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The airline information seems to be completely out of chronology, and someone should probably try to make everything in order, and perhaps all under "History". NagamasaAzai ( talk) 01:07, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
This sentence: While more money may be needed in early 2005, the airline seems to have avoided the threat of bankruptcy. is out of date. Can anyone update the article? :: Salvo (talk) 04:12, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
The site has been updated to include information about Alitalia's potentially illegal ticketing practices.
What a crooked airline! - Steven H.
Alitalia has evolved into a budget airline and operates in Europe as such. Cheap fares, lack of customer services and no real food served on the planes all form the characteristics of a budget carrier.Kalpha 08:45, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Dbinder. A closer look at their marketing activities, their flight prices, lack of serving food on most flights (economy class) and their poor customer services and inexistent corporate responsibility model give away the fact that Alitalia is a budget airline. Kalpha 00:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I take your point and leave it as it is. --Kalpha 16:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Many European airlines have cut their services completely in economy class, here are a few names: Iberia, bmi, SAS etc. Austrian and Swiss have taken the step back and restarted giving free food and drinks.
The Alitalia Italy and Alitalia UK websites are identical. Please remove one of the two. It makes sense to keep the UK site and remove the Italian which could appear in the Italian wiki version.
I have restored the complaints and lawsuits section. Someone removed most of the content without any discussion. It is well documented on the web and should remain in this article. Please discuss major changes here in the future.--Kalpha 13:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Someone has vandalised the article by adding favourable comments on this section. A quick search on blogs and the web will show that sentiment against Alitalia and its business practises is running high. Can someone please help protect this article? --Kalpha 14:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Fertuno has decided to delete this section for his personal reasons. Please discuss before doing major edits. --Kalpha 09:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
A whole paragraph for a one off crackpot website (alitaliasucks.com), seems unreasonable, any mention of it really is unnecessary. It has not accomplished anything, been covered in any sort of media source, or affected any change. 02 May 2009
I restored the livery section. I know its a stub, and it doesn't provide much information, but especially with an airline as old as Alitalia a livery section is an important piece of history. I don't have the knowledge to expand it, but I'm leaving it in there to suggest it to be added. —Cliffb 04:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
It must be added that the livery has been slightly changed now, if you go on alitalia.com you'll find the new livery (very similar to the old one anyway).
The information that Alitalia is the worst airline for luggage mishandling is not that accurate and should be changed. The AEA statistics only take into account member European airlines and so it is not a world statistic and furthermore the worst airline for luggage mishandling is BA followed by KLM.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/business/893219/british_airways_fly_the_flag__lose_your_bag/index.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6524639.stm
I think that phrase should either be changed or taken off.
I would just like to point out that a user has established that Venice Marco Polo International Airport in Venice is Alitalia's third hub. I have permitted myself to correct the error, because the airline's primary hubs are Rome Fiumicino and Milan Malpensa (and in the near future, Rome Fiumicino is destined to be the airline's sole). The fact that Alitalia operates several flights in and out of Venice does not mean that the city serves as a hub for the airline. Furthermore, it is not we who establish whether a city/airport is a hub or a focus city, rather the airline itself. Radarino ( talk) 08:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
the sukhoi superjets page says alitalia placed orders...can anyone confirm this? Duhhitsminerva ( talk) 23:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Alitalia-Linee Aeree Italiane SpA has sold all the properties and the Alitalia brand to Compagnia Aerea Italiana SpA. Therefore this page needs to be fully changed to mention that is the former Italian airline. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.61.193 ( talk) 08:55, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
ALITALIA, COMPAGNIA AEREA ITALIANA is the same airline with a new owner, instead of the italian Ministry of Treasury, now is a group of entrepreneurs with the 75% of the shares. This is called a privatization. Best Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.109.1.15 ( talk) 11:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
The staff were clearly sad as it was the last day of Alitalia-Linee Aeree Italiane and the new Alitalia a new company, it has the same name and that's it.
Some workers made an "Alitalia Funeral". In Italy all know that Alitalia flying now is a new company. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.99.182.114 ( talk) 13:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I think I have an idea where the difference in opinion between editors comes from.
The old Alitalia company went bankrupt and is being restarted as a new company.
The Alitalia Airline continued (same planes, same landing rights, same crews, same logo, same call sign, same flight numbers, same alliance).
The issue here is, should we look at the company (which was discontinued) or at the airline (which is continued)?
In my opinion we should look at the airline; which has continued. Do you agree? Arnoutf ( talk) 16:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
(unindent). You are getting circular. Discontinuity matters because "we" want to develop two article. "We" do not want to develop two articles. "We" do not agree with Sevs17 that the history is getting too complicated. This is the core of the whole debate. Should there be two articles? There is no consensus for that. That is the issue, you have to convince us (or at least a sizable majority) that two articles are preferrable over one (my opinion is that one is much better for the reader, why don't you accept it?). That has not been accomplished yet, so one article it stays (for now). Arnoutf ( talk) 18:38, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Ok, it seems clear. Go ahead with the change. Please make sure to follow up on MilbornOne's comments though. One other thing: If you use photos of Alitalia airplanes make sure that specific, actual plane (ie same registration number) is/ has been operated by 'New' Alitalia and not only by 'Old' Alitalia (as with the "change" in company many planes were sold off). Arnoutf ( talk) 17:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC) I agree with StuporesMundi because the new comapy is totally different with the old one! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.32.186.10 ( talk) 22:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
The airline is now to be renationalised and renamed, possibly to Alitalia-TAI. The article for the "new" Alitalias will therefore include Alitalia-CAI, SAI and TAI, which seems a bit arbitrary. There is no longer any clear distinction between an "old" pre-2009 and "new" post-2009 Alitalia, just a series of reorganizations and restructuring, where each time the brand, public perception, staff, fleet, website etc were all carried over to the "new" airline. Therefore I propose that this article be remerged with the main Alitalia article, which should cover the airline's entire history from the 1940s to today. I will start work on this soon (perhaps a draft) if there are no objections. Speed74 ( talk) 04:30, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
I have started a draft of what will become the proposed single Alitalia article here: User:Speed74/sandbox/Alitalia. Comments and improvements (anyone can edit the draft) are very welcome, although it is still very much a work in progress. I hope to complete the draft within 3-7 days. Speed74 ( talk) 06:54, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
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The airline information seems to be completely out of chronology, and someone should probably try to make everything in order, and perhaps all under "History". NagamasaAzai ( talk) 01:07, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
This sentence: While more money may be needed in early 2005, the airline seems to have avoided the threat of bankruptcy. is out of date. Can anyone update the article? :: Salvo (talk) 04:12, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
The site has been updated to include information about Alitalia's potentially illegal ticketing practices.
What a crooked airline! - Steven H.
Alitalia has evolved into a budget airline and operates in Europe as such. Cheap fares, lack of customer services and no real food served on the planes all form the characteristics of a budget carrier.Kalpha 08:45, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Dbinder. A closer look at their marketing activities, their flight prices, lack of serving food on most flights (economy class) and their poor customer services and inexistent corporate responsibility model give away the fact that Alitalia is a budget airline. Kalpha 00:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I take your point and leave it as it is. --Kalpha 16:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Many European airlines have cut their services completely in economy class, here are a few names: Iberia, bmi, SAS etc. Austrian and Swiss have taken the step back and restarted giving free food and drinks.
The Alitalia Italy and Alitalia UK websites are identical. Please remove one of the two. It makes sense to keep the UK site and remove the Italian which could appear in the Italian wiki version.
I have restored the complaints and lawsuits section. Someone removed most of the content without any discussion. It is well documented on the web and should remain in this article. Please discuss major changes here in the future.--Kalpha 13:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Someone has vandalised the article by adding favourable comments on this section. A quick search on blogs and the web will show that sentiment against Alitalia and its business practises is running high. Can someone please help protect this article? --Kalpha 14:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Fertuno has decided to delete this section for his personal reasons. Please discuss before doing major edits. --Kalpha 09:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
A whole paragraph for a one off crackpot website (alitaliasucks.com), seems unreasonable, any mention of it really is unnecessary. It has not accomplished anything, been covered in any sort of media source, or affected any change. 02 May 2009
I restored the livery section. I know its a stub, and it doesn't provide much information, but especially with an airline as old as Alitalia a livery section is an important piece of history. I don't have the knowledge to expand it, but I'm leaving it in there to suggest it to be added. —Cliffb 04:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
It must be added that the livery has been slightly changed now, if you go on alitalia.com you'll find the new livery (very similar to the old one anyway).
The information that Alitalia is the worst airline for luggage mishandling is not that accurate and should be changed. The AEA statistics only take into account member European airlines and so it is not a world statistic and furthermore the worst airline for luggage mishandling is BA followed by KLM.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/business/893219/british_airways_fly_the_flag__lose_your_bag/index.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6524639.stm
I think that phrase should either be changed or taken off.
I would just like to point out that a user has established that Venice Marco Polo International Airport in Venice is Alitalia's third hub. I have permitted myself to correct the error, because the airline's primary hubs are Rome Fiumicino and Milan Malpensa (and in the near future, Rome Fiumicino is destined to be the airline's sole). The fact that Alitalia operates several flights in and out of Venice does not mean that the city serves as a hub for the airline. Furthermore, it is not we who establish whether a city/airport is a hub or a focus city, rather the airline itself. Radarino ( talk) 08:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
the sukhoi superjets page says alitalia placed orders...can anyone confirm this? Duhhitsminerva ( talk) 23:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Alitalia-Linee Aeree Italiane SpA has sold all the properties and the Alitalia brand to Compagnia Aerea Italiana SpA. Therefore this page needs to be fully changed to mention that is the former Italian airline. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.61.193 ( talk) 08:55, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
ALITALIA, COMPAGNIA AEREA ITALIANA is the same airline with a new owner, instead of the italian Ministry of Treasury, now is a group of entrepreneurs with the 75% of the shares. This is called a privatization. Best Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.109.1.15 ( talk) 11:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
The staff were clearly sad as it was the last day of Alitalia-Linee Aeree Italiane and the new Alitalia a new company, it has the same name and that's it.
Some workers made an "Alitalia Funeral". In Italy all know that Alitalia flying now is a new company. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.99.182.114 ( talk) 13:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I think I have an idea where the difference in opinion between editors comes from.
The old Alitalia company went bankrupt and is being restarted as a new company.
The Alitalia Airline continued (same planes, same landing rights, same crews, same logo, same call sign, same flight numbers, same alliance).
The issue here is, should we look at the company (which was discontinued) or at the airline (which is continued)?
In my opinion we should look at the airline; which has continued. Do you agree? Arnoutf ( talk) 16:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
(unindent). You are getting circular. Discontinuity matters because "we" want to develop two article. "We" do not want to develop two articles. "We" do not agree with Sevs17 that the history is getting too complicated. This is the core of the whole debate. Should there be two articles? There is no consensus for that. That is the issue, you have to convince us (or at least a sizable majority) that two articles are preferrable over one (my opinion is that one is much better for the reader, why don't you accept it?). That has not been accomplished yet, so one article it stays (for now). Arnoutf ( talk) 18:38, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Ok, it seems clear. Go ahead with the change. Please make sure to follow up on MilbornOne's comments though. One other thing: If you use photos of Alitalia airplanes make sure that specific, actual plane (ie same registration number) is/ has been operated by 'New' Alitalia and not only by 'Old' Alitalia (as with the "change" in company many planes were sold off). Arnoutf ( talk) 17:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC) I agree with StuporesMundi because the new comapy is totally different with the old one! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.32.186.10 ( talk) 22:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
The airline is now to be renationalised and renamed, possibly to Alitalia-TAI. The article for the "new" Alitalias will therefore include Alitalia-CAI, SAI and TAI, which seems a bit arbitrary. There is no longer any clear distinction between an "old" pre-2009 and "new" post-2009 Alitalia, just a series of reorganizations and restructuring, where each time the brand, public perception, staff, fleet, website etc were all carried over to the "new" airline. Therefore I propose that this article be remerged with the main Alitalia article, which should cover the airline's entire history from the 1940s to today. I will start work on this soon (perhaps a draft) if there are no objections. Speed74 ( talk) 04:30, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
I have started a draft of what will become the proposed single Alitalia article here: User:Speed74/sandbox/Alitalia. Comments and improvements (anyone can edit the draft) are very welcome, although it is still very much a work in progress. I hope to complete the draft within 3-7 days. Speed74 ( talk) 06:54, 5 June 2020 (UTC)