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Just re-read Master and Commander, spurred me to flesh out the details in this article a bit. Only online reference I could find is kinda dodgy, anyone have anything more firm? I'm sure the facts are right, but it would be nice to have better references. Burtonpe 17:43, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
In fact, the English fleet lost the battle. Admiral Saumarez wanted to make a battle as the battle of Aboukir, but did not consider spanish gunboats and the coastal artillery batteries that to turn the battle a disaster for the British.
Ok, what do the French and Spanish call that battle that the British consider to be the Battle of Algeciras Bay Part 2? Dabbler 18:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
So what we have is a historical nomenclature difference which, admittedly, quite probably depends on a POV and the final result. However, using the British nomenclature in an English Wikipedia article is not POV, that is the way the battle(s) are named in the reference materials. Dabbler 19:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
This is the very first sentence of the article "The Battle of Algeciras Bay was in fact two separate battles between an allied French-Spanish fleet and the British near Gibraltar in July 1801." Reading the description, of the first battle, no one would conclude that it was a British victory. So I think that the issue is already addressed. However I have added an extra bit to the lead and changed the infobox. Dabbler 20:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Where do the "La Libre (?) 40 (Captain Proteau)" and "Le Vautour 14 (?) (Captain Kemel)" come from ? I have been unable to confirm involvement of any such ships with my bibliography... just curious. Rama 22:18, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
The German Article was separated in two battles, so there are two Articles. Would that not also usefull for this Article too??-- Wildcard81 ( talk) 15:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
The proper name for the bay in English is the Bay of Gibraltar. Shouldn't this be corrected in the article? -- Gibmetal 77 talk 20:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi all, just dropping a line here that over the nexy couple of weeks I will be working on expanding and redeveloping this article. My intention is to break it into three articles First Battle of Algeciras covering the events of 6 July, Second Battle of Algeciras covering 12 July and this article will become Algeciras campaign, covering all the events from Linois's departure from Toulon to the conclusion of the aftermath of the second battle (there will also be an order of battle). The reason for the split is for no other reason than to make sure that there is enough room to comfortably include the level of detail I intend without making the whole thing too cumbersome. I started this project back in 2010, but due to an 18 month Wikihiatus I'm only picking it up again now. If anyone has any comments regarding this plan then please do drop me a line. Regards-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 00:02, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
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1. were ultimately completely exonerated. Suggest - were completely exonerated
2. Accompanying the squadron were the frigates Libre and the Spanish Sabina and the French lugger Vautour. Suggest - Accompanying the squadron were the frigates Libre, the Spanish Sabina and the French lugger Vautour.
3. blazing wrecks in the darkness. Suggest - blazing wrecks
4. The both exploded. Suggest - They both exploded
5. although Superb had lost just 15 men wounded. Suggest - whilst Superb had just 15 men wounded
I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow you to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns.
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Just re-read Master and Commander, spurred me to flesh out the details in this article a bit. Only online reference I could find is kinda dodgy, anyone have anything more firm? I'm sure the facts are right, but it would be nice to have better references. Burtonpe 17:43, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
In fact, the English fleet lost the battle. Admiral Saumarez wanted to make a battle as the battle of Aboukir, but did not consider spanish gunboats and the coastal artillery batteries that to turn the battle a disaster for the British.
Ok, what do the French and Spanish call that battle that the British consider to be the Battle of Algeciras Bay Part 2? Dabbler 18:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
So what we have is a historical nomenclature difference which, admittedly, quite probably depends on a POV and the final result. However, using the British nomenclature in an English Wikipedia article is not POV, that is the way the battle(s) are named in the reference materials. Dabbler 19:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
This is the very first sentence of the article "The Battle of Algeciras Bay was in fact two separate battles between an allied French-Spanish fleet and the British near Gibraltar in July 1801." Reading the description, of the first battle, no one would conclude that it was a British victory. So I think that the issue is already addressed. However I have added an extra bit to the lead and changed the infobox. Dabbler 20:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Where do the "La Libre (?) 40 (Captain Proteau)" and "Le Vautour 14 (?) (Captain Kemel)" come from ? I have been unable to confirm involvement of any such ships with my bibliography... just curious. Rama 22:18, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
The German Article was separated in two battles, so there are two Articles. Would that not also usefull for this Article too??-- Wildcard81 ( talk) 15:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
The proper name for the bay in English is the Bay of Gibraltar. Shouldn't this be corrected in the article? -- Gibmetal 77 talk 20:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi all, just dropping a line here that over the nexy couple of weeks I will be working on expanding and redeveloping this article. My intention is to break it into three articles First Battle of Algeciras covering the events of 6 July, Second Battle of Algeciras covering 12 July and this article will become Algeciras campaign, covering all the events from Linois's departure from Toulon to the conclusion of the aftermath of the second battle (there will also be an order of battle). The reason for the split is for no other reason than to make sure that there is enough room to comfortably include the level of detail I intend without making the whole thing too cumbersome. I started this project back in 2010, but due to an 18 month Wikihiatus I'm only picking it up again now. If anyone has any comments regarding this plan then please do drop me a line. Regards-- Jackyd101 ( talk) 00:02, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
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1. were ultimately completely exonerated. Suggest - were completely exonerated
2. Accompanying the squadron were the frigates Libre and the Spanish Sabina and the French lugger Vautour. Suggest - Accompanying the squadron were the frigates Libre, the Spanish Sabina and the French lugger Vautour.
3. blazing wrecks in the darkness. Suggest - blazing wrecks
4. The both exploded. Suggest - They both exploded
5. although Superb had lost just 15 men wounded. Suggest - whilst Superb had just 15 men wounded
I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow you to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns.
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18:57, 9 May 2012 (UTC)