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Family tree starting from Imam Ali Naqi is called as NAQVI family which can be largely found in India, Pakistan, Iran & Iraq. Regards Shadab Naqvi —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.80.37.124 ( talk) 06:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC).
Do we have any reason to doubt that this source is valid? I've Googled the source, and it seems prominent and is used elsewhere aside from Wikipedia. -- Enzuru 02:22, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Sayed Rizvi. By the way, does that mean you're Akhbari and not Usuli? -- Enzuru 11:06, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
174.21.159.14 ( talk) 10:52, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I am going to improve this article a little bit using reliable sources. Hadi ( talk) 16:14, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
There is no conclusion over three sons or seven. Why it is considered necessary to place a full stop after mentioning three sons. Therefore it is necessary to evaluate the reliability of reference being emphasized with the availability of an ISBN # and its publishing in English language by a foreign expert (his dignity is recognized, but critical view is our right). In my discussion Abu Mikhnaf is one of primary sources per norm of social science (history).
When evaluating primary or secondary sources, the very basis warrants to know:
Thus the reliability of an scholar ( Wilferd Madelung ) belonging to a belated period (20th century) depending on single source of tenth century does not sense to overrule the very old primary source of 8th century which is not only supported by millions of naqvis/naqavis of the world (particularly the sub-continent) but also evident from the various published (secondary) sources e.g. Gulzar-e-Naqi (Riaz ulnasab), compiled with the help of 38 books annexing 40 pedigrees, by a family member of Ali Naqi Naqvi . The writer belongs to well educated family, his two elder brothers were college principals in colleges of Punjab. Among his brothers Dr. Sohail Bukhari was an authority in Urdu Literature in his time besides being an author for Punjab Text Books for school and colleges.
In view of above discussion the section which provides explanation to the confusion in numbering and names of sons should remain in the main article for research and reference, in terms of EN-WP being the tertiary source. Nannadeem ( talk) 18:01, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
According to general rule, no primary source can be deleted. Acceptance or rejection is discussed in secondary source and comments/explanations provided therein are evaluated by groups and schools. However a primary sources may or may not be a truth e.g. the theory of 04 elements (air, water, fire and sand) is classic primary source, rejected in secondary sources of the modern era. Thus, treaty of Hasan-Muawiya and primary sources relating to the event can be discussed in secondary sources per Doctrine of Repugnancy in view of conflicts and wars between Ali & Muawiya and our stance of silence with respect to events of that time was force meajure. Battle of Karbala is the final proof under retrospective doctrine of history which also validates our strategy for avoidance of bloodshed and provision of guidance with no greed for dominance. In this scinerio a number of events were recorded as primary source, many of these events contradict to each other, which is a bone of contest in our secondary sources. Nannadeem ( talk) 20:13, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
@ user:3hunna I think "Internet Meme" section should not be placed in the page in order to avoid like stories whether retrospective or prospective. Nannadeem ( talk) 13:32, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hello Albertatiran. This article could be the next good article. I would work on it while you preparing the draft. Ghazaalch ( talk) 06:24, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
The caliph is said to have imposed the penalty of death by flagellation on anyone who insulted the companions or the wives of the prophet.[37]
prevented Alids from answering to religious inquiries or accepting charitable gifts, thus pushing them into poverty.[45]Because receiving charity ( sadaqa) was forbidden for Sayyids or Alids who are decedents of the prophet.
al-Mutawakkil temporarily forbade his staff from serving al-Hadi, advised by a relative nicknamed Harisa, who warned the caliph about the good name of al-Hadi in the court. The report has a miraculous ending with the caliph abandoning his policy after an unexpected breeze blew the curtains open for al-Hadi instead of the guards.[86]Because it is not clear how serving Hadi will raise his good name. This report from wiki-Farsi seems more plausible: "al-Hadi managed to answer all of Yahya's questions. It was after that that Yahya asked Mutawakkul to refrain from asking more questions from Hadi, because this would reveal his knowledge and strengthen the Rafizi (Shiites) among the people."
"...to prove that they do not harm true descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib".Again linking "true descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib" to " Alids" is not exact. I am sure that the true descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib here are not the same as "all" the Alids, but it refers to some distinguished ones such as Zaynab, Abbas, and the Shia imams. Plus, we don't need to quote the exact words of Madelung which are misleading to readers.
By the way, there is no Islamica article concerning al-Hadi in Persian. Ghazaalch ( talk) 10:01, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello Cplakidas! Hope all is well! Ghazaalch and I have been working on this article for some time and we finally feel that it's ready now for the nomination. We also carefully took into account your earlier comments on Muhammad al-Jawad but it's still possible that we have missed some things. (In that case, sorry!) We hope that you would be available to review Ali al-Hadi. Thank you! Albertatiran ( talk) 09:36, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
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Will gladly take this on, but it will be likely a few days before I can devote enough time. Constantine ✍ 16:03, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
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tenth Imam in Twelver Shia
As with most of his predecessors, he kept aloof from politics until he was summoned from his hometown of Medina around 848 CE to the capital Samarra...This was initially linked to political quietism in Islam but I removed the link because of a comment I received from Ghazaalch to the effect that there is evidence the Shia Imams didn't revolt because they didn't have enough support. That is, they were forced to withdraw from politics rather than the article's description of
the religiously-motivated withdrawal from political affairs or skepticism that mere mortals can establish a true Islamic government.Here is also a similar statement from our article on Ja'far al-Sadiq, the sixth Shia Imam.
In contrast, similar to his father and his grandfather, al-Sadiq adopted a quiescent attitude and kept aloof from politics. He viewed the imamate and caliphate as separate institutions until such time that God would make the Imam victorious.The emphasis is mine.
Done! This comment was also applied to Muhammad al-Jawad.
known for his hostility towards Shias.As for 'Shiite', Google Dictionary defines 'Shia' as both a noun (to describe an adherent) and an adjective. I highly prefer 'Shia' over 'Shiite' for obvious reasons and the former is becoming increasingly more common on Wikipedia. With that in mind, I found no instances in the article where the distinction between 'Shia' (as the religion) and 'Shias' (its adherents) is unclear.
religious affairs of the Shia community.
the al-Askari shrine in Samarra, located in modern-day Iraq, houses...
He was also known as al-Mutawakkil (Arabic: المتوكل على الله, lit. 'he who relies on God'), but this title was perhaps rarely used to avoid confusion with the Abbasid caliph al-Mutawakkil.
sometime after 830...
As for his birthplace, the Shia-leaning historian al-Mas'udi (d. 956) differs from the prevalent view. Ithbat al-wassiya, a collective biography of the Shia Imams attributed to him, reports that...
...his father al-Jawad and his wife Umm al-Fadl traveled to...
After the death of his father, the young Ali was likely kept by the Abbasids under the guardianship of caretakers hostile to the Shia cause.
Muhammad ibn Faraj, a trusted associate of the Imams,...specifically refers to the Shia Imams contemporary to Muhammad. We have changed this to
Muhammad ibn Faraj, a trusted associate of the previous Shia Imams,...Elsewhere in the article, there are currently no instances where 'Imam' does not refer to one of the Twelve Imams.
Bihar, a seventeenth-century collection of Shia hadiths...
hostility to Shias.
The Shia community was relatively free in this period, and the early historian Abu al-Faraj al-Isfahani (d. 967) reports that stipends were given to the Alids, that is, the descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib (d. 661), the first Shia Imam.
An account by Ibrahim ibn Mahziyar al-Ahwazi describes a visit to Ali al-Hadi in 228 AH (842-3) to deliver some goods, accompanied by his brother Ali. The two brothers were trusted associates of al-Jawad.
An account in Ithbat from this period might show the political awareness of the young Ali, even though it has been given a miraculous aspect in some other sources. This account is dated 232 AH (846-7) and narrated by a servant in the court of al-Wathiq, named Khayran al-Khadim, whom Ali al-Hadi inquires about the caliph's health. Khayran tells him that al-Wathiq is dying, adding that the general view is that he would be succeeded by his son. Ali, however, correctly predicts the accession of the caliph's brother Ja'far al-Mutawakkil (r. 847–861).
First sections, will do the rest tomorrow. Constantine ✍ 20:34, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
The caliph is said to have imposed the penalty of death by flagellation on anyone who defamed the companions or the wives of the prophet, some of whom are viewed negatively in Shia.
The caliph also created a new army, known as Shakiriyya, which recruited from anti-Alid areas, such as Syria, al-Jazira (Upper Mesopotamia), al-Jabal, Hejaz, and from the Abna, a pro-Abbasid ethnic group.
It was during the caliphate of al-Mutawakkil that the governor of Medina, Abd Allah ibn Muhammad, wrote to the caliph and warned him about the subversive activities of al-Hadi, claiming that he had concealed arms and books for his followers. Alternatively, the Ithbat attributes the affair to Burahya al-Abbasi, the leader of prayers in Medina, who may have advised the caliph to remove al-Hadi from the city because he was allegedly agitating against the caliph.
...but requested that he with his family relocate to the new Abbasid capital of Samarra, a garrison town where the Turkish guards were stationed, north of Baghdad.
...and is recorded in Kitab al-Irshad and Kitab al-Kafi, a comprehensive collection of Shia hadiths by the prominent Twelver scholar Muhammad ibn Ya'qub al-Kulayni (d. 941).
When al-Hadi approached Baghdad, people gathered to see him and he was received warmly by the governor, Ishaq ibn Ibrahim al-Tahiri, who rode out of the city to welcome him.
More specifically, his residence was in the center of the city on Abi Ahmad street.
Also in Egypt, a follower of al-Hadi by the name of Muhammad ibn Hajar was killed and the estate of another follower, Saif ibn al-Layth, was confiscated by the ruler, according to al-Kulayni.
A similar tradition is ascribed to al-Rida, the eighth of the Twelve Imams,...
The funeral prayer is said to have been led by al-Muwaffaq (d. 891), a brother of the caliph.
More recently, the complex was rebuilt in 1868-9 at the request of Naser al-Din Shah Qajar (r. 1848–1896), ruler of Persia and a Twelver, and the golden dome was added in 1905.
In addition to al-Hadi, the shrine also houses the tombs of his son, Hasan al-Askari...
As an important destination for Shia pilgrimage, the shrine was bombed in February 2006 and badly damaged. Another attack on 13 June 2007 destroyed the two minarets of the shrine. Iraqi authorities hold the Sunni extremist group al-Qaeda responsible for both attacks.
The historian Dwight M. Donaldson...
Will do the remainder tomorrow. Constantine ✍ 20:12, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
As with his father, Ali al-Hadi was still a minor when he succeeded to the imamate at the age of about seven. Thanks to the precedent of al-Jawad, however, the imamate of Ali was widely accepted without much demur,...
For the Muslim jurist and academic Hoessin Modarresi, the account of his succession suggests that the seniority of Ali over his brother was not sufficient and the Shia community had to be convinced that Ali was directly appointed by his father.
...both about occultation, which is the Twelver belief that al-Askari has a son Muhammad, who has been concealed from the public since 874 and would return as the eschatological Mahdi at the end of time.
Among others, multiple accounts in Ithbat and Dala'il al-im'ama show Ali supernaturally alert the very moment his father died.
Also dated 861, the biographical al-Khara'ij by the Twelver scholar Qutb al-Din al-Rawandi (d. 1178) similarly reports a house arrest of al-Hadi under Sa'id al-Hajib, who was allegedly ordered to kill the Imam. This time a visitor finds al-Hadi seated next to an open grave in his house but is reassured by him that he would not be harmed because al-Mutawakkil would die shortly.
Bihar reports that al-Mutawakkil temporarily forbade his staff from serving al-Hadi, advised by a relative nicknamed Harisa, who warned the caliph that this was boosting the political image of al-Hadi among people. The report has a miraculous ending with the caliph abandoning his policy after an unexpected breeze blew the curtains open for al-Hadi instead of the guards.
Ali al-Hadi is also credited in Twelver sources with predicting the death of al-Mutawakkil, who had either imprisoned or humiliated al-Hadi.) But I also have to disagree with the proposal that the miraculous reports are fabricated. True, some of them are exaggerated. Still, they can't be ignored. From our article:
Wardrop stresses that, while many of these reports might be exaggerated, they are likely based on truth and unwise to ignore [in the bio].Her view (very roughly) is that it was probably difficult for Shias to see their imam defenseless against the tyrant of his time and so some historical accounts were probably embellished with miraculous details to show that the tyrant gets his fair share already in this world. That is to say that the few miraculous accounts in the bio are not totally out of place. On a more personal note, I don't find many of these attributed miracles difficult to believe, like occasionally predicting the future, speaking multiple languages, or showing a certain vision to others. Similar deeds are commonly attributed to Muslim saints.
Still, some considered al-Hadi to be the last Imam, and Hasan is said to have written to Imamite figures across the Abbasid empire to dispel their doubts about his imamate.
At the same time, some followers of Faris ibn Hatim claimed that the successor of al-Hadi was his son Muhammad, who appointed his brother as the next Imam before his death during the lifetime of al-Hadi. They accordingly accepted the imamate of Ja'far instead of al-Askari. This was apparently an act of defiance to al-Askari, who had sided with his father al-Hadi when he excommunicated his erstwhile agent Faris for embezzling religious dues and openly inciting against him.
Faris ibn Hatim ibn Mahawayh al-Qazvini was initially a representative of al-Hadi and his intermediary with the Imamites living in the Jibal (lit. 'mountains'), the region encompassing the central and western parts of modern-day Iran. Faris was involved in a dispute with Ali ibn Ja'far around 248 AH (862) and was consequently banned by al-Hadi from receiving alms on his behalf. He continued to do so, however, without forwarding them to al-Hadi, who excommunicated Faris in 250 AH (864) for embezzling religious dues. Later when Faris continued to openly incite against al-Hadi, the latter called for his death, and he was indeed assassinated during the imamate of Hasan al-Askari.
One of the many such accounts about al-Hadi is narrated by Ibrahim ibn Mahziyar, who describes a meeting with a young al-Hadi in 228 AH (842-3)...
@ Albertatiran and Ghazaalch: A very comprehensive article, very well referenced and well written. I worry a bit about overloading the proverbial 'average reader' with information, but I cannot fault your effort here, the transformation of this article is spectacular. Constantine ✍ 21:22, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
The caliph also dismissed officials suspected of Shia sympathies, including the governor of Saymara and Sirawan in the province of Jibal.
al-Irshad, which is considered reliable and unexaggerated by most Shias.
In response, the caliph assured al-Hadi of his highest regard for him but...--->
The caliph responded respectfully but...
...Ishaq ibn Ibrahim al-Tahiri, who rode out of the city to welcome him.--->
...Ishaq ibn Ibrahim al-Tahiri, who welcomed them outside the city.
...but assigned a house for his residence--->
...but assigned a house for him.
...as he liked the quality of its water and air--->
...as he liked its good water and air.
A theological treatise on free will and some other short texts are ascribed to al-Hadi...--->
A theological treatise on free will and various short texts are attributed to al-Hadi...
In the next five years, Ali al-Hadi successfully established contact with representatives from several regions.
but the last author believes that al-Hadi sent and received his messages with secrecy under the watchful eyes of the caliph.
That's it. There's a couple of minor issues outstanding, but I am satisfied that the article fulfils the GA criteria. Once the minor issues are done, I will promote it. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 14:29, 30 April 2023 (UTC) @ Albertatiran and Ghazaalch: as an aside, and unrelated to this GA process, you might want to submit your articles to the WP:GOCE process. It can do wonders for prose quality, style, and tone. Constantine ✍ 18:58, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
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Family tree starting from Imam Ali Naqi is called as NAQVI family which can be largely found in India, Pakistan, Iran & Iraq. Regards Shadab Naqvi —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.80.37.124 ( talk) 06:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC).
Do we have any reason to doubt that this source is valid? I've Googled the source, and it seems prominent and is used elsewhere aside from Wikipedia. -- Enzuru 02:22, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Sayed Rizvi. By the way, does that mean you're Akhbari and not Usuli? -- Enzuru 11:06, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
174.21.159.14 ( talk) 10:52, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I am going to improve this article a little bit using reliable sources. Hadi ( talk) 16:14, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
There is no conclusion over three sons or seven. Why it is considered necessary to place a full stop after mentioning three sons. Therefore it is necessary to evaluate the reliability of reference being emphasized with the availability of an ISBN # and its publishing in English language by a foreign expert (his dignity is recognized, but critical view is our right). In my discussion Abu Mikhnaf is one of primary sources per norm of social science (history).
When evaluating primary or secondary sources, the very basis warrants to know:
Thus the reliability of an scholar ( Wilferd Madelung ) belonging to a belated period (20th century) depending on single source of tenth century does not sense to overrule the very old primary source of 8th century which is not only supported by millions of naqvis/naqavis of the world (particularly the sub-continent) but also evident from the various published (secondary) sources e.g. Gulzar-e-Naqi (Riaz ulnasab), compiled with the help of 38 books annexing 40 pedigrees, by a family member of Ali Naqi Naqvi . The writer belongs to well educated family, his two elder brothers were college principals in colleges of Punjab. Among his brothers Dr. Sohail Bukhari was an authority in Urdu Literature in his time besides being an author for Punjab Text Books for school and colleges.
In view of above discussion the section which provides explanation to the confusion in numbering and names of sons should remain in the main article for research and reference, in terms of EN-WP being the tertiary source. Nannadeem ( talk) 18:01, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
According to general rule, no primary source can be deleted. Acceptance or rejection is discussed in secondary source and comments/explanations provided therein are evaluated by groups and schools. However a primary sources may or may not be a truth e.g. the theory of 04 elements (air, water, fire and sand) is classic primary source, rejected in secondary sources of the modern era. Thus, treaty of Hasan-Muawiya and primary sources relating to the event can be discussed in secondary sources per Doctrine of Repugnancy in view of conflicts and wars between Ali & Muawiya and our stance of silence with respect to events of that time was force meajure. Battle of Karbala is the final proof under retrospective doctrine of history which also validates our strategy for avoidance of bloodshed and provision of guidance with no greed for dominance. In this scinerio a number of events were recorded as primary source, many of these events contradict to each other, which is a bone of contest in our secondary sources. Nannadeem ( talk) 20:13, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
@ user:3hunna I think "Internet Meme" section should not be placed in the page in order to avoid like stories whether retrospective or prospective. Nannadeem ( talk) 13:32, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hello Albertatiran. This article could be the next good article. I would work on it while you preparing the draft. Ghazaalch ( talk) 06:24, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
The caliph is said to have imposed the penalty of death by flagellation on anyone who insulted the companions or the wives of the prophet.[37]
prevented Alids from answering to religious inquiries or accepting charitable gifts, thus pushing them into poverty.[45]Because receiving charity ( sadaqa) was forbidden for Sayyids or Alids who are decedents of the prophet.
al-Mutawakkil temporarily forbade his staff from serving al-Hadi, advised by a relative nicknamed Harisa, who warned the caliph about the good name of al-Hadi in the court. The report has a miraculous ending with the caliph abandoning his policy after an unexpected breeze blew the curtains open for al-Hadi instead of the guards.[86]Because it is not clear how serving Hadi will raise his good name. This report from wiki-Farsi seems more plausible: "al-Hadi managed to answer all of Yahya's questions. It was after that that Yahya asked Mutawakkul to refrain from asking more questions from Hadi, because this would reveal his knowledge and strengthen the Rafizi (Shiites) among the people."
"...to prove that they do not harm true descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib".Again linking "true descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib" to " Alids" is not exact. I am sure that the true descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib here are not the same as "all" the Alids, but it refers to some distinguished ones such as Zaynab, Abbas, and the Shia imams. Plus, we don't need to quote the exact words of Madelung which are misleading to readers.
By the way, there is no Islamica article concerning al-Hadi in Persian. Ghazaalch ( talk) 10:01, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello Cplakidas! Hope all is well! Ghazaalch and I have been working on this article for some time and we finally feel that it's ready now for the nomination. We also carefully took into account your earlier comments on Muhammad al-Jawad but it's still possible that we have missed some things. (In that case, sorry!) We hope that you would be available to review Ali al-Hadi. Thank you! Albertatiran ( talk) 09:36, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
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Will gladly take this on, but it will be likely a few days before I can devote enough time. Constantine ✍ 16:03, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
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To save time, I will be doing some minor copyedits straight away. Feel free to challenge them if they appear unreasonable.
tenth Imam in Twelver Shia
As with most of his predecessors, he kept aloof from politics until he was summoned from his hometown of Medina around 848 CE to the capital Samarra...This was initially linked to political quietism in Islam but I removed the link because of a comment I received from Ghazaalch to the effect that there is evidence the Shia Imams didn't revolt because they didn't have enough support. That is, they were forced to withdraw from politics rather than the article's description of
the religiously-motivated withdrawal from political affairs or skepticism that mere mortals can establish a true Islamic government.Here is also a similar statement from our article on Ja'far al-Sadiq, the sixth Shia Imam.
In contrast, similar to his father and his grandfather, al-Sadiq adopted a quiescent attitude and kept aloof from politics. He viewed the imamate and caliphate as separate institutions until such time that God would make the Imam victorious.The emphasis is mine.
Done! This comment was also applied to Muhammad al-Jawad.
known for his hostility towards Shias.As for 'Shiite', Google Dictionary defines 'Shia' as both a noun (to describe an adherent) and an adjective. I highly prefer 'Shia' over 'Shiite' for obvious reasons and the former is becoming increasingly more common on Wikipedia. With that in mind, I found no instances in the article where the distinction between 'Shia' (as the religion) and 'Shias' (its adherents) is unclear.
religious affairs of the Shia community.
the al-Askari shrine in Samarra, located in modern-day Iraq, houses...
He was also known as al-Mutawakkil (Arabic: المتوكل على الله, lit. 'he who relies on God'), but this title was perhaps rarely used to avoid confusion with the Abbasid caliph al-Mutawakkil.
sometime after 830...
As for his birthplace, the Shia-leaning historian al-Mas'udi (d. 956) differs from the prevalent view. Ithbat al-wassiya, a collective biography of the Shia Imams attributed to him, reports that...
...his father al-Jawad and his wife Umm al-Fadl traveled to...
After the death of his father, the young Ali was likely kept by the Abbasids under the guardianship of caretakers hostile to the Shia cause.
Muhammad ibn Faraj, a trusted associate of the Imams,...specifically refers to the Shia Imams contemporary to Muhammad. We have changed this to
Muhammad ibn Faraj, a trusted associate of the previous Shia Imams,...Elsewhere in the article, there are currently no instances where 'Imam' does not refer to one of the Twelve Imams.
Bihar, a seventeenth-century collection of Shia hadiths...
hostility to Shias.
The Shia community was relatively free in this period, and the early historian Abu al-Faraj al-Isfahani (d. 967) reports that stipends were given to the Alids, that is, the descendants of Ali ibn Abi Talib (d. 661), the first Shia Imam.
An account by Ibrahim ibn Mahziyar al-Ahwazi describes a visit to Ali al-Hadi in 228 AH (842-3) to deliver some goods, accompanied by his brother Ali. The two brothers were trusted associates of al-Jawad.
An account in Ithbat from this period might show the political awareness of the young Ali, even though it has been given a miraculous aspect in some other sources. This account is dated 232 AH (846-7) and narrated by a servant in the court of al-Wathiq, named Khayran al-Khadim, whom Ali al-Hadi inquires about the caliph's health. Khayran tells him that al-Wathiq is dying, adding that the general view is that he would be succeeded by his son. Ali, however, correctly predicts the accession of the caliph's brother Ja'far al-Mutawakkil (r. 847–861).
First sections, will do the rest tomorrow. Constantine ✍ 20:34, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
The caliph is said to have imposed the penalty of death by flagellation on anyone who defamed the companions or the wives of the prophet, some of whom are viewed negatively in Shia.
The caliph also created a new army, known as Shakiriyya, which recruited from anti-Alid areas, such as Syria, al-Jazira (Upper Mesopotamia), al-Jabal, Hejaz, and from the Abna, a pro-Abbasid ethnic group.
It was during the caliphate of al-Mutawakkil that the governor of Medina, Abd Allah ibn Muhammad, wrote to the caliph and warned him about the subversive activities of al-Hadi, claiming that he had concealed arms and books for his followers. Alternatively, the Ithbat attributes the affair to Burahya al-Abbasi, the leader of prayers in Medina, who may have advised the caliph to remove al-Hadi from the city because he was allegedly agitating against the caliph.
...but requested that he with his family relocate to the new Abbasid capital of Samarra, a garrison town where the Turkish guards were stationed, north of Baghdad.
...and is recorded in Kitab al-Irshad and Kitab al-Kafi, a comprehensive collection of Shia hadiths by the prominent Twelver scholar Muhammad ibn Ya'qub al-Kulayni (d. 941).
When al-Hadi approached Baghdad, people gathered to see him and he was received warmly by the governor, Ishaq ibn Ibrahim al-Tahiri, who rode out of the city to welcome him.
More specifically, his residence was in the center of the city on Abi Ahmad street.
Also in Egypt, a follower of al-Hadi by the name of Muhammad ibn Hajar was killed and the estate of another follower, Saif ibn al-Layth, was confiscated by the ruler, according to al-Kulayni.
A similar tradition is ascribed to al-Rida, the eighth of the Twelve Imams,...
The funeral prayer is said to have been led by al-Muwaffaq (d. 891), a brother of the caliph.
More recently, the complex was rebuilt in 1868-9 at the request of Naser al-Din Shah Qajar (r. 1848–1896), ruler of Persia and a Twelver, and the golden dome was added in 1905.
In addition to al-Hadi, the shrine also houses the tombs of his son, Hasan al-Askari...
As an important destination for Shia pilgrimage, the shrine was bombed in February 2006 and badly damaged. Another attack on 13 June 2007 destroyed the two minarets of the shrine. Iraqi authorities hold the Sunni extremist group al-Qaeda responsible for both attacks.
The historian Dwight M. Donaldson...
Will do the remainder tomorrow. Constantine ✍ 20:12, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
As with his father, Ali al-Hadi was still a minor when he succeeded to the imamate at the age of about seven. Thanks to the precedent of al-Jawad, however, the imamate of Ali was widely accepted without much demur,...
For the Muslim jurist and academic Hoessin Modarresi, the account of his succession suggests that the seniority of Ali over his brother was not sufficient and the Shia community had to be convinced that Ali was directly appointed by his father.
...both about occultation, which is the Twelver belief that al-Askari has a son Muhammad, who has been concealed from the public since 874 and would return as the eschatological Mahdi at the end of time.
Among others, multiple accounts in Ithbat and Dala'il al-im'ama show Ali supernaturally alert the very moment his father died.
Also dated 861, the biographical al-Khara'ij by the Twelver scholar Qutb al-Din al-Rawandi (d. 1178) similarly reports a house arrest of al-Hadi under Sa'id al-Hajib, who was allegedly ordered to kill the Imam. This time a visitor finds al-Hadi seated next to an open grave in his house but is reassured by him that he would not be harmed because al-Mutawakkil would die shortly.
Bihar reports that al-Mutawakkil temporarily forbade his staff from serving al-Hadi, advised by a relative nicknamed Harisa, who warned the caliph that this was boosting the political image of al-Hadi among people. The report has a miraculous ending with the caliph abandoning his policy after an unexpected breeze blew the curtains open for al-Hadi instead of the guards.
Ali al-Hadi is also credited in Twelver sources with predicting the death of al-Mutawakkil, who had either imprisoned or humiliated al-Hadi.) But I also have to disagree with the proposal that the miraculous reports are fabricated. True, some of them are exaggerated. Still, they can't be ignored. From our article:
Wardrop stresses that, while many of these reports might be exaggerated, they are likely based on truth and unwise to ignore [in the bio].Her view (very roughly) is that it was probably difficult for Shias to see their imam defenseless against the tyrant of his time and so some historical accounts were probably embellished with miraculous details to show that the tyrant gets his fair share already in this world. That is to say that the few miraculous accounts in the bio are not totally out of place. On a more personal note, I don't find many of these attributed miracles difficult to believe, like occasionally predicting the future, speaking multiple languages, or showing a certain vision to others. Similar deeds are commonly attributed to Muslim saints.
Still, some considered al-Hadi to be the last Imam, and Hasan is said to have written to Imamite figures across the Abbasid empire to dispel their doubts about his imamate.
At the same time, some followers of Faris ibn Hatim claimed that the successor of al-Hadi was his son Muhammad, who appointed his brother as the next Imam before his death during the lifetime of al-Hadi. They accordingly accepted the imamate of Ja'far instead of al-Askari. This was apparently an act of defiance to al-Askari, who had sided with his father al-Hadi when he excommunicated his erstwhile agent Faris for embezzling religious dues and openly inciting against him.
Faris ibn Hatim ibn Mahawayh al-Qazvini was initially a representative of al-Hadi and his intermediary with the Imamites living in the Jibal (lit. 'mountains'), the region encompassing the central and western parts of modern-day Iran. Faris was involved in a dispute with Ali ibn Ja'far around 248 AH (862) and was consequently banned by al-Hadi from receiving alms on his behalf. He continued to do so, however, without forwarding them to al-Hadi, who excommunicated Faris in 250 AH (864) for embezzling religious dues. Later when Faris continued to openly incite against al-Hadi, the latter called for his death, and he was indeed assassinated during the imamate of Hasan al-Askari.
One of the many such accounts about al-Hadi is narrated by Ibrahim ibn Mahziyar, who describes a meeting with a young al-Hadi in 228 AH (842-3)...
@ Albertatiran and Ghazaalch: A very comprehensive article, very well referenced and well written. I worry a bit about overloading the proverbial 'average reader' with information, but I cannot fault your effort here, the transformation of this article is spectacular. Constantine ✍ 21:22, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
The caliph also dismissed officials suspected of Shia sympathies, including the governor of Saymara and Sirawan in the province of Jibal.
al-Irshad, which is considered reliable and unexaggerated by most Shias.
In response, the caliph assured al-Hadi of his highest regard for him but...--->
The caliph responded respectfully but...
...Ishaq ibn Ibrahim al-Tahiri, who rode out of the city to welcome him.--->
...Ishaq ibn Ibrahim al-Tahiri, who welcomed them outside the city.
...but assigned a house for his residence--->
...but assigned a house for him.
...as he liked the quality of its water and air--->
...as he liked its good water and air.
A theological treatise on free will and some other short texts are ascribed to al-Hadi...--->
A theological treatise on free will and various short texts are attributed to al-Hadi...
In the next five years, Ali al-Hadi successfully established contact with representatives from several regions.
but the last author believes that al-Hadi sent and received his messages with secrecy under the watchful eyes of the caliph.
That's it. There's a couple of minor issues outstanding, but I am satisfied that the article fulfils the GA criteria. Once the minor issues are done, I will promote it. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 14:29, 30 April 2023 (UTC) @ Albertatiran and Ghazaalch: as an aside, and unrelated to this GA process, you might want to submit your articles to the WP:GOCE process. It can do wonders for prose quality, style, and tone. Constantine ✍ 18:58, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 11:49, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Improved to Good Article status by Cplakidas ( talk) and Albertatiran ( talk) and Ghazaalch ( talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke ( talk) at 00:52, 18 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ali al-Hadi; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.