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Erm, are we certain that photo is Weler? I thought that officially it hadn't been retracted? Sherurcij ( talk) ( Terrorist Wikiproject) 07:04, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
According to a cable tv program, the dead Weler was wearing worn socks with holes in them. Presumably the dictator could afford to wear new socks.
It wasn't Weler. Weler was located and interviewed by the Allies in 1945. The photograph depicts a second Hitler double, name unknown. Garrick92 13:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
If Weler was found alive by the allied forces, this photo might be of the real Adolf Hitler.
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This news article mentions this double. You need a subscription to look at the whole article, though.
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20615FB3F5F1B7B93CBA9178ED85F418485F9
Greets 666sabbath666 02:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I was just looking up this theory today. The same person being referred to as Gustav Weler was also given name spellings of "Gustav Weber" and "Gustav Weder". So should perhaps be redirect pages for those names leading here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metasailor ( talk • contribs) 16:22, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I doubt this would be very controversial because of the limited attention this article receives, but floating the idea here first anyways. I think the article should be retitled to Alleged doubles of Adolf Hitler, for these primary reasons:
I recently changed the clunky wording:
The most prominent evidence of any Hitler double is Soviet footage of a toothbrush moustache-wearing body identified as Gustav Weler
to:
The most prominent evidence of any Hitler double is Soviet footage of the body of a toothbrush moustache-wearing person identified as Gustav Weler
Because Gustav Weler was a person, not a body.
The article body, which the lede is supposed to summarise, says, with a citation, "Footage of the body double identified as Gustav Weler was presented as Hitler's corpse in a post-war documentary".
User:UpdateNerd reverted me with the edit summary:
...less accurate, as we don't know if whoever the double is actually wore the moustache, as opposed to a prop if this was made (apparently) as propaganda
Since I made no change to the wording "toothbrush moustache-wearing ", and there is no mention of a prop, that made no sense, so I reverted with an edit summary to that effect..
I have now been reverted a second time, with the edit summary:
huh? the word 'wearing' isn't the topic of concern at all. it appears to be WP:OR that you assert this person wore the moustache while alive, which is unverified. also please see WP:BRD & use talk page
Firstly BRD is not mandatory and UpdateNerd is presumably as capable of starting a talk page discussion as I am. BRD says "BRD is not a valid excuse for reverting good-faith efforts to improve a page simply because you don't like the changes."
; "BRD is not an excuse to revert any change more than once."
and (emboldening in original) "If you revert twice, then you are no longer following the BRD cycle:"
.
More significantly, I made no assertion - much less one with OR - about what Weler did while alive. It is the reference "a prop if this was made (apparently) as propaganda" which seems to be OR.
The suboptimal "a toothbrush moustache-wearing body identified as Gustav Weler" still needs to be rewritten. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:29, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
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Erm, are we certain that photo is Weler? I thought that officially it hadn't been retracted? Sherurcij ( talk) ( Terrorist Wikiproject) 07:04, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
According to a cable tv program, the dead Weler was wearing worn socks with holes in them. Presumably the dictator could afford to wear new socks.
It wasn't Weler. Weler was located and interviewed by the Allies in 1945. The photograph depicts a second Hitler double, name unknown. Garrick92 13:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
If Weler was found alive by the allied forces, this photo might be of the real Adolf Hitler.
--- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.211.139.168 ( talk) 18:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
This news article mentions this double. You need a subscription to look at the whole article, though.
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20615FB3F5F1B7B93CBA9178ED85F418485F9
Greets 666sabbath666 02:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I was just looking up this theory today. The same person being referred to as Gustav Weler was also given name spellings of "Gustav Weber" and "Gustav Weder". So should perhaps be redirect pages for those names leading here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metasailor ( talk • contribs) 16:22, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I doubt this would be very controversial because of the limited attention this article receives, but floating the idea here first anyways. I think the article should be retitled to Alleged doubles of Adolf Hitler, for these primary reasons:
I recently changed the clunky wording:
The most prominent evidence of any Hitler double is Soviet footage of a toothbrush moustache-wearing body identified as Gustav Weler
to:
The most prominent evidence of any Hitler double is Soviet footage of the body of a toothbrush moustache-wearing person identified as Gustav Weler
Because Gustav Weler was a person, not a body.
The article body, which the lede is supposed to summarise, says, with a citation, "Footage of the body double identified as Gustav Weler was presented as Hitler's corpse in a post-war documentary".
User:UpdateNerd reverted me with the edit summary:
...less accurate, as we don't know if whoever the double is actually wore the moustache, as opposed to a prop if this was made (apparently) as propaganda
Since I made no change to the wording "toothbrush moustache-wearing ", and there is no mention of a prop, that made no sense, so I reverted with an edit summary to that effect..
I have now been reverted a second time, with the edit summary:
huh? the word 'wearing' isn't the topic of concern at all. it appears to be WP:OR that you assert this person wore the moustache while alive, which is unverified. also please see WP:BRD & use talk page
Firstly BRD is not mandatory and UpdateNerd is presumably as capable of starting a talk page discussion as I am. BRD says "BRD is not a valid excuse for reverting good-faith efforts to improve a page simply because you don't like the changes."
; "BRD is not an excuse to revert any change more than once."
and (emboldening in original) "If you revert twice, then you are no longer following the BRD cycle:"
.
More significantly, I made no assertion - much less one with OR - about what Weler did while alive. It is the reference "a prop if this was made (apparently) as propaganda" which seems to be OR.
The suboptimal "a toothbrush moustache-wearing body identified as Gustav Weler" still needs to be rewritten. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:29, 13 July 2023 (UTC)