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As yet not a single reference has been provided for the changes being made. If they can be provided then fine but edit warring without providing sources is against policy. MarnetteD| Talk 01:36, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Taking no position on the issue, but just for the sake of clarity, the source used by Kas42 is the LDS website, and accesses the California birth records database in Sacramento, not a user generated database, so it's actually highly reliable. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 07:34, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
You may want to familiarize yourself with Mormon church principles and practices regarding family history.No, I have no interest in that esoteric field, but since you seem to be an expert, go ahead and reinstate that source.
Regardless, the LDS site is far, far more reliable than a high school (seriously?) newspaper with no fact-checking and three minor Hollywood websites that do not indicate how they fact-check;The High School article makes a rather definitive claim that she was born and raised in Carmel, and the piece looks like an interview with the actress. To me it looks convincing. A high-school newspaper from the area she was born, seems like a reliable source. I realise that we can cut it up, especially if we start comparing it to Mormon practices, and standards, and to other more professional news organisations, but I did not use this source alone; it is part of an additional four sources. In any case, I think this discussion has become politicised, and, also given your lecturing tone, I would rather not pursue it further, as it can only deteriorate from here.
Moreover Monterey County is not a "neighboring" county; it's 300+ miles to the north separated by (by my count) at least four other counties. you have to understand that,...From your tone, you sound like you are trying to give a lecture. Again, I have no intention of being lectured. By the way, when I mentioned "neighbouring", I obviously used the adjective mindful of the scale of the US topography. So there was no need for the lecture on distance or the US municipal boundaries. The whole idea of Wikipedia is the use of reliable sources, and the expertise of the editors who add them is secondary at best, since the reliability of sources should be determined by consensus through civilised discussion. I don't feel that I have to be an expert on Mormonism or the US birth registration process before I edit this article. If you feel so strongly about the FamilyTree sources, then go ahead and add them. I am not interested on being lectured further, just because you seem more familiar with the US landscape and processes. My interest is much narrower: to avoid original research, and to supply what I think are reliable sources. I have an aversion for sources such as birth indices, where an editor has to vet the results manually, since this practice is very close to original research. Having said that, you are free to dispute the sources I supplied, and you are also free to add the Mormon index to this article. Hopefully, that should be the end of it. Dr. K. 19:04, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
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As yet not a single reference has been provided for the changes being made. If they can be provided then fine but edit warring without providing sources is against policy. MarnetteD| Talk 01:36, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Taking no position on the issue, but just for the sake of clarity, the source used by Kas42 is the LDS website, and accesses the California birth records database in Sacramento, not a user generated database, so it's actually highly reliable. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 07:34, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
You may want to familiarize yourself with Mormon church principles and practices regarding family history.No, I have no interest in that esoteric field, but since you seem to be an expert, go ahead and reinstate that source.
Regardless, the LDS site is far, far more reliable than a high school (seriously?) newspaper with no fact-checking and three minor Hollywood websites that do not indicate how they fact-check;The High School article makes a rather definitive claim that she was born and raised in Carmel, and the piece looks like an interview with the actress. To me it looks convincing. A high-school newspaper from the area she was born, seems like a reliable source. I realise that we can cut it up, especially if we start comparing it to Mormon practices, and standards, and to other more professional news organisations, but I did not use this source alone; it is part of an additional four sources. In any case, I think this discussion has become politicised, and, also given your lecturing tone, I would rather not pursue it further, as it can only deteriorate from here.
Moreover Monterey County is not a "neighboring" county; it's 300+ miles to the north separated by (by my count) at least four other counties. you have to understand that,...From your tone, you sound like you are trying to give a lecture. Again, I have no intention of being lectured. By the way, when I mentioned "neighbouring", I obviously used the adjective mindful of the scale of the US topography. So there was no need for the lecture on distance or the US municipal boundaries. The whole idea of Wikipedia is the use of reliable sources, and the expertise of the editors who add them is secondary at best, since the reliability of sources should be determined by consensus through civilised discussion. I don't feel that I have to be an expert on Mormonism or the US birth registration process before I edit this article. If you feel so strongly about the FamilyTree sources, then go ahead and add them. I am not interested on being lectured further, just because you seem more familiar with the US landscape and processes. My interest is much narrower: to avoid original research, and to supply what I think are reliable sources. I have an aversion for sources such as birth indices, where an editor has to vet the results manually, since this practice is very close to original research. Having said that, you are free to dispute the sources I supplied, and you are also free to add the Mormon index to this article. Hopefully, that should be the end of it. Dr. K. 19:04, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
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