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Reviewer: Winkelvi ( talk · contribs) 14:40, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Starting review. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 14:40, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Starting review today and will use a section-by-section approach with each change or notation needed marked by my signature. This will help keep things in order and time-stamped. As each area and point is addressed and completed successfully, it will be marked appropriately. There will be a GA checklist added at some point as well. Good luck! -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 14:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
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-- WV ● ✉ ✓ 14:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
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This article sounds very bias and fan written. It's not broad in its coverage at all (which I have seen another say, too), and I would argue that it fails based on lack of notability and coverage. I can also see unsourced/fan interpreted information, which is worrying. It's also become a very current song, with live promotion and what is sure to be multiple chartings and peaks in the next week or so, which will significantly alter the stability of the editing history. It's generally not very well written and I can see multiple issues with the references. The attitude of the nominater regarding the duration of the review, I think, is really rude, too, and bordering on ungrateful. The nominator should thankful that someone decided to take this on after a mere 18 hours of nomination time; some articles in the same category have been waiting 8 months. Winkelvi, you are the reviewer, and what you decide is up to you. But this article has been rush written and rush nominated, and for some reason, the nominator is in a rush for it to be presumptuously passed. If I was the reviewer, it would constitute a fail, for the many aforementioned reasons (excluding the nominators tone, I just think that was unfair toward you). — Calvin999 21:29, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
If I may comment on this, let me just say that you are running into an unfortunate situation here, kind of like how I did with " Birthday". With "All I Ask" having been performed at the Grammys and Ellen, it is highly likely that it will be given the single treatment. When it does, you'll have to constantly update the article to keep it current and maintain it worthy of GA-status. I'm not saying you can't, but it is hard. To sum up, this nomination is premature (even Hello would be, to be honest). Thank you pedro | talk 01:10, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
A few weeks ago after her performance of All I Ask at the Grammys and the Ellen Show, I saw an article saying that sales of the single were over 574,000 units. It should have a gold certification by now, not sure why it's taking so long. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.34.231.204 ( talk) 21:33, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Rather than belabor things in the hope that the GA nom is going to progress toward a "pass", I'm going to give the following statement. Keeping this open as "on hold" when it's really obvious it should fail is not fair to the nominator.
When I chose to take this review, I had not looked through the article first to see what condition it was in. I wanted to find reasons and a way to pass this article as a GA and to do it with completely unbiased eyes. I was able to accomplish the unbiased eyes portion. The initial comments I posted were from a brief once-over and then comments from others came to light. All good thoughts and suggestions. Unfortunately, there are a number of things still not addressed with this article by the nominator that have been mentioned by myself as well as others with extensive experience as both editors and GA nominators and reviewers.
A few of the most concerning items to me are: the article has the tone of a fan-written article with too much "gushing" and unencyclopedic language; the lack of balance in the way of reviews - which, to be fair, because the song is so new, it's possible there really aren't that many negative comments or reviews out there to include. Which brings me to a point already made: the song is too new for the article about it to be an accurate representation at this time, and its notability is questionable as far as wide coverage. Adele, of course, is notable. The song? Not so much. These two points on their own make it not eligible for GA, in my opinion (and, it would seem, the opinions of others commenting here). I think the nomination was a bit premature. Not the fault of the nominator, really. Those who spend a lot of time working on an article tend to think of it as a labor of love. I think this situation is no different and that subjective view of where this article is currently is what brought the nominator to believe it was ready to go for GA. Coming to that decision is understandable.
This article has potential -- potential that has yet to be realized because there just has been enough time gone by for the article to evolve properly and "mature", so to speak, in the way of notability and coverage. At this time, however, based on what's been brought up by other experienced editors and myself here, this article has to fail GA. My hope is that the nominator will take the comments here from everyone to heart if they choose to renominate the article at a later date - a much later date, actually. There's more that has to happen here than can be fixed with rewriting what's already in place. GA articles are supposed to be among the best Wikipedia has to offer. This article fall far from that criteria at this time. Another thing I hope the nominator remembers: a GA fail is not a black mark on the nominator nor is it a failure for the nominator and/or creator and principal contributor(s). It's just a way of saying, "Not yet, but definitely try again".
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Winkelvi ( talk · contribs) 14:40, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Starting review. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 14:40, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Starting review today and will use a section-by-section approach with each change or notation needed marked by my signature. This will help keep things in order and time-stamped. As each area and point is addressed and completed successfully, it will be marked appropriately. There will be a GA checklist added at some point as well. Good luck! -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 14:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Lede:
-- WV ● ✉ ✓ 14:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
-- WV ● ✉ ✓ 15:04, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Background and composition:
Critical reception:
Commercial performance:
Live performances:
Credits and personnel:
Charts:
References:
External links:
This article sounds very bias and fan written. It's not broad in its coverage at all (which I have seen another say, too), and I would argue that it fails based on lack of notability and coverage. I can also see unsourced/fan interpreted information, which is worrying. It's also become a very current song, with live promotion and what is sure to be multiple chartings and peaks in the next week or so, which will significantly alter the stability of the editing history. It's generally not very well written and I can see multiple issues with the references. The attitude of the nominater regarding the duration of the review, I think, is really rude, too, and bordering on ungrateful. The nominator should thankful that someone decided to take this on after a mere 18 hours of nomination time; some articles in the same category have been waiting 8 months. Winkelvi, you are the reviewer, and what you decide is up to you. But this article has been rush written and rush nominated, and for some reason, the nominator is in a rush for it to be presumptuously passed. If I was the reviewer, it would constitute a fail, for the many aforementioned reasons (excluding the nominators tone, I just think that was unfair toward you). — Calvin999 21:29, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
If I may comment on this, let me just say that you are running into an unfortunate situation here, kind of like how I did with " Birthday". With "All I Ask" having been performed at the Grammys and Ellen, it is highly likely that it will be given the single treatment. When it does, you'll have to constantly update the article to keep it current and maintain it worthy of GA-status. I'm not saying you can't, but it is hard. To sum up, this nomination is premature (even Hello would be, to be honest). Thank you pedro | talk 01:10, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
A few weeks ago after her performance of All I Ask at the Grammys and the Ellen Show, I saw an article saying that sales of the single were over 574,000 units. It should have a gold certification by now, not sure why it's taking so long. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.34.231.204 ( talk) 21:33, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Rather than belabor things in the hope that the GA nom is going to progress toward a "pass", I'm going to give the following statement. Keeping this open as "on hold" when it's really obvious it should fail is not fair to the nominator.
When I chose to take this review, I had not looked through the article first to see what condition it was in. I wanted to find reasons and a way to pass this article as a GA and to do it with completely unbiased eyes. I was able to accomplish the unbiased eyes portion. The initial comments I posted were from a brief once-over and then comments from others came to light. All good thoughts and suggestions. Unfortunately, there are a number of things still not addressed with this article by the nominator that have been mentioned by myself as well as others with extensive experience as both editors and GA nominators and reviewers.
A few of the most concerning items to me are: the article has the tone of a fan-written article with too much "gushing" and unencyclopedic language; the lack of balance in the way of reviews - which, to be fair, because the song is so new, it's possible there really aren't that many negative comments or reviews out there to include. Which brings me to a point already made: the song is too new for the article about it to be an accurate representation at this time, and its notability is questionable as far as wide coverage. Adele, of course, is notable. The song? Not so much. These two points on their own make it not eligible for GA, in my opinion (and, it would seem, the opinions of others commenting here). I think the nomination was a bit premature. Not the fault of the nominator, really. Those who spend a lot of time working on an article tend to think of it as a labor of love. I think this situation is no different and that subjective view of where this article is currently is what brought the nominator to believe it was ready to go for GA. Coming to that decision is understandable.
This article has potential -- potential that has yet to be realized because there just has been enough time gone by for the article to evolve properly and "mature", so to speak, in the way of notability and coverage. At this time, however, based on what's been brought up by other experienced editors and myself here, this article has to fail GA. My hope is that the nominator will take the comments here from everyone to heart if they choose to renominate the article at a later date - a much later date, actually. There's more that has to happen here than can be fixed with rewriting what's already in place. GA articles are supposed to be among the best Wikipedia has to offer. This article fall far from that criteria at this time. Another thing I hope the nominator remembers: a GA fail is not a black mark on the nominator nor is it a failure for the nominator and/or creator and principal contributor(s). It's just a way of saying, "Not yet, but definitely try again".
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WV ●
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20:57, 21 February 2016 (UTC)