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So... was he born in 1930 or 1931? The first two lines contradict each other. Fabiform 15:43, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I am very much bothered by the "Criticism" section, as the citations point only to the Widipedia articles on the organizations cited, not to the text that is being excised and quoted within the body of our acticle. The actual source documents appear to be almost 20 years old and are not available on the web, as far as I can tell. I don't believe that they meet the high standard for reliability set forth in WP:BLP. Also, per WP:BLP, the article seems to be heavily stacked toward criticizing Eckert rather than serving as a biography of the man (we have 7 lines of biography, and 5 lines of criticism). We need to improve the quality of those sources, or remove the critical material. We also need to turn an eye toward maintaining an overall NPV. Cmichael ( talk) 03:29, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Have a look at WP:BLP. I obviously haven't seen the sources, but my understanding is that they consist of book reviews printed shortly after one of his books was published. Book reviews are, by nature, opinions. It would be nice to have some corroborating reliable sources if we are going to criticize a living person. The standard is higher here than in an "average" article. Cmichael ( talk) 23:37, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Higher than Publishers Weekly and Kirkus Reviews? They're pretty good. 96.231.137.242 ( talk) 11:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
No, a well referenced "Criticism" section is not inappropriate. It is true that the article is unbalanced by being so heavy on the "Criticism"... That is because the other, non-critical text in the article is so scant. Solution: write more non-critical or neutral text... 140.139.35.250 ( talk) 15:06, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
In this article, a great deal of leniency is granted to what are merely romantic historical broad-brushes, clearly designed for teenage reading.The author might wish to refer to two works by John Sugden, "Blue Jacket: Warrior of the Shawnees" and "Tecumseh: A Life". I have a 'dog in the fight', so to speak, being (A) from the Miami Valley, and (B) having been completely hoodwinked by these 'histories' as a youth. I had my first clue soon after reading "The Frontiersmen". It references Cornstalk's secret burial "...at a location just north of the bend in the the B&O railroad tracks, Hawkins Road, Xenia Township, Ohio", or words to that effect. Well, I go down Hawkins Road all the time. There is no bend in the tracks. I also eagerly devoured, as a callow, myopic laddie, both outdoor dramas, "Tecumseh" and "Blue Jacket". More fool me. In short, the "creative" nature of Eckert's works needs clear mention. He took a free hand with Ohio history worthy of a Merlin, Oz, or Baptist minister. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BalancedScales ( talk • contribs) 23:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Greetings. I've just started working on an article for Eckert's book, Incident at Hawk's Hill, so I added the ref here and Wikilinked it, even though the link is currently red. The Newbery is the highest award a children's book by and American can receive, so it seemed it should be mentioned. Tlqk56 ( talk) 19:02, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
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So... was he born in 1930 or 1931? The first two lines contradict each other. Fabiform 15:43, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I am very much bothered by the "Criticism" section, as the citations point only to the Widipedia articles on the organizations cited, not to the text that is being excised and quoted within the body of our acticle. The actual source documents appear to be almost 20 years old and are not available on the web, as far as I can tell. I don't believe that they meet the high standard for reliability set forth in WP:BLP. Also, per WP:BLP, the article seems to be heavily stacked toward criticizing Eckert rather than serving as a biography of the man (we have 7 lines of biography, and 5 lines of criticism). We need to improve the quality of those sources, or remove the critical material. We also need to turn an eye toward maintaining an overall NPV. Cmichael ( talk) 03:29, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Have a look at WP:BLP. I obviously haven't seen the sources, but my understanding is that they consist of book reviews printed shortly after one of his books was published. Book reviews are, by nature, opinions. It would be nice to have some corroborating reliable sources if we are going to criticize a living person. The standard is higher here than in an "average" article. Cmichael ( talk) 23:37, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Higher than Publishers Weekly and Kirkus Reviews? They're pretty good. 96.231.137.242 ( talk) 11:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
No, a well referenced "Criticism" section is not inappropriate. It is true that the article is unbalanced by being so heavy on the "Criticism"... That is because the other, non-critical text in the article is so scant. Solution: write more non-critical or neutral text... 140.139.35.250 ( talk) 15:06, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
In this article, a great deal of leniency is granted to what are merely romantic historical broad-brushes, clearly designed for teenage reading.The author might wish to refer to two works by John Sugden, "Blue Jacket: Warrior of the Shawnees" and "Tecumseh: A Life". I have a 'dog in the fight', so to speak, being (A) from the Miami Valley, and (B) having been completely hoodwinked by these 'histories' as a youth. I had my first clue soon after reading "The Frontiersmen". It references Cornstalk's secret burial "...at a location just north of the bend in the the B&O railroad tracks, Hawkins Road, Xenia Township, Ohio", or words to that effect. Well, I go down Hawkins Road all the time. There is no bend in the tracks. I also eagerly devoured, as a callow, myopic laddie, both outdoor dramas, "Tecumseh" and "Blue Jacket". More fool me. In short, the "creative" nature of Eckert's works needs clear mention. He took a free hand with Ohio history worthy of a Merlin, Oz, or Baptist minister. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BalancedScales ( talk • contribs) 23:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Greetings. I've just started working on an article for Eckert's book, Incident at Hawk's Hill, so I added the ref here and Wikilinked it, even though the link is currently red. The Newbery is the highest award a children's book by and American can receive, so it seemed it should be mentioned. Tlqk56 ( talk) 19:02, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
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