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- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 22:03, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Allemansdrift →
Mbhongo – Out of all the pointless move requests, this is one of the most pointless. There is zero proof this place was ever called 'Allemansdrift'. The sources I have say this place was called Almansdrift B. I struggle to understand why a bold move was reversed to a name that it was never called. Name was changed in 2003 and official/academic sources use the new name. Was unable to find much written about it.
https://www.gov.za/sites/default/files/gcis_document/201409/24924a0.pdf
https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780191866326.001.0001/acref-9780191866326-e-10128 Desertambition ( talk) 01:15, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per
ngrams and Google News, which shows
one result for "Mbhongo", and
six for "Allemansdrift", including four for "Allemansdrift B" specifically; the new name has not become predominant in common global usage as required by
WP:MPN.
No objection to moving this article to "Allemansdrift B", though I suspect "Allemansdrift" is the common name.Census suggests that the name refers to a broader area that consists of Allemansdrift A, Allemansdrift B, and Allemansdrift C and is referred to as Allemansdrift. BilledMammal ( talk) 03:16, 7 January 2022 (UTC)- BilledMammal Did you mean to say Almansdrift B? Again, ngrams are weak evidence. Desertambition ( talk) 05:03, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- The claim that
ngrams are weak evidence
appears to be based on a misunderstanding. Ngrams currently show data up to 2019, so if a change of name took place in 2020 or later, Ngrams are very weak evidence in support of a name. But if the name was changed in 2003, it is highly significant that Ngrams do not show any results at all for Mbhongo, but show a usage of Allemansdrift from 1870 to 2016.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:46, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- The claim that
- No; the name used in reliable sources is "Allemansdrift"; I suspect the government source is incorrect, as this also matches the census data. BilledMammal ( talk) 05:08, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, per WP:COMMONNAME. Google News searches show that Allemansdrift is the name used:
- Allemansdrift 7 results
- Mbhongo 0 relevant results, 1 irrelevant result (this was for 46 year old Josaya Tatolo Mbongo/Mbhongo, not the place)
- I checked Google News, and Mbongo is a not-uncommon family name. It is not a name used for Allemansdrift.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:46, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
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- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 22:03, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Allemansdrift →
Mbhongo – Out of all the pointless move requests, this is one of the most pointless. There is zero proof this place was ever called 'Allemansdrift'. The sources I have say this place was called Almansdrift B. I struggle to understand why a bold move was reversed to a name that it was never called. Name was changed in 2003 and official/academic sources use the new name. Was unable to find much written about it.
https://www.gov.za/sites/default/files/gcis_document/201409/24924a0.pdf
https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780191866326.001.0001/acref-9780191866326-e-10128 Desertambition ( talk) 01:15, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per
ngrams and Google News, which shows
one result for "Mbhongo", and
six for "Allemansdrift", including four for "Allemansdrift B" specifically; the new name has not become predominant in common global usage as required by
WP:MPN.
No objection to moving this article to "Allemansdrift B", though I suspect "Allemansdrift" is the common name.Census suggests that the name refers to a broader area that consists of Allemansdrift A, Allemansdrift B, and Allemansdrift C and is referred to as Allemansdrift. BilledMammal ( talk) 03:16, 7 January 2022 (UTC)- BilledMammal Did you mean to say Almansdrift B? Again, ngrams are weak evidence. Desertambition ( talk) 05:03, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- The claim that
ngrams are weak evidence
appears to be based on a misunderstanding. Ngrams currently show data up to 2019, so if a change of name took place in 2020 or later, Ngrams are very weak evidence in support of a name. But if the name was changed in 2003, it is highly significant that Ngrams do not show any results at all for Mbhongo, but show a usage of Allemansdrift from 1870 to 2016.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:46, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- The claim that
- No; the name used in reliable sources is "Allemansdrift"; I suspect the government source is incorrect, as this also matches the census data. BilledMammal ( talk) 05:08, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, per WP:COMMONNAME. Google News searches show that Allemansdrift is the name used:
- Allemansdrift 7 results
- Mbhongo 0 relevant results, 1 irrelevant result (this was for 46 year old Josaya Tatolo Mbongo/Mbhongo, not the place)
- I checked Google News, and Mbongo is a not-uncommon family name. It is not a name used for Allemansdrift.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:46, 8 January 2022 (UTC)