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A new category for Wikipedians in Alpha Phi Omega has been created to allow individual members of Alpha Phi Omega to identify themselves on their personal talk pages, in order to enhance communication among those brothers that contribute to wikipedia. To add yourself to the category, click on the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_in_Alpha_Phi_Omega or the link at the bottom of the page and follow the instructions at the top of that page. Dr. Cash 20:34, 12 September 2005 (UTC) and Naraht 02:44, 13 September 2005 (UTC) (we should probably just turn this into instructions without a who made it.
None of the abbreviations (APO, APhiO, APhiQ, APhiQue, AFW) is actually official with the National Fraternity. While APO is most used, both APhiO and APhiQ/APhiQue are both used by subsets of the active recognized chapters. Howard University's chapter (Zeta Phi) uses APhiQ and is certainly a recognized visited chapter.
AFW, OTOH, as an abbreviation is an artifact of the common symbol font representing Phi as F (which isn't too bad) and Omega as W (which is horrendous). The only reason that it is there is a brother who contributed to wikipedia said there was a survey at the National Convention that asked "What abbreviation does your chapter use?" which had AFW as a choice. Not sure why.
Naraht 16:40, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
I have the Convention Lightbearer issues that had the 'survey results' that included AFW. I took it to be a joke. My experience is that APO and APhiO are both commonly used. Most seem to use APO in writing, but APhiO in speaking. (I write APO, but say 'APhiO'.) It seems a regional thing with APO vs. APhiO. As noted, APQ is used amoung HBCU Chapters, and non-Brothers who come from that tradition. --emb021
Is our claim to be the largest Fraternity based on the addition of the approximately half a million brothers in APO-Phil or not? Also, in my opinion, the count of 350 chapters needs to be proceded by the the caveat of in the US, since there are about 150 chapters in APO-Phil, any suggestions here?
Naraht 09:03, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
AFAIK, our claim of being the largest is based on our US numbers. APO-USA has more chapters and more alumni then any other GLO. --emb021
Yeep. I was kinda startled to see my name in a heading. All my edits did was to make the grammar work. Before them, it was a sentence fragment and unclear. The veracity of the information is something that I've been told is true for years. And I've not heard of any other organization claiming the title. - Bornyesterday 19:28, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
Actually, if you google for "Largest Fraternity", Sigma Phi Epsilon comes up fairly often. We do have more charters than they do. Not sure on active chapters, active brothers or total brothers. Naraht 00:04, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
I added a brief comment about the BoD's ruling about all-male chapters in the appropriate section. I felt that it was proper to at least give some notice of the fact that there are all-male chapters is under heavy scrutiny at this time. It may or may not playout so that they have to go coed, but it seems to me that their current status is questionable, and we need to accurately represent that aspect. Bornyesterday 16:41, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
I sent to the Section 45 chair and the Region VII director asking whether Dillard is all-male. I'm pretty sure it reactivated post 1986, which means it should be co-ed, but I don't know what's going on there. Naraht 09:09, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
This is the Region VII Director. I have never received any communication from Naraht. If you have questions about chapters in Region VII, email me at region.7.director@apo.org.
After talking it over on email with the Regional Director for the region that includes Wabash College and another APhiO Wikipedian, the concensus among the three of us is to delete Wabash from the list of all-male chapters. This is done in co-ordination with changing the description of the table to include only those chapters at co-education institutions. I know that this deletion has happened a couple of times anonymously, but I think this represents a decision that we can work with. Please post here if you have objections to this change. Naraht 18:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
At the NVC this past weekend, I had an interesting discussion with the Region VII Director, who talked about Sigma Pi Chapter at Prairie View A&M. She said that the chapter had just initiated their first female member (affectionately referred to as the, "first lady.") and as such is no longer an all-male chapter. Dr. Cash 17:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Lamar got added back into the list of all-male chapters. I know they have been all-male in the relatively recent past (2002?) Anyone got any idea if they still are? If it is, then we need to rebalance the two columns since the first is now two schools longer.
The school Handbook for 2006-2007 lists them as clearly being open to both men and women. Given that, I don't think it's deletion is out of line. I'd like to have more solid proof, but for now... Naraht 01:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I didn't assume that those without pages were not worthy, however; those contributors adding the persons name can add the person's page even if its only a stub. My thinking was that this is an article and should contain the list of every member which would eventually overpower. But the heading is notable, and if the person has done something noteworthy, why can't a page be added with such noteworthy info. I have no problem with it reverting back. Ccson 19:25, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
For Alpha Phi Omega, it may not work, but I don't think the concept is that bad for Wikipedia... Naraht 14:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
So the current list (as of 10 Mar 2006) of 16 PGs is
Right?
This does lead to the question of how accurate the counts of petitioning groups (and interest groups?) need to be on the page. Do any of the social greeks update more than once a semester? Naraht 21:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
PG Change
Current count 17.
PG Change
Current Count 16. Current chapter count 364 (including TCNJ) Naraht 02:43, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
List at beginning of 2006-2007 school year. Current Count 19: (362 active chapters)
In some ways an odd distribution, one each in regions I-III, none in regions VII-X, three in XI and V, 4 in VI and 6 in IV. And I think about half are within 150 miles of Interstate 75. (Count of IG by region: 1,0,1,1,0,1,2,1,1,0,0) Naraht 02:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Not sure of the chapters that were lost over the summer (taking us from 364 to 362).
all have dates of inactivity in the Perpetual Inventory of 2006.
Updated PG list.
List as of 16 Nov 2006
Changes to the list at the beginning of the year
Chartered: Grand Valley St. U (53) Husson College (94) U of Alaska Anchorage (8) U of Alaska SE (Juneau) (8)
No longer recognized Florida International U (74) Western Carolina U (79)
Additional Group Oakland University (55)
Current count 14.
According to the APO National Office, Western Carolina was removed because it will recharter Decmber 9,2006. Readding in for now.
--- OK, Current PG list is nine:
and the IG list is eight
Naraht 15:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Add Tarrant County College - Southeast to the PGs & remove from the IGs. Add New Jersey Institute of Technology to the IGs. Naraht 03:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
70.33.133.48 This IP address is in Maine and for someone using Adelphia Communications
209.71.38.36 This IP address is for someone using the Albert Einstein Healthcare Network, which is based in Philadelphia.
70.33.129.187 This IP address is in Maine and for someone using Adelphia Communications
130.111.175.232 This IP address is in the Wireless Network at University of Maine in Orono.
130.111.178.24 This IP address is in the Network at University of Maine in Orono.
List contributed to by Naraht
This individual was recently added/removed from the list. Now, if he's not actually an honorary member, that's good. But if he did become a national honorary member, there's gotta be something to him, right? Does anyone know his story? Being the "first chief scout executive" of the BS-philippines, as he was originally added, sounds like a much bigger deal than being the first student at a school (next edit) or simply a student at a school (next edit). As this addition and subsequent edits were all done by the same IP address, I'm even more confused. Perhaps, since they were the only edits by this IP, it was simply a new user test? I didn't find anything on google about a "mark gamboa," for what it's worth. — vijay 12:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Wow, I didn't even notice the copy/paste. Yeah, vandal. Please, be protective! Vandals suck. — vijay 05:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I've created {{user aphio}} from the phi kappa theta user template. There are three places where colors are used, bordering the image, around the text part of the box and the "This user is". I have used yellow, blue and blue respectively, but other combinations may be better. Naraht 14:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Just as an FYI, the Alpha Phi Alpha article is today's featured article for July 25, 2006. Reviewing it might offer some of our editors some guidelines on how to improve the APO article. Dr. Cash 01:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
While the lists of notable alumni & honorary members are notable, they are getting a bit long, to the point where a significant amount of the article about Alpha Phi Omega is just a list of notable alumni & honorary members. In accordance with Wikipedia's list guidelines, it might be a good idea to separate these out into a separate article or two, linked via a 'see also' section. Any thoughts? Dr. Cash 18:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I have moved the notable alumni & honorary members to List of Notable Alpha Phi Omega Members, which is linked from this article in the new 'see also' section. I also merged the ICAPO & Philippines sections into the 'organization' section, since it really does deal with the organization of APO at the international level. So this should make that section a bit less U.S.-centric, as well as adding a bit of a 'buffer' between the top of the article and the all-male chapters section,... ;-) Dr. Cash 21:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
This was added in late July 2006 by a non-registered user. Any idea who this is? Only other mention I can find is where the name was added to the disambiguation list for Luna (Which I am also reverting). (unsigned comment left by Naraht -oops)
Dr. Cyril Wecht is an alumnus of Beta chapter at U of Pittsburgh. Could people take a look at his page and at [2] and let me know if we should add him to the Notable Alumni list? Naraht 14:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I've added the new Secretary of Defense nominee, Robert Gates, to the list of notable alumni. In addition to being the nominee, he's also the President of Texas A&M University and the former director of the CIA, both of which are notable for being added to the list. Dr. Cash 17:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
A new category for Wikipedians in Alpha Phi Omega has been created to allow individual members of Alpha Phi Omega to identify themselves on their personal talk pages, in order to enhance communication among those brothers that contribute to wikipedia. To add yourself to the category, click on the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_in_Alpha_Phi_Omega or the link at the bottom of the page and follow the instructions at the top of that page. Dr. Cash 20:34, 12 September 2005 (UTC) and Naraht 02:44, 13 September 2005 (UTC) (we should probably just turn this into instructions without a who made it.
None of the abbreviations (APO, APhiO, APhiQ, APhiQue, AFW) is actually official with the National Fraternity. While APO is most used, both APhiO and APhiQ/APhiQue are both used by subsets of the active recognized chapters. Howard University's chapter (Zeta Phi) uses APhiQ and is certainly a recognized visited chapter.
AFW, OTOH, as an abbreviation is an artifact of the common symbol font representing Phi as F (which isn't too bad) and Omega as W (which is horrendous). The only reason that it is there is a brother who contributed to wikipedia said there was a survey at the National Convention that asked "What abbreviation does your chapter use?" which had AFW as a choice. Not sure why.
Naraht 16:40, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
I have the Convention Lightbearer issues that had the 'survey results' that included AFW. I took it to be a joke. My experience is that APO and APhiO are both commonly used. Most seem to use APO in writing, but APhiO in speaking. (I write APO, but say 'APhiO'.) It seems a regional thing with APO vs. APhiO. As noted, APQ is used amoung HBCU Chapters, and non-Brothers who come from that tradition. --emb021
Is our claim to be the largest Fraternity based on the addition of the approximately half a million brothers in APO-Phil or not? Also, in my opinion, the count of 350 chapters needs to be proceded by the the caveat of in the US, since there are about 150 chapters in APO-Phil, any suggestions here?
Naraht 09:03, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
AFAIK, our claim of being the largest is based on our US numbers. APO-USA has more chapters and more alumni then any other GLO. --emb021
Yeep. I was kinda startled to see my name in a heading. All my edits did was to make the grammar work. Before them, it was a sentence fragment and unclear. The veracity of the information is something that I've been told is true for years. And I've not heard of any other organization claiming the title. - Bornyesterday 19:28, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
Actually, if you google for "Largest Fraternity", Sigma Phi Epsilon comes up fairly often. We do have more charters than they do. Not sure on active chapters, active brothers or total brothers. Naraht 00:04, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
I added a brief comment about the BoD's ruling about all-male chapters in the appropriate section. I felt that it was proper to at least give some notice of the fact that there are all-male chapters is under heavy scrutiny at this time. It may or may not playout so that they have to go coed, but it seems to me that their current status is questionable, and we need to accurately represent that aspect. Bornyesterday 16:41, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
I sent to the Section 45 chair and the Region VII director asking whether Dillard is all-male. I'm pretty sure it reactivated post 1986, which means it should be co-ed, but I don't know what's going on there. Naraht 09:09, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
This is the Region VII Director. I have never received any communication from Naraht. If you have questions about chapters in Region VII, email me at region.7.director@apo.org.
After talking it over on email with the Regional Director for the region that includes Wabash College and another APhiO Wikipedian, the concensus among the three of us is to delete Wabash from the list of all-male chapters. This is done in co-ordination with changing the description of the table to include only those chapters at co-education institutions. I know that this deletion has happened a couple of times anonymously, but I think this represents a decision that we can work with. Please post here if you have objections to this change. Naraht 18:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
At the NVC this past weekend, I had an interesting discussion with the Region VII Director, who talked about Sigma Pi Chapter at Prairie View A&M. She said that the chapter had just initiated their first female member (affectionately referred to as the, "first lady.") and as such is no longer an all-male chapter. Dr. Cash 17:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Lamar got added back into the list of all-male chapters. I know they have been all-male in the relatively recent past (2002?) Anyone got any idea if they still are? If it is, then we need to rebalance the two columns since the first is now two schools longer.
The school Handbook for 2006-2007 lists them as clearly being open to both men and women. Given that, I don't think it's deletion is out of line. I'd like to have more solid proof, but for now... Naraht 01:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I didn't assume that those without pages were not worthy, however; those contributors adding the persons name can add the person's page even if its only a stub. My thinking was that this is an article and should contain the list of every member which would eventually overpower. But the heading is notable, and if the person has done something noteworthy, why can't a page be added with such noteworthy info. I have no problem with it reverting back. Ccson 19:25, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
For Alpha Phi Omega, it may not work, but I don't think the concept is that bad for Wikipedia... Naraht 14:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
So the current list (as of 10 Mar 2006) of 16 PGs is
Right?
This does lead to the question of how accurate the counts of petitioning groups (and interest groups?) need to be on the page. Do any of the social greeks update more than once a semester? Naraht 21:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
PG Change
Current count 17.
PG Change
Current Count 16. Current chapter count 364 (including TCNJ) Naraht 02:43, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
List at beginning of 2006-2007 school year. Current Count 19: (362 active chapters)
In some ways an odd distribution, one each in regions I-III, none in regions VII-X, three in XI and V, 4 in VI and 6 in IV. And I think about half are within 150 miles of Interstate 75. (Count of IG by region: 1,0,1,1,0,1,2,1,1,0,0) Naraht 02:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Not sure of the chapters that were lost over the summer (taking us from 364 to 362).
all have dates of inactivity in the Perpetual Inventory of 2006.
Updated PG list.
List as of 16 Nov 2006
Changes to the list at the beginning of the year
Chartered: Grand Valley St. U (53) Husson College (94) U of Alaska Anchorage (8) U of Alaska SE (Juneau) (8)
No longer recognized Florida International U (74) Western Carolina U (79)
Additional Group Oakland University (55)
Current count 14.
According to the APO National Office, Western Carolina was removed because it will recharter Decmber 9,2006. Readding in for now.
--- OK, Current PG list is nine:
and the IG list is eight
Naraht 15:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Add Tarrant County College - Southeast to the PGs & remove from the IGs. Add New Jersey Institute of Technology to the IGs. Naraht 03:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
70.33.133.48 This IP address is in Maine and for someone using Adelphia Communications
209.71.38.36 This IP address is for someone using the Albert Einstein Healthcare Network, which is based in Philadelphia.
70.33.129.187 This IP address is in Maine and for someone using Adelphia Communications
130.111.175.232 This IP address is in the Wireless Network at University of Maine in Orono.
130.111.178.24 This IP address is in the Network at University of Maine in Orono.
List contributed to by Naraht
This individual was recently added/removed from the list. Now, if he's not actually an honorary member, that's good. But if he did become a national honorary member, there's gotta be something to him, right? Does anyone know his story? Being the "first chief scout executive" of the BS-philippines, as he was originally added, sounds like a much bigger deal than being the first student at a school (next edit) or simply a student at a school (next edit). As this addition and subsequent edits were all done by the same IP address, I'm even more confused. Perhaps, since they were the only edits by this IP, it was simply a new user test? I didn't find anything on google about a "mark gamboa," for what it's worth. — vijay 12:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Wow, I didn't even notice the copy/paste. Yeah, vandal. Please, be protective! Vandals suck. — vijay 05:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I've created {{user aphio}} from the phi kappa theta user template. There are three places where colors are used, bordering the image, around the text part of the box and the "This user is". I have used yellow, blue and blue respectively, but other combinations may be better. Naraht 14:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Just as an FYI, the Alpha Phi Alpha article is today's featured article for July 25, 2006. Reviewing it might offer some of our editors some guidelines on how to improve the APO article. Dr. Cash 01:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
While the lists of notable alumni & honorary members are notable, they are getting a bit long, to the point where a significant amount of the article about Alpha Phi Omega is just a list of notable alumni & honorary members. In accordance with Wikipedia's list guidelines, it might be a good idea to separate these out into a separate article or two, linked via a 'see also' section. Any thoughts? Dr. Cash 18:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I have moved the notable alumni & honorary members to List of Notable Alpha Phi Omega Members, which is linked from this article in the new 'see also' section. I also merged the ICAPO & Philippines sections into the 'organization' section, since it really does deal with the organization of APO at the international level. So this should make that section a bit less U.S.-centric, as well as adding a bit of a 'buffer' between the top of the article and the all-male chapters section,... ;-) Dr. Cash 21:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
This was added in late July 2006 by a non-registered user. Any idea who this is? Only other mention I can find is where the name was added to the disambiguation list for Luna (Which I am also reverting). (unsigned comment left by Naraht -oops)
Dr. Cyril Wecht is an alumnus of Beta chapter at U of Pittsburgh. Could people take a look at his page and at [2] and let me know if we should add him to the Notable Alumni list? Naraht 14:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I've added the new Secretary of Defense nominee, Robert Gates, to the list of notable alumni. In addition to being the nominee, he's also the President of Texas A&M University and the former director of the CIA, both of which are notable for being added to the list. Dr. Cash 17:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)