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This is again something which in my view is better handled using a definition that by attempting to turn it into an article. I vote the link should be redirected to the Wiktionary definition of almanac. -- (talk to) BozMo 12:43, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
There's a great gap from Ptolemy's Phaesis to the 17th c. English printed almanacs. Much needs to be filled in here. -- SteveMcCluskey 02:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
In the first section, this article specifies an origin for the word "almanac." In the very next section, it says the origin is unclear. Only one of these statements can be true. Which one is it? -- Denelson 83 21:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
The 4 May 2009 version of this article's etymology section says Almanac is "from the Arabic word al-manakh[ref1] "calendar, almanac", citing the "Kitab al-Manakh," a 13th century publication by eminent Moroccan scholar, mathematician and astronomer, Ibn al-Banna al-Marrakushi.[ref2]" However, Roger Bacon used the word Almanac in a book dated 1267, when Ibn al-Banna was only 10 years old. Moreover the biography of Ibn al-Banna at MacTutor History of Mathematics archive says "he [al-Banna] is the first to use the expression almanakc (in Arabic al-manakh meaning weather) in a work containing astronomical and meteorological data."
The following is a quote from the Oxford English Dictionary about the eytmology of Almanac. I've copied this text from the website laudatortemporisacti.blogspot.com.
The OED then goes on to report a few etymology candidates, and rejects them all.
The etymology book by Weekley (1921) similarly says: "First seen in Roger Bacon. Apparently from Spanish Arabic, al-manakh, but this is not an Arabic word [interpret: this is not a word found in Arabic texts].... The word remains a puzzle." The etymology book by Skeat (1888) similary concludes that the construction of an Arabic etymology "is not satisfactory".
Returning to the current Wikipedia article, the article goes on to say: "the ultimate origin of the word is unknown." The word "ultimate" there is misleading because it's insinuating that (a) an Arabic origin is known and (b) the etymology of the Arabic word is unknown. Whereas the earliest documented use of the word is by Roger Bacon, a man who couldn't speak Arabic. I propose inserting the following text from the book "Word Origins" by John Ayto (2005): "The ultimate source of the word is obscure. Its first syllable, al-, and its general relevance to medieval science and technology, strongly suggest an Arabic origin, but no convincing candidate has been found."
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The origin of the word, "Almanac," is from Patristic Greek "almenichiata" and dates to before 339 A.D., prior to the origin of Arabic. It is found in Eusebius Caesarius, De Praep. Evang. III, 4. (Migne, Patrologia Graeca, XXI, 169c) The word almenichiata is [Ptolemaic?] Egyptian for the supernatural rulers of the celestial bodies according to Porphyry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by John N. Lupia III ( talk • contribs) 03:53, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Resolve The article is littered with scraps of pro-Arabic jumping up and down insistently. This is unacceptable; the matter must be resolved. If a scholarly concensus in favor of an Arabic root can be found then it should be given first place, with other theories mentioned. Otherwise all origin theories should be listed, ideally in order of etymological respectability, and all such discussion weeded out when it spills elsewhere. Either way, needs attention. — Xiong 熊 talk * 09:10, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
Hesiod's poem, Works and Days, was a good example of a agriculturally-focused astronomical (as well as ethically and generally advising) text, after the Babylonians but before the Hellenistic period. Furthermore, I strongly object to calling this agricultural tradition of astronomy "Hellenistic" because that word implies the Hellenistic period, beginning 323 with the death of Alexander the Great (see Hellenistic Period), when in fact the texts of Democritus and Hesiod were written earlier. Hesiod's work dates from about 700 BCE ( Works and Days.
Moreover, I can name other relevant ancient texts that ought to mentioned in the history of almanacs. MULAPIN, a Babylonian star catalog ( Mul.Apin), comes to mind. Also, the Egyptians knew that the morning rising of Sirius marked the beginning of summer ( Sirius), though I do not know of any text they had to do so. Quintus Twig ( talk) 20:24, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Can it be said that almanacs are primarily historical in content? And if they're not just historical, what forecasts do they make? For example, why would I want to buy an astronomical almanac when I can get a periodical that will tell me what is going to happen in the upcoming year? Concerning what an almanac 'is', I think an explanation of the advantages of an almanac, say over other relevant sources of information, would go a long way toward enhancing this definition. Regards -- 71.107.92.100 ( talk) 17:29, 29 December 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.89.52 ( talk) 16:33, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Ladies Almanack is listed under US Almanacs but is it really an almanac or is it a one time collection of inside jokes and stories? Thank you. Rissa, copy editor ( talk) 22:35, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
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This is again something which in my view is better handled using a definition that by attempting to turn it into an article. I vote the link should be redirected to the Wiktionary definition of almanac. -- (talk to) BozMo 12:43, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
There's a great gap from Ptolemy's Phaesis to the 17th c. English printed almanacs. Much needs to be filled in here. -- SteveMcCluskey 02:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
In the first section, this article specifies an origin for the word "almanac." In the very next section, it says the origin is unclear. Only one of these statements can be true. Which one is it? -- Denelson 83 21:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
The 4 May 2009 version of this article's etymology section says Almanac is "from the Arabic word al-manakh[ref1] "calendar, almanac", citing the "Kitab al-Manakh," a 13th century publication by eminent Moroccan scholar, mathematician and astronomer, Ibn al-Banna al-Marrakushi.[ref2]" However, Roger Bacon used the word Almanac in a book dated 1267, when Ibn al-Banna was only 10 years old. Moreover the biography of Ibn al-Banna at MacTutor History of Mathematics archive says "he [al-Banna] is the first to use the expression almanakc (in Arabic al-manakh meaning weather) in a work containing astronomical and meteorological data."
The following is a quote from the Oxford English Dictionary about the eytmology of Almanac. I've copied this text from the website laudatortemporisacti.blogspot.com.
The OED then goes on to report a few etymology candidates, and rejects them all.
The etymology book by Weekley (1921) similarly says: "First seen in Roger Bacon. Apparently from Spanish Arabic, al-manakh, but this is not an Arabic word [interpret: this is not a word found in Arabic texts].... The word remains a puzzle." The etymology book by Skeat (1888) similary concludes that the construction of an Arabic etymology "is not satisfactory".
Returning to the current Wikipedia article, the article goes on to say: "the ultimate origin of the word is unknown." The word "ultimate" there is misleading because it's insinuating that (a) an Arabic origin is known and (b) the etymology of the Arabic word is unknown. Whereas the earliest documented use of the word is by Roger Bacon, a man who couldn't speak Arabic. I propose inserting the following text from the book "Word Origins" by John Ayto (2005): "The ultimate source of the word is obscure. Its first syllable, al-, and its general relevance to medieval science and technology, strongly suggest an Arabic origin, but no convincing candidate has been found."
Seanwal111111 (
talk) 08:19, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
The origin of the word, "Almanac," is from Patristic Greek "almenichiata" and dates to before 339 A.D., prior to the origin of Arabic. It is found in Eusebius Caesarius, De Praep. Evang. III, 4. (Migne, Patrologia Graeca, XXI, 169c) The word almenichiata is [Ptolemaic?] Egyptian for the supernatural rulers of the celestial bodies according to Porphyry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by John N. Lupia III ( talk • contribs) 03:53, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Resolve The article is littered with scraps of pro-Arabic jumping up and down insistently. This is unacceptable; the matter must be resolved. If a scholarly concensus in favor of an Arabic root can be found then it should be given first place, with other theories mentioned. Otherwise all origin theories should be listed, ideally in order of etymological respectability, and all such discussion weeded out when it spills elsewhere. Either way, needs attention. — Xiong 熊 talk * 09:10, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
Hesiod's poem, Works and Days, was a good example of a agriculturally-focused astronomical (as well as ethically and generally advising) text, after the Babylonians but before the Hellenistic period. Furthermore, I strongly object to calling this agricultural tradition of astronomy "Hellenistic" because that word implies the Hellenistic period, beginning 323 with the death of Alexander the Great (see Hellenistic Period), when in fact the texts of Democritus and Hesiod were written earlier. Hesiod's work dates from about 700 BCE ( Works and Days.
Moreover, I can name other relevant ancient texts that ought to mentioned in the history of almanacs. MULAPIN, a Babylonian star catalog ( Mul.Apin), comes to mind. Also, the Egyptians knew that the morning rising of Sirius marked the beginning of summer ( Sirius), though I do not know of any text they had to do so. Quintus Twig ( talk) 20:24, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Can it be said that almanacs are primarily historical in content? And if they're not just historical, what forecasts do they make? For example, why would I want to buy an astronomical almanac when I can get a periodical that will tell me what is going to happen in the upcoming year? Concerning what an almanac 'is', I think an explanation of the advantages of an almanac, say over other relevant sources of information, would go a long way toward enhancing this definition. Regards -- 71.107.92.100 ( talk) 17:29, 29 December 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.89.52 ( talk) 16:33, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Ladies Almanack is listed under US Almanacs but is it really an almanac or is it a one time collection of inside jokes and stories? Thank you. Rissa, copy editor ( talk) 22:35, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
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