should definitely include the Northwest Territories as multiple syllabic-using languages are official languages of the territory.
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The first paragraph has one beginning parenthesis ( and two ending parentheses ) Please remove the second ), the one that appears at the end of the paragraph. 208.95.49.53 ( talk) 20:28, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
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The following text in the first sentence of the second paragraph of the introduction should be changed to that which follows it below:
This will replace the erroneous link to Proto-Canaanite—effectively a disambiguation page—with a corrected link to the intended target, Proto-Sinaitic script, without affecting the text displayed.
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See this. I'm sure many people think wrongly of, say a Chinese alphabet. comp.arch ( talk) 11:16, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
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Mark Sentence 1+2 as "need citation", as they make additional distinctions on what can be considered an alphabet beyond any definition I can find in a dictionary. 68.59.52.84 ( talk) 12:07, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
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An alphabet is a standardized set of basic written symbols or graphemes (called letters) that represent the phonemes of certain spoken languages.
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There is a line with a source that says the Khmer alphabet is the longest with over 70 letters but in a later section there are entire paragraphs about which script can be considered the longest and Khmer isn’t named. This is clearly inconsistent. 80.112.162.82 ( talk) 21:36, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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The Ugaritic writing system is a cuneiform abjad (consonantal alphabet) used from around either the fifteenth century BCE[1] or 1300 BCE[2] for Ugaritic, an extinct Northwest Semitic language, and discovered in Ugarit (modern Ras Al Shamra), Syria, in 1928. It has 30 letters. Other languages (particularly Hurrian) were occasionally written in the Ugaritic script in the area around Ugarit, although not elsewhere. and considered the oldest known alphabet 185.95.160.72 ( talk) 23:55, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
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Is it just me, or has some moron changed all the 6s into bs? They also seem to have done away with capital Bs, and there is no link to Z at the bottom of the page, instead another A... Gee Eight 19:12 UTC 16 March 2006
I would find it hard to support the statement that the letters of the alphabet represent (or approximate) phonemes. In English, due to its historical development, this is hardly the case. There are, supposedly, at least seven phonemes represented by "gh." In Italian, this statement has more validity.
The language ends up being very far from phonetic, but it's evidently organized on such principles. The letters generally have one or two primary sounds associated with them, so that when we see a new word we can usually guess about how it sounds, or transcribe foreign words into English. There are exceptions a lot of the time, but they are still the exceptions rather than the rule, I'd say. Maybe the best way to sum it up is: English is written with the Roman alphabet. ;)
PS - a quick search finds /g/ as in ghost, /gh/ as in doghouse, /f/ as in enough, /p/ as in hiccough, /w/ as in plough, /h/ as in Callaghan, and if you accept them, /k/ as in lough, /θ/ as in Keighley. Also it can show up as part of /ng/ or /ngh/ or as //, as in light. Tolkien used it to represent /γ/, but he was clearly being ridiculous.
Someone should add something here about George Bernhard Shaws alphabet proposals.----Are we referring to the "Fresh Fish" spelling item?
Isn't it just George Bernard Shaw, without an h? - Mel.
Question: Anybody know what this alphabet is called, and if it's already included:
A Alpha B Bravo C Charlie D Delta E Echo F Foxtrot
Answer: Nato phonetic alphabet. It is a so-called "phonetic" alphabet, not to be confused with the IPA. There are various "phonetic" alphabets of that kind. See http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/able.html for a few. -- Stephen Gilbert
I don't think Tolkien was being that ridiculous when choosing "gh" to represent the voiced "kh" or the fricative of "g". A couple other languages do that. Besides, it fits: k voices to g; kh voices to gh. I was kidding - I think it is completely reasonable, far more so than any of the actual options except g+h.
If syllabaries cannot have parallelism between sound and symbol (otherwise they would be called abugidas), can alphabets have parallelism between sound and symbol (such as a predictable mutation of the symbol from stop to fricative to nasal to semivowel or from voiced to voiceless)? -- Damian Yerrick
Can hiragana and katakana be called an alphabet? There are some usages such as the kyo as in Tokyo which is used like an alphabet instead of syllable.
There are lots more alphabets remaining on the Unicode consortium list that could be added to the link farm at the end of this article -- The Anome
The examples in 'collating order' seem to be broken - shouldn't there be a few more characters in the examples than I can see?
-- The Anome
It appears the user 216.250.162.xxx's software has inserted a load of extra whitespace throughout the article -- I have edited it back out. The Anome
How about mentioning the Phoenicians? Their name was adopted for the word "phonetic" and other similar words, much like "alpha" and "beta" for "alphabet".
Also, why is the alphabet ordered "abcdefg..." and not "etoani..." or some other arrangement? From what I have read, the symbols were associated with objects. For instance, A is upsidedown from the original Phoenician symbol which was a line drawing of an ox's head, B ("beta" in Greek, "beth" in Phoenician) was for "house", C came from "gimel" which is "camel" and is a line drawing of a camel's head (Greek letter "Gamma"), and D is for "door", as in the triangular shaped door of a tent (Greek letter "Delta"), and so on. These symbols were grouped according to subject matter presumably to make memorization of the alphabet easier. The first group is for domestic objects. Other groups concerned travel, especially on the sea, or monetary ideas, for some 5(?) groups in all. (Don't recall how many groups and what categories they were.)
Is there a 'family tree' of alphabets available somewhere? I'd like to see a graph of which alphabet is derived from which. -- Kimiko 22:10, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
The following from this article seems to me erroneous, or at least incomplete:
A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z
"Modern variations from the alphabet used by the Romans" include Norwegian (30 characters), Italian (22 characters), Spanish (29 characters), etc. And, for that matter, I'm pretty sure, the actual "Latin" alphabet had no J, no U, no Y, no Z. Every single article on a character uses this phrase Latin alphabet, but this is nothing but the English alphabet. Ortolan88 03:41, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Fair point, but easily corrected. - Mustafaa 04:55, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Sorry, that was my mistake. It's a thin space. I was probably still holding the shift key down when I hit the space bar—my keyboard layout has that character for shift+space—and didn't notice the mistake in preview. — Gwalla | Talk 19:43, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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What about Hangul? Why isn't it included "other alphabet" things?
Cbdorsett, you keep trying to say that the Khmer alphabet is the largest in the world. It's hard for me to see that, no matter how I count. Please justify your claim here, so we all know what you mean. kwami 04:35, 2005 Jun 3 (UTC)
The article uses "alphabet" in two senses: one that includes e.g. abjads like Arabic, and one that requires explicit vowels. At Harakat i've invented some wording to work around that ambiguity, but this article needs mention something more than such original research as an accepted means of making the distinction. (And, uh, needs to use it in the lead.) -- Jerzy (t) 17:15, 2005 Mar 25 (UTC)
The article currently claims Additional letters may be formed as ligatures, ... eszett ß from SS, .... It is true that many German-speaking people today consider the letter eszett and double-esses to be interchangeable. But from the shape of the letter, and from it's name(s) ("eszett" in German, "szlig" ß in the HTML entities list http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/entities.html), it seems obvious to me that it is a ligature of "sz". -- DavidCary 3 July 2005 13:42 (UTC)
I have recast this section more along the lines of a hypothesis, rather than something widely accepted as fact- unless anyone can demonstrate that this is accepted as rote by academics in the field. I had not previously been familiar with this theory, which at first glance read like something dated and Eurocentric in outlook (though Logan himself apparently takes some pains to deny the Eurocentrism charge, and the implication that Western achievements are superior to non-Western). A quick skim through one of the texts quoted (for some reason, available online in full here) reveals a few egrarious errors (perhaps casually made, not necessarily fatal to the thesis) such as The Mesoamerican writing system, only four hundred years old at the time the conquistadors arrived in the sixteenth century, is thought to have never evolved beyond its original pictographic/ideographic stage(p.9), and generalisations like It is a fact, however, that Chinese thinking is considerably more concrete and practical and less abstract than Western thought which has been one of the factors that allowed it to contribute as much to world culture as it has...(p.43) which seem to be challengeable to me. I have no objection at all to this theory being documented here, but the content could probably be updated to reflect more precisely what is claimed, and in addition annotate any academic criticisms. Does anyone know of any such critiques? -- cjllw | TALK 02:30, 2005 July 26 (UTC)
kwami, I agree with you on every point. The theory as originally presented here seemed manifestly wrong-headed, and in researching Logan's work just now I still find it very unconvincing (although the actual claims made by Logan & his mentor McLuhan are more subtle and less black'n'white than its summary given here). The base idea seems to stem from Innis & McLuhan's theories that the medium of communication has an active (not just passive) contributary part towards the shaping of perception and thought processes ("the medium is the message"). Actually I don't doubt this is true to an extent, but I do doubt that the magnitude and scope of this influence could ever be reliably demonstrated, in isolation from the many other influences. Logan seems to then extend this pop analysis to award alphabetic systems a starring role in the formation of Western thought (whatever that is), alongside codified law, monotheism, abstract science, and deductive logic. His comparisons with non-Western (principally Chinese) "systems of thought" are based on gross generalisations, and omission of contrary views (such as the neat counterexample you have provided, the Hammurabai code). Amusingly, when explaining the result of studies which show that it takes no longer for a child to learn to write in Chinese systems (with many characters to learn) than it does a child to write in an alphabetic system (with few), he claims that this is because Western children are also learning "...the intellectual by-products of the alphabet, such as abstraction, analysis, rationality, and classification" - by implication, Chinese children do not (?!).
I should like to find some notable source which refutes these and other claims, even though their very enunciation should be enough to flag them as ill-formulated and incapable of being demonstrated. -- cjllw | TALK 06:51, 2005 July 26 (UTC)
I changed a line in the Spelling section about the Italian language since it said a wrong fact: that there's no word for "to spell" in Italian . There actually is one, "compitare", but for the reason explained in the text , no one seem to know it :) This is the new sentence: The Italian language verb corresponding to 'spell', compitare is unbeknown to many Italians because the act of spelling itself is almost never nedeed: a correct pronunciation exactly corresponds to a correct orthography.
Please check if this change is ok. Bye, Gabriele (at its first contribution to wikipedia ^_^)
Hi, i'm new to wikipedia, i hope i can be of help. i have added this article to my watchlist and i have been looking at the last changes made by User:Kwamikagami. They all look nice, but I don't thinks only this one looks better as it was before.
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When written in Devanagari, Vedic Sanskrit has an alphabet of 53 letters, including the visarga mark for final aspiration and special letters for kš and jñ, though one of the letters is theoretical and not actually used.
When written in Devanagari, Vedic Sanskrit has an alphabet of 53 letters, including the visarga mark for final aspiration and special letters for kš and jñ, though one of the long els is theoretical and not actually used
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-- Cacuija 02:48, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Considering it is almost always a cluster of k and s when it's not denoting a greek Z sound.-- 220.238.238.21 12:58, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
-- 220.238.238.21 05:05, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
I am proposing changes to this page. The beginning days Alphabet originated with Phoenicians and Greeks, then in the History section it says it originated with Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphics.
There is contradiction there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ameninhat ( talk • contribs) 20:18, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Will do! But there is still a huge contradiction in where the Alphabet originated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ameninhat ( talk • contribs) 20:55, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
I thought the alphabet was invented by the Sumerians. 165.120.146.80 ( talk) 01:13, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
My point exactly! Origin of Alphabet is not clearly and factually established. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ameninhat ( talk • contribs) 20:58, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Sumerians used Cuneiform from Hieroglyphs. This is from where the concept Proto Canaanite and Proto Sinai came. Champollion could not have transliterated and translated the Rosetta Stone without Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphs having phonemic value and order — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ameninhat ( talk • contribs) 14:01, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
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An article on the alphabet should include a list of the letters, in order. There is none. 72.228.150.222 ( talk) 16:05, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
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Add another line at the top to say "For alphabet INC. see /info/en/?search=Alphabet_Inc. Pigyface25 ( talk) 15:11, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
The section Types has a figure labelled Predominant national and selected regional or minority scripts with a map that has a minor, "easily fixable" error.
The map shows Canadian syllabics only in Nunavut. In fact, Nunavik and most of northern Québec including Eeyou Istchee, Nitassinan and the Naskapi country of St'aschinuw. This script is also used across much of Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and even Alberta, BC and the Northwest Territories in Nishnawbe Aski Nation, other Cree and Anishinaabe countries and in parts of Denendeh. Even if that figure only considers national/regional "official" uses, it should definitely include the Northwest Territories as multiple syllabic-using languages are official languages of the territory.
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The first paragraph has one beginning parenthesis ( and two ending parentheses ) Please remove the second ), the one that appears at the end of the paragraph. 208.95.49.53 ( talk) 20:28, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
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The following text in the first sentence of the second paragraph of the introduction should be changed to that which follows it below:
This will replace the erroneous link to Proto-Canaanite—effectively a disambiguation page—with a corrected link to the intended target, Proto-Sinaitic script, without affecting the text displayed.
Thank you. 104.246.217.137 ( talk) 14:59, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
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36.37.207.90 ( talk) 03:08, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a
reliable source if appropriate.
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See this. I'm sure many people think wrongly of, say a Chinese alphabet. comp.arch ( talk) 11:16, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
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Mark Sentence 1+2 as "need citation", as they make additional distinctions on what can be considered an alphabet beyond any definition I can find in a dictionary. 68.59.52.84 ( talk) 12:07, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
For now, change:
An alphabet is a standardized set of basic written symbols or graphemes (called letters) that represent the phonemes of certain spoken languages.
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An alphabet is a standardized set of basic written symbols or graphemes (called letters) that represent the phonemes of certain spoken languages. citation needed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.59.52.84 ( talk) 18:37, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
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Why this page is full with lies and is protected ? so nobody cant fix and remove the lies ? The people who did this page have to come out with thier faces, names and home addresses, so they can receive pay back for the criminal actions they did on this page! Is not fear to put lies, block them from edit and wait to brain wash the people ! The content of this page is not true with the reality so must be removed from wikipedia ! Aladin ( talk) 22:08, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
There is a line with a source that says the Khmer alphabet is the longest with over 70 letters but in a later section there are entire paragraphs about which script can be considered the longest and Khmer isn’t named. This is clearly inconsistent. 80.112.162.82 ( talk) 21:36, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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The Ugaritic writing system is a cuneiform abjad (consonantal alphabet) used from around either the fifteenth century BCE[1] or 1300 BCE[2] for Ugaritic, an extinct Northwest Semitic language, and discovered in Ugarit (modern Ras Al Shamra), Syria, in 1928. It has 30 letters. Other languages (particularly Hurrian) were occasionally written in the Ugaritic script in the area around Ugarit, although not elsewhere. and considered the oldest known alphabet 185.95.160.72 ( talk) 23:55, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
The current lede, rendered as "An alphabet is a standardized set of basic written symbols or graphemes (called letters) that represent the phonemes of certain spoken languages", departs considerably from the cited source material. Problems include:
A better representation might be, "An alphabet is a standardized set
script of basic written
symbols or
graphemes (called
letters)
graphemes or
letters that represent the
phonemes of certain
spoken languages."
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