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Hello, I have started this article with some information I both know and that I have researched, and I have also uploaded two pictures of the wheels on the two cars at my household, which I knew would work perfectly. Can anybody add some more information? Thanks Harrison Bass - HB4026 00:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Calling aluminum (U.S. spelling) wheels "alloy wheels" is ignorant do to the fact that, in most cases, the only other type of wheel is a steel wheel. Steel is an alloy also, therefore steel wheels are alloy wheels.
The OP is not being pedantic, he or she is being totally correct. The only reason that "alloy wheel" is "common terminology" for aluminium or magnesium wheels is ignorance, because the majority of the population assume "alloy" means aluminium. This erroneous belief extends beyond the world of wheels, ie drink cans that were once made of steel are now made of aluminium and referred to as "alloy cans" . Allowing such an error to perpetuate only because so many people think that way is akin to science allowing people to continue believing the world is flat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.155.75 ( talk) 22:14, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Magnesium alloy wheel should be merged into this article. There are so many alloys that differentiating between them is pointless. 171.71.37.29 20:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Why is this article called "alloy wheel"?
Rim +
tire = wheel. (i.e. Only the rim is alloy, while the tire is rubber) Socrates2008 (
Talk)
12:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
189.42.228.115 ( talk) 23:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)I have found conposition of ZK60: Mg- 5,6% Zn and 0,55% Zr by w. Could I add it to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.42.228.115 ( talk) 23:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
The entry states: "The mass of typical magnesium automotive wheel is about 8–12 kg (depending on model)." which is unsourced and--as far my limited looking around has netted--inaccurate. For example: Axis Mag-lites 17x7 are 7.1kg; Hammann magnesium 19x8.5 are 8.2kg; Minilite Magnesium in 14x6 and 15x7 are 4.5 and 4.8kg, respectively; Nismo LM GT Magnesium 18x10(!) are still only 7.8kg. Certainly we could debate the word "typical" in this context as magnesium wheels are more apt to be used in a racing situation (and thus will be larger/heavier wheels as a result) versus a passenger car (where the "typical" wheel size should not even breach the 8 kg listed in the article). I've looked through this site: http://www.wheelweights.net/ and the heaviest magnesium wheel I found was 10.3 kg. Using only that source as a frequency guide I'd perhaps suggest a range closer to 5-9kg as being roughly 1.5-2 standard deviations about the mean. Any thoughts? EDIT: Logged in to re-sign Avram42 ( talk) 13:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I separated this out from the "magnesium" section because the methods seem to apply to all alloys. the language needs to be changed to reflect this and more detail needs to be added. 71.236.242.147 ( talk) 04:13, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
At least in Europe another production method is common, there called „Alubandrad“ (Alumminum Belt Wheel). It is built similar to the here so called Pressed Steel Wheel and replaces these increasingly as basic equipment. -- 84.178.38.161 ( talk) 15:18, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
This topic, "Alloy Wheels", begins with the statement -
"Alloy wheels are wheels that are made from an alloy of aluminium or magnesium. They are typically lighter for the same strength and provide better heat conduction and improved cosmetic appearance over steel wheels."
I find this strange as steel is itself an alloy.
I refer to Wiki's page titled "Steel" which states -
"Steels are alloys of iron and carbon, widely used in construction and other applications because of their high tensile strengths and low costs. Carbon, other elements, and inclusions within iron act as hardening agents that prevent the movement of dislocations that otherwise occur in the crystal lattices of iron atoms."
The problem probably arises from the fact that many people through ignorance automatically relate the word "alloy" to something made of aluminium.
Please do not help perpetuate this error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.155.75 ( talk) 01:27, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
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Hello, I have started this article with some information I both know and that I have researched, and I have also uploaded two pictures of the wheels on the two cars at my household, which I knew would work perfectly. Can anybody add some more information? Thanks Harrison Bass - HB4026 00:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Calling aluminum (U.S. spelling) wheels "alloy wheels" is ignorant do to the fact that, in most cases, the only other type of wheel is a steel wheel. Steel is an alloy also, therefore steel wheels are alloy wheels.
The OP is not being pedantic, he or she is being totally correct. The only reason that "alloy wheel" is "common terminology" for aluminium or magnesium wheels is ignorance, because the majority of the population assume "alloy" means aluminium. This erroneous belief extends beyond the world of wheels, ie drink cans that were once made of steel are now made of aluminium and referred to as "alloy cans" . Allowing such an error to perpetuate only because so many people think that way is akin to science allowing people to continue believing the world is flat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.155.75 ( talk) 22:14, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Magnesium alloy wheel should be merged into this article. There are so many alloys that differentiating between them is pointless. 171.71.37.29 20:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Why is this article called "alloy wheel"?
Rim +
tire = wheel. (i.e. Only the rim is alloy, while the tire is rubber) Socrates2008 (
Talk)
12:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
189.42.228.115 ( talk) 23:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)I have found conposition of ZK60: Mg- 5,6% Zn and 0,55% Zr by w. Could I add it to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.42.228.115 ( talk) 23:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
The entry states: "The mass of typical magnesium automotive wheel is about 8–12 kg (depending on model)." which is unsourced and--as far my limited looking around has netted--inaccurate. For example: Axis Mag-lites 17x7 are 7.1kg; Hammann magnesium 19x8.5 are 8.2kg; Minilite Magnesium in 14x6 and 15x7 are 4.5 and 4.8kg, respectively; Nismo LM GT Magnesium 18x10(!) are still only 7.8kg. Certainly we could debate the word "typical" in this context as magnesium wheels are more apt to be used in a racing situation (and thus will be larger/heavier wheels as a result) versus a passenger car (where the "typical" wheel size should not even breach the 8 kg listed in the article). I've looked through this site: http://www.wheelweights.net/ and the heaviest magnesium wheel I found was 10.3 kg. Using only that source as a frequency guide I'd perhaps suggest a range closer to 5-9kg as being roughly 1.5-2 standard deviations about the mean. Any thoughts? EDIT: Logged in to re-sign Avram42 ( talk) 13:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I separated this out from the "magnesium" section because the methods seem to apply to all alloys. the language needs to be changed to reflect this and more detail needs to be added. 71.236.242.147 ( talk) 04:13, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
At least in Europe another production method is common, there called „Alubandrad“ (Alumminum Belt Wheel). It is built similar to the here so called Pressed Steel Wheel and replaces these increasingly as basic equipment. -- 84.178.38.161 ( talk) 15:18, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
This topic, "Alloy Wheels", begins with the statement -
"Alloy wheels are wheels that are made from an alloy of aluminium or magnesium. They are typically lighter for the same strength and provide better heat conduction and improved cosmetic appearance over steel wheels."
I find this strange as steel is itself an alloy.
I refer to Wiki's page titled "Steel" which states -
"Steels are alloys of iron and carbon, widely used in construction and other applications because of their high tensile strengths and low costs. Carbon, other elements, and inclusions within iron act as hardening agents that prevent the movement of dislocations that otherwise occur in the crystal lattices of iron atoms."
The problem probably arises from the fact that many people through ignorance automatically relate the word "alloy" to something made of aluminium.
Please do not help perpetuate this error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.155.75 ( talk) 01:27, 18 March 2015 (UTC)