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shouldnt their be a section for Egypt's contribution in the War, with Gamal Abdel Nasser sending forces and aid to the Algerian Liberation movements!!!
Arab League User ( talk) 13:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I think there is subjective and unverified material in this portion of the Algerian War article that should be either clearly sourced or deleted. In fact I had deleted the passages in question myself, only to see them re-inserted repeatedly.
The question is obviously a very emotional one, with strongly held views on all sides.
The passages I bring into question here are those which declare that the French government had not anticipated a mass exodus of over one million citizens from Algeria to Metropolitan France in a matter of months. This lack of anticipation is offered as the reason many hundreds of thousands of people were left indigent and homeless for long periods after their arrival in France.
There is a long and very well documented history of animosity between the pieds-noirs community and General DeGaulle and governments headed by him. This animosity is made reference to in many other articles here on Wikipedia, with many of those articles offering multiple objective sources.
There was quite significant support among pieds-noirs for the Vichy government in the early years of World War 11.
The pieds-noirs community and those French officers supporting their cause offered strong support for the return of DeGaulle in 1958, with the clear understanding that his return to power would prevent the splitting of Metropolitan France, of which Algeria was then a part.
When DeGaulle shifted his position on this issue there was an enormous sense of betrayal felt by pieds-noirs and those who supported their position.
This sense of betrayal manifested itself in many ways cited right on the Wikipedia page I am referring to. Uprisings, attempted coups, several attempted assasination attempts on the life of DeGaulle, all culminating in an extraordinary campaign of terrorism directed at the institutions and personnel of the French state in Algeria.
It is very reasonable considering all of this that the French government would by 1962 have had a quite negative view of the pieds-noirs community and that the shocking treatment of them upon their arrival in France was deliberate and not because of a lack of anticipation that nearly all of them would flee.
The question is a difficult one, because it is one of what went on in peoples minds, rather than what happened. We all seem to agree there was no planning for the arrival of over one million people, but how do we know what government ministers were thinking and feeling when plans to receive pieds-noirs in France were being drawn up?
The only source cited in the pieds-noirs paragraph is INA.fr, which receives funding from the French government. Why should Wikipedia repeat what is essentially the French government position? If there is independent information, let's see it. otherwise I think the passage does not belong here. Parnellg ( talk) 00:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
"It was a period of guerrilla strikes, maquis fighting, terrorism against civilians on both sides, and riots between the French army, the European-Algerians (Catholics & Jews)—or the "colons" as they were called by the FLN"
First, this conflict was absolutly not a religiopus one. It was not about catholic but about French people. What the fuck is the catholicism doing here? In an other hand, reading this article, you have the impression that the jews had great importance in the war. But it was NOT a confessional conflict but a national one. Not about catholics, not about jewish, but about former Algerian, and French colons.
There is no "pieds noirs" in Algeria anymore, but lot of jews stayed. They stayed because they were here before the French invasion. The jews who left were the french jews: they don't left because they were jews but because they were french.
Secondly, this last paragraph about Israel and the Palestine is, I am sorry, completely creazy. There is absolutely no link between theses two conflicts. The Algerian one was a colonial war in which people were fighting invadors from an other country, the Israeli-Palestinian one is about two country on the same land, with problems of recognition and territory. You are trying to associate them, because French action in Algeria was absolutly indéfendable. So, stop your propaganda, and clean up this article.
I was told yesterday that wikipedia had serious problems about the actual mid-oriental conflict; I begin to understand why.
Palestinians, even more than other Arabs, followed the Algerian War of Independence with sympathy and regarded its victorious conclusion as a precedent applicable to their own liberation struggle. Following 1967, the efforts of Yasser Arafat's PLO to start a guerrilla campaign in the newly-occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip were consciously inspired by the Algerian experience. Later, in periods of extreme hardship for the Palestinian population there was frequent mention of the extreme sacrifices which the Algerians had to make and which were ultimately vindicated by the achievement of independence.
The Algerian War entered the internal Israeli political and military discourse following the outbreak of the First Intifada in 1987. When Israeli forces started using harsh measures in an effort to break the Palestinian uprising, peace groups and left-wing parliamentarians pointed to the French Army's experience in Algeria as proving the futily of such methods. The film The Battle of Algiers, made back in 1966, was shown in Israel for the first time during the Intifada years, drawing considerable public attention and with critics often drawing explicit parallels with Israel's treatment of the Palestinians.
At the same time, Alistair Horne's book on the Algerian war was published in Hebrew translation, followed by the work of Raymond Aron. The IDF high command took the decision to distribute copies of Horne's book to all senior officers, a decision sharply criticized by right-wing parties as "defeatist".
Since the idea of evacuating Israeli settlers came on the Israeli public agenda following the Oslo Agreements, the evacuation of the Pieds-noirs is being frequently cited as a precedent.
For their part, the settlers and their political supporters deny the validity of the comparison, on the grounds that Algeria is separated from France by the Mediterranean while Israel and the West Bank are territorially contiguous, and also that Jews have a Biblical and Historical claim over the territory as the French in Algeria did not have. The main difference between the situations is that the French in Algeria still saw themselves as French and their motherland in France, while Jews are connected to Israel not through colonization but through their attachment to Israel itself. Israel will argue that it's exactly the opposite — the Arabs are the historical colonial power who seized the land of the indigenous people of the land of Israel. Israel argues that the Jews, continuously living in Palestine, are in no way strangers to the land.
During the public debate on the 2005 Gaza Disengagement, some well-known columnists criticized Ariel Sharon's decision to have each and every settler physically removed by army or police, and recommended instead the "de Gaulle Method" — i.e., withdrawing the army and leaving to the settlers the choice of remaining in the Gaza Strip or returning to Israel under their own power. The suggestion was, however, rejected out of hand by the Sharon Government.
At present, the history of the Algerian War continues to be frequently invoked in the ongoing political debate in Israel, with the prospect of further West Bank withdrawal and settlement evacuation high on the public agenda."
The parallel beetween algeria war and israelian-palestianian conflict does not respect the NPOV. Why? Because it would means that Israel is a stolen country. Everyone agree that Algeria WAS a stolen land (colonization is about solen land), while saying that Israel in itself is a stolen land is an ideological POV. Palestinian said they were doing the same than Algerian people because Algerian were anyway the "good ones" in the independance war. Then, it shouldn't be put as an evidence here. Sorry for my english, I'm actually French ;)
I am sorry but you dont have a point here. I dont understand how you can state that Algeria was a land stolen by the French. Given this, you have to follow with saying that United States is a land stolen by some colons to indian indigen people.
This is, in fact, the standard leftist position in the US-it is virtually uncontested in the educational system and the bulk of the media. What has to be remembered is that peoples have been migrating to lands occupied by others since long before there was recorded history. Conquest of one people by another is normal in the human species. A fairly recent example is the conquest of what is now South Africa by the Europeans and the Bantu. Both the Europeans and the Bantu displaced the indigenous Khoisan/Hottentot/Bushman peoples. Once the Europeans ruled South Africa, and now the Bantu rule it. Thus South Africa is also "stolen" land. Falange ( talk) 16:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
There is a discrepancy in the section "Beginning of Hostilies". It states that "While Messali Hadj had radicalized by forming the FLN, Ferhat Abbas maintained a more moderate, electoral strategy". Massali Hadj did not create the FLN but in fact was the leader of the oppositional party the Mouvement National Algérien (MNA) which rivaled the FLN and fought with them throughout the war. In the article about the FLN it says,
These two statements are oppositional and should be rectified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.212.153.206 ( talk) 20:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
i think this sentence is stupid "It left long-standing scars in French society, and still affects present-day France". what is it supposed to mean? didn't let it scars in algeria with x10 more dead than in france? each war let scars everywhere in the world since ever. this is stupid it should be removed. Paris By Night 18:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
didn't let it scars in algeria with x10 more dead than in france? this is clearly not an honorable fact to boast of. Human misery should not be the subject of pride, on both sides. I saw some years earlier, on france 3, old french veterans who participated in the war shaking with trauma and tormented by deep psychological troubles, I sympathized with them notwithstanding my global view of the events.-- Sayih ( talk) 11:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
each war let scars everywhere in the world since ever. this is stupid it should be removed. Essentially you are saying that because this is a universal truth, it is therefore "stupid"? It is true that this war has shaped the identity of Algeria, in the workings of their politics, their relationship with France and the rest of the Maghreb. I don't understand how something being true not only in this country but throughout conflicts all over the world makes it stupid? It is true and it shouldn't be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.212.153.206 ( talk) 20:24, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
This war let scars on both country because 1/ this war had never been declared so the laws of war hadn't been respected by all the sides. 2/ Unlike in indochina, it interested very much france: The soldiers were conscript (in indochina, the french political learders never engaged conscripts because nobody in france understood that war) and this war dramatically influence france political life. 3/ It let scars on the pieds-noirs and their descents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clems78 ( talk • contribs) 19:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
What was this war known as in Arabic? Or at least, what did the Algerians call it? Le Anh-Huy ( talk) 00:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
The Setif massacre is generally regarded as a key moment--Horne's numbers are used here as they are in the Setif article, but a lot more people believe the higher 20,000-45,000 toll. It's terribly hard to know, since these numbers are used for propaganda, but perhaps the article should not merely assert Horne's numbers to be factual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.93.238 ( talk) 17:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I think the word "terrorist" and "terrorism" should not be used in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.166.33.242 ( talk) 23:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
he is just a self-admitted Troskyist. [1] I don't like how he is outspoken in this article. see for yourselves. Cliché Online ( talk) 09:51, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Although the article states that both sides made extensive use of torture, only the torture of the FLN is described graphically. This seems somewhat biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.7.95 ( talk) 17:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved to Algerian War, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 13:50, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I would like to move this article to Algerian War, because it is the most common name in English for the war. Only a minority uses Algerian War of Independence. Carl Logan 08:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The opening sentence calls it " Algeria War." Is it that or " Algerian War?" Please present further arguments for this move. Algeria War is common but it is also somewhat vague and, if unattested, may be recentism. — AjaxSmack 01:10, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
If you had bothered to check the edit history of the article you would have seen that the “Algeria War” was added yesterday by Paris By Night, a French user, that probably just inserted the direct translation of the French name for the war: “Guerre d'Algérie”.
A couple of books that uses the name “Algerian War” (they are many more):
Also a goggle search for “Algerian War” gets 207,000 hits, while a search for “Algerian War of Independence” only gets 49,100. Although a search of the “Algerian War” will of course also get hits on the sites using the “Algerian War of Independence”, so if we subtract the hits for the second from the first (207,000-49,100=157,900) the “Algerian War still has three times the hits of the “Algerian War of Independence”. Carl Logan 07:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
^Propaganda —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.80.155 ( talk) 14:02, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
There is something wrong about the surnames of key player Guy Mollet is referred to simply as Guy an De Gaulle referred to as De. I do not feel expert enough about liks to change this buts someone should. 14 May 2009 80.169.162.100 ( talk) 09:31, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
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@ chapter 1 in the article it says "On the pretext of a slight to their consul"... of a slight what? offense? Does anyone has the book where this line is taken from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Funraiser ( talk • contribs) 00:09, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
There has been discussion on the talk page of the Setif massacre article whether the title should be changed to Setif genocide. I think that the respective arguments have been set out clearly and without POV bias. As the Setif events are generally seen as a major factor in the events leading up to the Algerian War of 1954-62, contributors to and viewers of the latter article are likely to be well placed to consider whether "massacre" or "genocide" is the appropriate description to use. Grateful if views could be expressed on the Setif massacre discussion page. Buistr ( talk) 04:41, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
It is not from 1954, it is the first minute of a 20 minute American newsreel from 1961. The whole newsreel can be found on youtube. Maybe you should change the description to "Depiction of Algeria in 1954 prior to the war of independence". Or something like that. Cbmccarthy ( talk) 11:20, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
The use of torture by the FLN is not mentioned, there's only one occurence about the Harki, while the term refers to the French army. However torture was in use in both sides, this was war. It's like the use of torture is not acceptable from the French but is acceptable from the independists (same happened with the US in Vietnam and Irak). Godard's 1960 " Le Petit Soldat" (which was censored until the war ended) depicts the use of torture in both sides as well. The current non-neutral treatment of torture must be fixed. Shame On You 14:59, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Nelson Mandela was in Algeria during that war. At least that's what I've read. Should this be included in the article.-- 196.207.47.60 ( talk) 11:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
there is a lot of bias here, first the user shame on you is fron france, the second, the algerians only was 1500000 dead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyu 157 ( talk • contribs) 12:32, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
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shouldnt their be a section for Egypt's contribution in the War, with Gamal Abdel Nasser sending forces and aid to the Algerian Liberation movements!!!
Arab League User ( talk) 13:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I think there is subjective and unverified material in this portion of the Algerian War article that should be either clearly sourced or deleted. In fact I had deleted the passages in question myself, only to see them re-inserted repeatedly.
The question is obviously a very emotional one, with strongly held views on all sides.
The passages I bring into question here are those which declare that the French government had not anticipated a mass exodus of over one million citizens from Algeria to Metropolitan France in a matter of months. This lack of anticipation is offered as the reason many hundreds of thousands of people were left indigent and homeless for long periods after their arrival in France.
There is a long and very well documented history of animosity between the pieds-noirs community and General DeGaulle and governments headed by him. This animosity is made reference to in many other articles here on Wikipedia, with many of those articles offering multiple objective sources.
There was quite significant support among pieds-noirs for the Vichy government in the early years of World War 11.
The pieds-noirs community and those French officers supporting their cause offered strong support for the return of DeGaulle in 1958, with the clear understanding that his return to power would prevent the splitting of Metropolitan France, of which Algeria was then a part.
When DeGaulle shifted his position on this issue there was an enormous sense of betrayal felt by pieds-noirs and those who supported their position.
This sense of betrayal manifested itself in many ways cited right on the Wikipedia page I am referring to. Uprisings, attempted coups, several attempted assasination attempts on the life of DeGaulle, all culminating in an extraordinary campaign of terrorism directed at the institutions and personnel of the French state in Algeria.
It is very reasonable considering all of this that the French government would by 1962 have had a quite negative view of the pieds-noirs community and that the shocking treatment of them upon their arrival in France was deliberate and not because of a lack of anticipation that nearly all of them would flee.
The question is a difficult one, because it is one of what went on in peoples minds, rather than what happened. We all seem to agree there was no planning for the arrival of over one million people, but how do we know what government ministers were thinking and feeling when plans to receive pieds-noirs in France were being drawn up?
The only source cited in the pieds-noirs paragraph is INA.fr, which receives funding from the French government. Why should Wikipedia repeat what is essentially the French government position? If there is independent information, let's see it. otherwise I think the passage does not belong here. Parnellg ( talk) 00:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
"It was a period of guerrilla strikes, maquis fighting, terrorism against civilians on both sides, and riots between the French army, the European-Algerians (Catholics & Jews)—or the "colons" as they were called by the FLN"
First, this conflict was absolutly not a religiopus one. It was not about catholic but about French people. What the fuck is the catholicism doing here? In an other hand, reading this article, you have the impression that the jews had great importance in the war. But it was NOT a confessional conflict but a national one. Not about catholics, not about jewish, but about former Algerian, and French colons.
There is no "pieds noirs" in Algeria anymore, but lot of jews stayed. They stayed because they were here before the French invasion. The jews who left were the french jews: they don't left because they were jews but because they were french.
Secondly, this last paragraph about Israel and the Palestine is, I am sorry, completely creazy. There is absolutely no link between theses two conflicts. The Algerian one was a colonial war in which people were fighting invadors from an other country, the Israeli-Palestinian one is about two country on the same land, with problems of recognition and territory. You are trying to associate them, because French action in Algeria was absolutly indéfendable. So, stop your propaganda, and clean up this article.
I was told yesterday that wikipedia had serious problems about the actual mid-oriental conflict; I begin to understand why.
Palestinians, even more than other Arabs, followed the Algerian War of Independence with sympathy and regarded its victorious conclusion as a precedent applicable to their own liberation struggle. Following 1967, the efforts of Yasser Arafat's PLO to start a guerrilla campaign in the newly-occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip were consciously inspired by the Algerian experience. Later, in periods of extreme hardship for the Palestinian population there was frequent mention of the extreme sacrifices which the Algerians had to make and which were ultimately vindicated by the achievement of independence.
The Algerian War entered the internal Israeli political and military discourse following the outbreak of the First Intifada in 1987. When Israeli forces started using harsh measures in an effort to break the Palestinian uprising, peace groups and left-wing parliamentarians pointed to the French Army's experience in Algeria as proving the futily of such methods. The film The Battle of Algiers, made back in 1966, was shown in Israel for the first time during the Intifada years, drawing considerable public attention and with critics often drawing explicit parallels with Israel's treatment of the Palestinians.
At the same time, Alistair Horne's book on the Algerian war was published in Hebrew translation, followed by the work of Raymond Aron. The IDF high command took the decision to distribute copies of Horne's book to all senior officers, a decision sharply criticized by right-wing parties as "defeatist".
Since the idea of evacuating Israeli settlers came on the Israeli public agenda following the Oslo Agreements, the evacuation of the Pieds-noirs is being frequently cited as a precedent.
For their part, the settlers and their political supporters deny the validity of the comparison, on the grounds that Algeria is separated from France by the Mediterranean while Israel and the West Bank are territorially contiguous, and also that Jews have a Biblical and Historical claim over the territory as the French in Algeria did not have. The main difference between the situations is that the French in Algeria still saw themselves as French and their motherland in France, while Jews are connected to Israel not through colonization but through their attachment to Israel itself. Israel will argue that it's exactly the opposite — the Arabs are the historical colonial power who seized the land of the indigenous people of the land of Israel. Israel argues that the Jews, continuously living in Palestine, are in no way strangers to the land.
During the public debate on the 2005 Gaza Disengagement, some well-known columnists criticized Ariel Sharon's decision to have each and every settler physically removed by army or police, and recommended instead the "de Gaulle Method" — i.e., withdrawing the army and leaving to the settlers the choice of remaining in the Gaza Strip or returning to Israel under their own power. The suggestion was, however, rejected out of hand by the Sharon Government.
At present, the history of the Algerian War continues to be frequently invoked in the ongoing political debate in Israel, with the prospect of further West Bank withdrawal and settlement evacuation high on the public agenda."
The parallel beetween algeria war and israelian-palestianian conflict does not respect the NPOV. Why? Because it would means that Israel is a stolen country. Everyone agree that Algeria WAS a stolen land (colonization is about solen land), while saying that Israel in itself is a stolen land is an ideological POV. Palestinian said they were doing the same than Algerian people because Algerian were anyway the "good ones" in the independance war. Then, it shouldn't be put as an evidence here. Sorry for my english, I'm actually French ;)
I am sorry but you dont have a point here. I dont understand how you can state that Algeria was a land stolen by the French. Given this, you have to follow with saying that United States is a land stolen by some colons to indian indigen people.
This is, in fact, the standard leftist position in the US-it is virtually uncontested in the educational system and the bulk of the media. What has to be remembered is that peoples have been migrating to lands occupied by others since long before there was recorded history. Conquest of one people by another is normal in the human species. A fairly recent example is the conquest of what is now South Africa by the Europeans and the Bantu. Both the Europeans and the Bantu displaced the indigenous Khoisan/Hottentot/Bushman peoples. Once the Europeans ruled South Africa, and now the Bantu rule it. Thus South Africa is also "stolen" land. Falange ( talk) 16:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
There is a discrepancy in the section "Beginning of Hostilies". It states that "While Messali Hadj had radicalized by forming the FLN, Ferhat Abbas maintained a more moderate, electoral strategy". Massali Hadj did not create the FLN but in fact was the leader of the oppositional party the Mouvement National Algérien (MNA) which rivaled the FLN and fought with them throughout the war. In the article about the FLN it says,
These two statements are oppositional and should be rectified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.212.153.206 ( talk) 20:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
i think this sentence is stupid "It left long-standing scars in French society, and still affects present-day France". what is it supposed to mean? didn't let it scars in algeria with x10 more dead than in france? each war let scars everywhere in the world since ever. this is stupid it should be removed. Paris By Night 18:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
didn't let it scars in algeria with x10 more dead than in france? this is clearly not an honorable fact to boast of. Human misery should not be the subject of pride, on both sides. I saw some years earlier, on france 3, old french veterans who participated in the war shaking with trauma and tormented by deep psychological troubles, I sympathized with them notwithstanding my global view of the events.-- Sayih ( talk) 11:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
each war let scars everywhere in the world since ever. this is stupid it should be removed. Essentially you are saying that because this is a universal truth, it is therefore "stupid"? It is true that this war has shaped the identity of Algeria, in the workings of their politics, their relationship with France and the rest of the Maghreb. I don't understand how something being true not only in this country but throughout conflicts all over the world makes it stupid? It is true and it shouldn't be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.212.153.206 ( talk) 20:24, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
This war let scars on both country because 1/ this war had never been declared so the laws of war hadn't been respected by all the sides. 2/ Unlike in indochina, it interested very much france: The soldiers were conscript (in indochina, the french political learders never engaged conscripts because nobody in france understood that war) and this war dramatically influence france political life. 3/ It let scars on the pieds-noirs and their descents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clems78 ( talk • contribs) 19:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
What was this war known as in Arabic? Or at least, what did the Algerians call it? Le Anh-Huy ( talk) 00:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
The Setif massacre is generally regarded as a key moment--Horne's numbers are used here as they are in the Setif article, but a lot more people believe the higher 20,000-45,000 toll. It's terribly hard to know, since these numbers are used for propaganda, but perhaps the article should not merely assert Horne's numbers to be factual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.93.238 ( talk) 17:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
I think the word "terrorist" and "terrorism" should not be used in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.166.33.242 ( talk) 23:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
he is just a self-admitted Troskyist. [1] I don't like how he is outspoken in this article. see for yourselves. Cliché Online ( talk) 09:51, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Although the article states that both sides made extensive use of torture, only the torture of the FLN is described graphically. This seems somewhat biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.7.95 ( talk) 17:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved to Algerian War, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 13:50, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I would like to move this article to Algerian War, because it is the most common name in English for the war. Only a minority uses Algerian War of Independence. Carl Logan 08:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The opening sentence calls it " Algeria War." Is it that or " Algerian War?" Please present further arguments for this move. Algeria War is common but it is also somewhat vague and, if unattested, may be recentism. — AjaxSmack 01:10, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
If you had bothered to check the edit history of the article you would have seen that the “Algeria War” was added yesterday by Paris By Night, a French user, that probably just inserted the direct translation of the French name for the war: “Guerre d'Algérie”.
A couple of books that uses the name “Algerian War” (they are many more):
Also a goggle search for “Algerian War” gets 207,000 hits, while a search for “Algerian War of Independence” only gets 49,100. Although a search of the “Algerian War” will of course also get hits on the sites using the “Algerian War of Independence”, so if we subtract the hits for the second from the first (207,000-49,100=157,900) the “Algerian War still has three times the hits of the “Algerian War of Independence”. Carl Logan 07:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
^Propaganda —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.80.155 ( talk) 14:02, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
There is something wrong about the surnames of key player Guy Mollet is referred to simply as Guy an De Gaulle referred to as De. I do not feel expert enough about liks to change this buts someone should. 14 May 2009 80.169.162.100 ( talk) 09:31, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
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@ chapter 1 in the article it says "On the pretext of a slight to their consul"... of a slight what? offense? Does anyone has the book where this line is taken from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Funraiser ( talk • contribs) 00:09, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
There has been discussion on the talk page of the Setif massacre article whether the title should be changed to Setif genocide. I think that the respective arguments have been set out clearly and without POV bias. As the Setif events are generally seen as a major factor in the events leading up to the Algerian War of 1954-62, contributors to and viewers of the latter article are likely to be well placed to consider whether "massacre" or "genocide" is the appropriate description to use. Grateful if views could be expressed on the Setif massacre discussion page. Buistr ( talk) 04:41, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
It is not from 1954, it is the first minute of a 20 minute American newsreel from 1961. The whole newsreel can be found on youtube. Maybe you should change the description to "Depiction of Algeria in 1954 prior to the war of independence". Or something like that. Cbmccarthy ( talk) 11:20, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
The use of torture by the FLN is not mentioned, there's only one occurence about the Harki, while the term refers to the French army. However torture was in use in both sides, this was war. It's like the use of torture is not acceptable from the French but is acceptable from the independists (same happened with the US in Vietnam and Irak). Godard's 1960 " Le Petit Soldat" (which was censored until the war ended) depicts the use of torture in both sides as well. The current non-neutral treatment of torture must be fixed. Shame On You 14:59, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Nelson Mandela was in Algeria during that war. At least that's what I've read. Should this be included in the article.-- 196.207.47.60 ( talk) 11:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
there is a lot of bias here, first the user shame on you is fron france, the second, the algerians only was 1500000 dead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyu 157 ( talk • contribs) 12:32, 21 September 2012 (UTC)