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I have cut out and transferred here the following lines about supposed wives of Almanzor:
Records name several other wives, among them Nålevende, Urraca Garces (born deNavarre) and Oneca Garces (born Äbtissin von San Salvador de Castile) whom he married in 995. [1]
This sentence seems to be referenced but "myheritage.com" is not what we can call a trustworthy source for anything. And the information is obviously gibberish. There is one Oneca Garces in Spanish sources, but a century earlier, and she cannot have been "born Äbtissin von San Salvador de Castile" as "Äbtissin von" means in perfect German: "Abbess of". Nobody is born as an Abbess, and once you're an Abbess, you don't marry. And "Nålevende" is neither an Arabic nor a Spanish name, but means simply "alive" in Norwegian. So this is to be kept out for the moment. Ilyacadiz ( talk) 20:08, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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It is not at all obvious to the average reader that this title entailed military. The article Chancellor#Historical uses does not describe any such role anywhere in the Muslim realm let alone specifically in Al-Andalus. In an edit summary it was suggested that "most chancellors, pms, kings were military leaders and statesmen" but this is simply not true. Most PMs were not military leaders, and the role of a chancellor is very different depending on context and time period - I don't recall Angela Merkel leading any army. Not only would this have the reader extrapolating from the specific to the general, but also they would have to figure out who other al-Andalus chancellors were to find out what was said about them in their articles - there is no category for al-Andalus chancellors. The choice is between giving a handful of words that may be obvious to a small minority of knowledgeable readers, vs. requiring a naive reader to do significant research just to find an answer to something that could be simply stated. The better approach is the one that serves the most readers. Agricolae ( talk) 18:18, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
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I have cut out and transferred here the following lines about supposed wives of Almanzor:
Records name several other wives, among them Nålevende, Urraca Garces (born deNavarre) and Oneca Garces (born Äbtissin von San Salvador de Castile) whom he married in 995. [1]
This sentence seems to be referenced but "myheritage.com" is not what we can call a trustworthy source for anything. And the information is obviously gibberish. There is one Oneca Garces in Spanish sources, but a century earlier, and she cannot have been "born Äbtissin von San Salvador de Castile" as "Äbtissin von" means in perfect German: "Abbess of". Nobody is born as an Abbess, and once you're an Abbess, you don't marry. And "Nålevende" is neither an Arabic nor a Spanish name, but means simply "alive" in Norwegian. So this is to be kept out for the moment. Ilyacadiz ( talk) 20:08, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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It is not at all obvious to the average reader that this title entailed military. The article Chancellor#Historical uses does not describe any such role anywhere in the Muslim realm let alone specifically in Al-Andalus. In an edit summary it was suggested that "most chancellors, pms, kings were military leaders and statesmen" but this is simply not true. Most PMs were not military leaders, and the role of a chancellor is very different depending on context and time period - I don't recall Angela Merkel leading any army. Not only would this have the reader extrapolating from the specific to the general, but also they would have to figure out who other al-Andalus chancellors were to find out what was said about them in their articles - there is no category for al-Andalus chancellors. The choice is between giving a handful of words that may be obvious to a small minority of knowledgeable readers, vs. requiring a naive reader to do significant research just to find an answer to something that could be simply stated. The better approach is the one that serves the most readers. Agricolae ( talk) 18:18, 3 December 2020 (UTC)