Notable Alumni has been put in the correct format as seen here [ [1]] in the notable members list. Changes that still need to be made: Put in Chapter (instead of displaying university) with link to university as shown in example. also, references need to be added. what's with the year date is that their graduation date? and eventually the chapter list needs to be converted as well. misterdan ( talk) 16:44, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I attended parties at an AEPi house while in college and my friends in the house used to say that Jimmy Brown, the great Syracuse running back, was a brother. If this isn't true it is quite a surprise, as I heard it from several sources. If it is true, why isn't he listed? 65.79.173.135 ( talk) 18:59, 9 November 2010 (UTC)Will in New Haven 65.79.173.135 ( talk) 18:59, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Can someone please explain the significance of the asterisks? They seem to mean nothing here. Beginning 20:56, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
(I guess it took a year for your answer!) My assumption would be that they are inactive or "dead" chapters. To confirm that, I did searches on the web sites of three of those schools (VCU, Richmond, ODU) that I didn't think had chapters. Sure enough, none of them listed an AEPi chapter. -- BDD 13:19, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
The asterisks are indeed inactive chapters. That can be confirmed by going to www.aepi.org and you will see the same asterisks next to the same schools with a note saying that those are inactive chapters.
It's just funny how a Jewish frat uses Latin acronyms. Rome WAS responcible for the destruction of the Second Temple, killing more than 2 mil Jews during the three large uprisings, and staring the diaspora. Not that I hold a grudge ;)
...just irnonic though.
(Well, I don't think AEPi would quite fit in with other frats if we named ourselves saomething like "Aleph Ein Peh."
-Sneaker.
...you do know it's Greek, not Latin, right? Adam Schloss 04:13, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
...you know its responisble, not responsible, right?
We shoulda been אהפ (Hay is the equivilent of Epsilon fyi), and so what if we wouldn't fit in? We're Jews! We don't fit in anyway, plus we'd join the elite group of frats without greek names like farmhouse (but we'd be cool cause Farmhouse is a kinda silly name for a frat). SF2K1
First – this discussion has no bearing, as you can’t change the name of the fraternity on the Wikipedia page, just because you think it’s ‘ironic’ based on your extremely limited understanding of Jewish History. Second – Actually, your argument has no basis, because in the Gemara, Rashi on Yeshayahu 19:18 writes that the Greek alphabet is the only other alphabet than Hebrew that a kosher Sefer Torah can be written in. So according to Rabbinic Law, Greek is the 2nd most appropriate language of the Jews (Grouping all Hebrew script languages together: Hebrew, Aramaic, Yiddish). - SH —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.16.104.184 ( talk) 14:02, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
It looks to me like just about the entire article has been lifted from the history page at the AEPi website. Course of action? - Joshuapaquin 04:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
who cares - it's not negative and AEPi hasn't said much, so it's ok under copyright law.
-sneaker.
I don't know what you're talking about. I wrote the bulk of the history section, and I summarized the information from the website and from other sources. That is historical fact, and since I rewrote that, there is no copyright violation. As for the mission statement, that does appear to be lifted directly from AEPi. However, that section is not a subjective desription - it is reporting on the actual publicly available mission statement. This is akin to quoting from a speech made by a public figure. SSherris 22:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
For anyone who happens to be a brother of AEPi, I've made a Userbox you can put on your user page.
Just put {{ User:UBX/aepi}} on your userpage, and
ΑΕΠ | This user is a brother of the Alpha Epsilon Pi Fraternity. |
will show up and automatically put you in the "Wikipedians in Alpha Epsilon Pi" Category -- pm_shef 00:06, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I know for a fact that Sigma Alpha Mu has an active chapter at McGill in Montreal, Canada as well as numerous ones in the US. The Mcgill chapter just got activated this year, but im not sure that AEPi's claim is true anymore.
Sammy is not a Jewish fraternity anymore. It hasn't been since the vietnam Era when AEPi was the only fraternity to insist on only allowing Jewish members, which is why it has a 99% Jewish percentage of it's fraternal population. SF2K1
Is AEPi REALLY Jewish, or is it required by nondiscrimination, etc. laws to admit anyone regardless of faith, race, ethnicity, etc.? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]]).
fraternal organizations are also exempted from some non-discrimination law, be they the free-masons or college fraternities.
Fraternities are legally allowed to admit or deny admission to anyone they want so it isn't a matter of law. The policy of AEPi is that it does not discriminate solely on the basis of religion, however if a non-Jew desires admission they must be seeking it in order to comply with AEPi's mision statement of creating Jewish leaders, so this is rarely the case. There are chapters where this policy is less strictly adhered to, but AEPi is in fact the ONLY "real Jewish fraternity"
Its been a while since I've been to a AEPi conference on rush, but in '05 we were told that if a gentile asks for a bid, we better have a reason besides religion for why we're not giving him one. We can try and fight this bid by telling the potential pledge that this is a Jewish fraternity, and put an emphasis on the Jewish part, but it still relies on the potential pledge changing his mind. Again, this is from memory. I don't know anywhere that this can be cited from, so don't take it as the official ruling. Jklharris 23:25, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
OK - What's up with the "unofficial" blogs? 2 is OK, but we're going to end up with 2,000 blogs from AEPis and AEPi alums if there isn't some better standard. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SSherris ( talk • contribs).
While defunct chapters have been noted with an asterik, some listed chapters, notably the "colonies" are not officially recognized. IMHO it is irresponsible to list those which either AEPi national, or local instituions do not officially recognize. —The preceding unsigned comment was added 19:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC).
I live on the Guelph campus and I am an AEPi brother. The school has not recognized either AEPi or DU as affiliated with the school but we both a presense on the campus and organize events together at times. Although both frats are new we are growing larger each year. AEPi does have contact with many other chapters with Canada and the USA and we go on road trips to other chapters who recognize us and allow us to stay there. Removing us from this list is wrong so keep the colony on the page until our request for chapter status has cleared.
- AEPi brother @ Guelph
Owning to our particular and special mission statement, AEPi will frequently recognize chapters that are not recognized locally by the schools they exist at. Guelph (as shown above) is a perfect example. Another key example was Georgetown where we were the first greek organization at the school where none were recognized. They are REAL AEPi chapters and deserve recognition in the chapter list. The best list to go by at any given time would be the chapter roll on the official aepi website www.aepi.org -AEPi Educational Leadership Consultant (International organization employee)
If you choose not to just link the list back to the AEPi website (which is usually pretty current with active chapters and colonies), then just leave the list as it stands. Defunct chapters should still be recognized because they did have alumni... and they still contributed to the nature of the fraternity as it is now. Similarly, as mentioned above, some schools choose not to recognize fraternities officially, despite them being viable, good organizations. To ignore "unrecognized" chapters (or even colonies) or failed attempts at colonization (eg, Dartmouth) is unfair to all our brothers. Keep them. 71.234.109.192 22:10, 5 October 2007 (UTC)rhetoric
It should be noted that not all chapters send their philantrophic donations to the Holocaust museum... My chapter, for example, contributes to Magen David Adom, the ambulance corps in Israel... 71.234.109.192 22:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)rhetoric
This is not true. My chapter sends it to the American Cancer Society —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.130.176.100 ( talk) 21:58, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
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I'm fairly sure the AEPi coat of arms cannot be blazoned as it is emblazoned (depicted) here. I've never seen a coat-of-arms like this. Can anyone provide a blazon? If you can, it would be a valuable addition to the article. — gogobera ( talk) 03:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Over the last few months, several IP users have been removing the two fraternity house pictures on here. I keep reverting this change. Is there anyone out there who wants to own up to deleting them, and wants to explain the change? If so, please post below. Thanks. -- Mblumber ( talk) 03:56, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
It appears that a recent edit about Alpha Epsilon Pi being the name of a defunct local sorority at Moravian college is factually accurate. I don't like the current treatment however; in a perfect world we could handle it as a disambiguation, but there's never going to be a page for the other organization. Thoughts? -- Mblumber ( talk) 13:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
This person is not listed on the AEPi international notable alumni list or on the Delta Rho chapter alumni list. Since there's no evidence that he is a member, I'll delete him. -- Mblumber ( talk) 16:52, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
There's a new webpage posted at www.aepi.org. Much of the pages are still under construction. Once all the content is uploaded, someone should fix the remainder of the dead links in this article. -- Mblumber ( talk) 03:04, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
The AEPi article, like other Wikipedia articles about national fraternities and sororities is a summary article. It is an overview, not meant to be a compendium of every historical item from every chapter. Thus, if it were up to me, I'd remove most of the "he said/she said" complaints from all of these articles.
These "Controversies" sections seem, to me, to be misnamed. There is nothing controversial about a hazing death: no alumnus, no national officer, and no member would have ever wanted such a thing to occur. Neither would they condone a rape, an assault, nor any other type of abuse - these are crimes of stupidity, immature passion or a combination of the two, but are not systemic, nor based on our society rituals or sober choice. So where I see them, I rename these sections as "Local chapter or member misconduct." I would also suggest that where allegations are made, but unproven with charges dropped, that these instances DO NOT rise to the level of notability where they deserve a reference link to even an individual chapter citation on the fraternity's list of chapters. Certainly, these ought not be promoted to full paragraphs in the article about a national fraternity itself, except where an event met a standardized bar of national notoriety. Thus, I'd place links to a substantiated rape or significant hazing event against the chapter notation itself, on the chapter list, especially if a chapter met its demise or was suspended because of the tragic and/or stupid event, or where someone was adjudicated with a felony.
Where a persistent national news story was sparked by an event (like the fraudulent story about A Rape on Campus at the Univ. of Virginia's Phi Kappa Psi chapter (again, a bogus story), I think this DOES rise to the bar where it should be noted in the main page article. In this extreme case the story merited a standalone article.
With all this in mind, as an editor that works on many fraternity articles, I recast the former "controversies" section of this article into two parts. The first is criticism of the national fraternity over occasional zealous use of the "member review" process to shift a chapter's culture to a more Jewish frame. Whether a reasonable management decision or not, and whether it even happened or not, the issue is national in nature and has been broadly reported. I then pushed the incidents of hazing or sexual misconduct into a lower subsection, clarifying by sub-header that they were local in nature.
Another editor may want to review these individual chapter-based events to see if the charges were sustained, or dropped, and whether so newsworthy as to merit a reference in these summary articles years after the fact. I do not blame a current chapter for the sins, real or not, of members from decades prior. Jax MN ( talk) 15:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Notable Alumni has been put in the correct format as seen here [ [1]] in the notable members list. Changes that still need to be made: Put in Chapter (instead of displaying university) with link to university as shown in example. also, references need to be added. what's with the year date is that their graduation date? and eventually the chapter list needs to be converted as well. misterdan ( talk) 16:44, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I attended parties at an AEPi house while in college and my friends in the house used to say that Jimmy Brown, the great Syracuse running back, was a brother. If this isn't true it is quite a surprise, as I heard it from several sources. If it is true, why isn't he listed? 65.79.173.135 ( talk) 18:59, 9 November 2010 (UTC)Will in New Haven 65.79.173.135 ( talk) 18:59, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Can someone please explain the significance of the asterisks? They seem to mean nothing here. Beginning 20:56, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
(I guess it took a year for your answer!) My assumption would be that they are inactive or "dead" chapters. To confirm that, I did searches on the web sites of three of those schools (VCU, Richmond, ODU) that I didn't think had chapters. Sure enough, none of them listed an AEPi chapter. -- BDD 13:19, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
The asterisks are indeed inactive chapters. That can be confirmed by going to www.aepi.org and you will see the same asterisks next to the same schools with a note saying that those are inactive chapters.
It's just funny how a Jewish frat uses Latin acronyms. Rome WAS responcible for the destruction of the Second Temple, killing more than 2 mil Jews during the three large uprisings, and staring the diaspora. Not that I hold a grudge ;)
...just irnonic though.
(Well, I don't think AEPi would quite fit in with other frats if we named ourselves saomething like "Aleph Ein Peh."
-Sneaker.
...you do know it's Greek, not Latin, right? Adam Schloss 04:13, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
...you know its responisble, not responsible, right?
We shoulda been אהפ (Hay is the equivilent of Epsilon fyi), and so what if we wouldn't fit in? We're Jews! We don't fit in anyway, plus we'd join the elite group of frats without greek names like farmhouse (but we'd be cool cause Farmhouse is a kinda silly name for a frat). SF2K1
First – this discussion has no bearing, as you can’t change the name of the fraternity on the Wikipedia page, just because you think it’s ‘ironic’ based on your extremely limited understanding of Jewish History. Second – Actually, your argument has no basis, because in the Gemara, Rashi on Yeshayahu 19:18 writes that the Greek alphabet is the only other alphabet than Hebrew that a kosher Sefer Torah can be written in. So according to Rabbinic Law, Greek is the 2nd most appropriate language of the Jews (Grouping all Hebrew script languages together: Hebrew, Aramaic, Yiddish). - SH —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.16.104.184 ( talk) 14:02, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
It looks to me like just about the entire article has been lifted from the history page at the AEPi website. Course of action? - Joshuapaquin 04:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
who cares - it's not negative and AEPi hasn't said much, so it's ok under copyright law.
-sneaker.
I don't know what you're talking about. I wrote the bulk of the history section, and I summarized the information from the website and from other sources. That is historical fact, and since I rewrote that, there is no copyright violation. As for the mission statement, that does appear to be lifted directly from AEPi. However, that section is not a subjective desription - it is reporting on the actual publicly available mission statement. This is akin to quoting from a speech made by a public figure. SSherris 22:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
For anyone who happens to be a brother of AEPi, I've made a Userbox you can put on your user page.
Just put {{ User:UBX/aepi}} on your userpage, and
ΑΕΠ | This user is a brother of the Alpha Epsilon Pi Fraternity. |
will show up and automatically put you in the "Wikipedians in Alpha Epsilon Pi" Category -- pm_shef 00:06, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I know for a fact that Sigma Alpha Mu has an active chapter at McGill in Montreal, Canada as well as numerous ones in the US. The Mcgill chapter just got activated this year, but im not sure that AEPi's claim is true anymore.
Sammy is not a Jewish fraternity anymore. It hasn't been since the vietnam Era when AEPi was the only fraternity to insist on only allowing Jewish members, which is why it has a 99% Jewish percentage of it's fraternal population. SF2K1
Is AEPi REALLY Jewish, or is it required by nondiscrimination, etc. laws to admit anyone regardless of faith, race, ethnicity, etc.? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]]).
fraternal organizations are also exempted from some non-discrimination law, be they the free-masons or college fraternities.
Fraternities are legally allowed to admit or deny admission to anyone they want so it isn't a matter of law. The policy of AEPi is that it does not discriminate solely on the basis of religion, however if a non-Jew desires admission they must be seeking it in order to comply with AEPi's mision statement of creating Jewish leaders, so this is rarely the case. There are chapters where this policy is less strictly adhered to, but AEPi is in fact the ONLY "real Jewish fraternity"
Its been a while since I've been to a AEPi conference on rush, but in '05 we were told that if a gentile asks for a bid, we better have a reason besides religion for why we're not giving him one. We can try and fight this bid by telling the potential pledge that this is a Jewish fraternity, and put an emphasis on the Jewish part, but it still relies on the potential pledge changing his mind. Again, this is from memory. I don't know anywhere that this can be cited from, so don't take it as the official ruling. Jklharris 23:25, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
OK - What's up with the "unofficial" blogs? 2 is OK, but we're going to end up with 2,000 blogs from AEPis and AEPi alums if there isn't some better standard. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SSherris ( talk • contribs).
While defunct chapters have been noted with an asterik, some listed chapters, notably the "colonies" are not officially recognized. IMHO it is irresponsible to list those which either AEPi national, or local instituions do not officially recognize. —The preceding unsigned comment was added 19:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC).
I live on the Guelph campus and I am an AEPi brother. The school has not recognized either AEPi or DU as affiliated with the school but we both a presense on the campus and organize events together at times. Although both frats are new we are growing larger each year. AEPi does have contact with many other chapters with Canada and the USA and we go on road trips to other chapters who recognize us and allow us to stay there. Removing us from this list is wrong so keep the colony on the page until our request for chapter status has cleared.
- AEPi brother @ Guelph
Owning to our particular and special mission statement, AEPi will frequently recognize chapters that are not recognized locally by the schools they exist at. Guelph (as shown above) is a perfect example. Another key example was Georgetown where we were the first greek organization at the school where none were recognized. They are REAL AEPi chapters and deserve recognition in the chapter list. The best list to go by at any given time would be the chapter roll on the official aepi website www.aepi.org -AEPi Educational Leadership Consultant (International organization employee)
If you choose not to just link the list back to the AEPi website (which is usually pretty current with active chapters and colonies), then just leave the list as it stands. Defunct chapters should still be recognized because they did have alumni... and they still contributed to the nature of the fraternity as it is now. Similarly, as mentioned above, some schools choose not to recognize fraternities officially, despite them being viable, good organizations. To ignore "unrecognized" chapters (or even colonies) or failed attempts at colonization (eg, Dartmouth) is unfair to all our brothers. Keep them. 71.234.109.192 22:10, 5 October 2007 (UTC)rhetoric
It should be noted that not all chapters send their philantrophic donations to the Holocaust museum... My chapter, for example, contributes to Magen David Adom, the ambulance corps in Israel... 71.234.109.192 22:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)rhetoric
This is not true. My chapter sends it to the American Cancer Society —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.130.176.100 ( talk) 21:58, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
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I'm fairly sure the AEPi coat of arms cannot be blazoned as it is emblazoned (depicted) here. I've never seen a coat-of-arms like this. Can anyone provide a blazon? If you can, it would be a valuable addition to the article. — gogobera ( talk) 03:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Over the last few months, several IP users have been removing the two fraternity house pictures on here. I keep reverting this change. Is there anyone out there who wants to own up to deleting them, and wants to explain the change? If so, please post below. Thanks. -- Mblumber ( talk) 03:56, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
It appears that a recent edit about Alpha Epsilon Pi being the name of a defunct local sorority at Moravian college is factually accurate. I don't like the current treatment however; in a perfect world we could handle it as a disambiguation, but there's never going to be a page for the other organization. Thoughts? -- Mblumber ( talk) 13:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
This person is not listed on the AEPi international notable alumni list or on the Delta Rho chapter alumni list. Since there's no evidence that he is a member, I'll delete him. -- Mblumber ( talk) 16:52, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
There's a new webpage posted at www.aepi.org. Much of the pages are still under construction. Once all the content is uploaded, someone should fix the remainder of the dead links in this article. -- Mblumber ( talk) 03:04, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
The AEPi article, like other Wikipedia articles about national fraternities and sororities is a summary article. It is an overview, not meant to be a compendium of every historical item from every chapter. Thus, if it were up to me, I'd remove most of the "he said/she said" complaints from all of these articles.
These "Controversies" sections seem, to me, to be misnamed. There is nothing controversial about a hazing death: no alumnus, no national officer, and no member would have ever wanted such a thing to occur. Neither would they condone a rape, an assault, nor any other type of abuse - these are crimes of stupidity, immature passion or a combination of the two, but are not systemic, nor based on our society rituals or sober choice. So where I see them, I rename these sections as "Local chapter or member misconduct." I would also suggest that where allegations are made, but unproven with charges dropped, that these instances DO NOT rise to the level of notability where they deserve a reference link to even an individual chapter citation on the fraternity's list of chapters. Certainly, these ought not be promoted to full paragraphs in the article about a national fraternity itself, except where an event met a standardized bar of national notoriety. Thus, I'd place links to a substantiated rape or significant hazing event against the chapter notation itself, on the chapter list, especially if a chapter met its demise or was suspended because of the tragic and/or stupid event, or where someone was adjudicated with a felony.
Where a persistent national news story was sparked by an event (like the fraudulent story about A Rape on Campus at the Univ. of Virginia's Phi Kappa Psi chapter (again, a bogus story), I think this DOES rise to the bar where it should be noted in the main page article. In this extreme case the story merited a standalone article.
With all this in mind, as an editor that works on many fraternity articles, I recast the former "controversies" section of this article into two parts. The first is criticism of the national fraternity over occasional zealous use of the "member review" process to shift a chapter's culture to a more Jewish frame. Whether a reasonable management decision or not, and whether it even happened or not, the issue is national in nature and has been broadly reported. I then pushed the incidents of hazing or sexual misconduct into a lower subsection, clarifying by sub-header that they were local in nature.
Another editor may want to review these individual chapter-based events to see if the charges were sustained, or dropped, and whether so newsworthy as to merit a reference in these summary articles years after the fact. I do not blame a current chapter for the sins, real or not, of members from decades prior. Jax MN ( talk) 15:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)